The Globe move, pointless?

[Phil Anderer]

I am getting tired of moaning about the Globe. Admittedly, at that first Coventry match I was little disappointed by it. Some parts weren't very tidy and seemed a bit rushed (I have gathered from here that that was due to PMG making overestimations on what he could build?) and the home end was a bit underwhelming. However, rather than making do and carrying on, trying to claim the ground and give it more of an atmosphere, people just bloody moaned. I remember people whinging about us not bringing over the North Stand and ridiculous things like that and to me, that pointless crappy moaning killing any atmosphere before it started combined with some evidently poor management of the '7 day a week' services/income streams has been what's killed the Globe.

Totally agree Joel. One of my biggest bugbears is the 'it's too far out of town' argument. It takes me & Mrs A 20 minutes to walk from the Palatine to the ground. 20 effin minutes! The argument that it's too far is for lazy ar$ed people who just can't be bothered and don't care about the football team. I'll agree the stadium isn't perfect, but it's what we've got so let's just make the most of it. I certainly wouldn't want to go back to using those disgusting portaloos at Christie Park.

[Posh]

detailed plans and pictures of a redeveloped christie park were knocking around just before we moved

Certainly were, a new stand along 2/3rd of the car wash side butting up as close as it could to the car wash. IIRC, it would replace the old main stand with changing rooms, offices, etc leaving the main stand free to be developed.

The plan was that if we were promoted to the Football League we'd move ground and if we didn't we would have stayed at CP and built a stand on the Car Wash side.

Agree with the comments that we are where we are and there's no point in constantly reminiscing. A lot of us miss the North Stand because it was superior to the Omega Holidays Stand. However, it is gone.

The reason people do look backwards is that there is no forward plan or even a list of clear priorities that would get people enthused that the Globe would be better. I've mentioned before that at a charity I'm a Trustee of, Lancaster Boys and Girls Club, we put together a priority list of all the things from the most simple to the most expensive we'd like to get done. We then ordered them in terms of priority - how important but also how easy to deliver. Amazingly once you start talking about them someone comes up with how to do it. Our gym needed refurbishing so we costed it and worked out what we'd like to do. We got chatting to a parent and next thing he worked with us on a grant for £9,000. Since then we've done about 20 things on the list.

Share a vision, aim high and it might possibly happen.

[George Dawes]

a lot of supporters just thought were getting an all seater stadium we could be proud of. and fit for purpose in the FL. instead a barmy last min 3rd tier idea, what came at the expense of that design of ground, I personally found/find it embarrassing when away fans come and laughed at our ground and what we paid for it.



I'm not buying this argument of a globle economic downturn and steel prices at the time,(I have a background and knowledge in this industry with being a shot blaster,) it's just an excuse. they were plenty of other steel suppliers who are competitive and always look to beat rivals with their prices.

instead of getting about 3 or 4 Estimatess for a new build football ground, and then sitting down and picking the best, it's as if we just went to Globe Construction, and spoke to nobody else.

[Seasider9601]

I personally found/find it embarrassing when away fans come and laughed at our ground and what we paid for it.

I've read online only this morning (during boredom at work) that Chesterfield's superb B2Net Stadium cost less to build than The Globe Arena....

[halftimeresults]

That's not true
The Globe cost just short of 8m

[George Dawes]

That's not true
The Globe cost just short of 8m

nah, your misunderstood there, that's what it was valued at after it was finished. I put that link up on here at the time, that price you quote, it was something like 7.8 million.


so it's like be getting in some builders to build a house costing at 190.000 to build then ringing up Ratcliffe and Bibby saying I now want to sell my house, then they come round and tell you it's only worth 125.000

[John L]

I personally found/find it embarrassing when away fans come and laughed at our ground and what we paid for it.

I've read online only this morning (during boredom at work) that Chesterfield's superb B2Net Stadium cost less to build than The Globe Arena....

Probably because it's an all seater. I remember Rod Taylor saying in an interview at the time that we plumped for terracing to appease the fans, despite being entitled to grants to build an all seater.

[outsider]

This whole thread is pointless, We need to move on We cant go back. Make the best of what we have.

Get behind the TEAM and CLUB. rather than silly bitching and personnel whinges. We ALL know there are problems, But dragging them up EVERY month is a waste of bandwidth.



HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL AND A HAPPY NEW ERA.

COYS.


P.S. The views in this post are my own views.

[mrpotatohead]

The thread is far from pointless, had.you read it properly it is not another opportunity to moan, it's more a look at why it hasn't worked to our advantage and how we move forward, if it's a failure off the pitch them we will always fail on it!

[Christies Child]

What a wonderful tool hindsight is..,,

If only those who now use it had expressed their reservations at the time...

As has been said numerous times,,it is what it ism live with it. There are far more important things going on in this world to constantly keep batching about something that we can't change.

Move on. We are a club whose very existence is at stake. Surely that takes priority over any other issues ...

[KenH]

The thing is that past mistakes need to be learned from and changes made. So far, no sign of that happening which is the problem. PMG/the board had a plan - it's not worked in so many ways, so where's plan B?

[Gnasher]

What a wonderful tool hindsight is..,,

Your 4th post in this thread

This whole thread is pointless, We need to move on We cant go back. Make the best of what we have.

In order to move forward, you have to understand how you got where we are, why we aren't debt free, etc. Once that's understood by everyone, then you can do more than just make the best of what you have.

[Little Shrimp]

I certainly wouldn't want to go back to using those disgusting portaloos at Christie Park.

Can imagine the ones in Calais are probably nicer!

[Christies Child]

What a wonderful tool hindsight is..,,

Your 4th post in this thread

This whole thread is pointless, We need to move on We cant go back. Make the best of what we have.

In order to move forward, you have to understand how you got where we are, why we aren't debt free, etc. Once that's understood by everyone, then you can do more than just make the best of what you have.

1 ahead at the moment... Keep up...

[George Dawes]

don't think its a pointless thread, it's one what gets brought up a lot and it's important if not crucial for the survival of this club to get back the supporters we've lost since 2010 .

for me once we deal with grievances with the ground we can then draw a line under it, and then if our support is still shite, then it's certainly down to the results and football played on the pitch and then we can look to correct that.

[Christies Child]

don't think its a pointless thread, it's one what gets brought up a lot and it's important if not crucial for the survival of this club to get back the supporters we've lost since 2010 .

for me once we deal with grievances with the ground we can then draw a line under it, and then if our support is still shite, then it's certainly down to the results and football played on the pitch and then we can look to correct that.

Sorry but I just don't buy it that it's the ground that is keeping fans away.

That implies that if we were top of the league playing good attacking football regularly and scoring bags of goals that fans would still stay away.

Fans would return whatever the grievences with The Globe IF we where top of the league for a sustained period.

[KenH]

No, the ground isn't "the" only reason, but it is one of the reasons. Add in the years of dull boring football, and the more recent poor home form of the last couple of seasons, the grievances with the ground, the cost, the lack of buses, warm beer, (or choose any other gripe) just tips people over the edge to not bothering. Any single issue wouldn't keep people away, but when the overall experience is poor, people will find it harder to keep coming down. People would accept the poor football if there was a good atmosphere and happy fans surrounding them - people would accept the poor ground/facilities if the football was good. But when nothing is particularly good, that's your problem!

[mrpotatohead]

This post is not about the globe keeping fans away CC please read it properly, it isn't anyway ,as on average over the past 6 years more fans attended the globe per season than the last 6 at christie, so if you are going to misquote at least do it in the right post!

same goes to others.

[Westgate Wanderer]

The gripes about the Globe appear more when the team is losing, making a good distraction to the poor fare on the pitch. The ground is better than Christie park, more seats which were needed for the Football League. The The two stands at either end are smaller but the Umbro end was big but very shallow terracing. The home end is bigger than the old end at CP before the North Stand was built, and it was ike that for donkeys years. Poor results put people off. In my opinion there seems to be a lot of people at the Globe walking around with access all areas passes, far more than there ever were at Christie! As long as we keep going it IS our home for many years to come so get used to it! Surely the fans make the atmosphere at any ground! The worrying thing is as in above posts the ground should be making good money for the club. Why isn't it? Poor publicity, attitude of we build it they will come? Off field i still think we act like a non-league side, need someone to bring us up to date into a professional set up

[George Dawes]

I just see it as, we had an hardcore of 1800ish when we first moved to the globe and now it's around 1000

so where have 800ish of our fans gone ?

[John L]

Well, they're clearly not making their views known on here as we all seem to be the same old faces, so maybe they weren't that arsed about the club after all, or are just good-time glory hunters who don't have the same level of patience and loyalty that we have.

[Christies Child]

This post is not about the globe keeping fans away CC please read it properly, it isn't anyway ,as on average over the past 6 years more fans attended the globe per season than the last 6 at christie, so if you are going to misquote at least do it in the right post!

same goes to others.

I was in fact replying to George Dawes post...so there....

By the way Lee...have a Happy New Year....and the same to all fellow SVers and Shrimp fans over the entire globe.