The crisis in refereeing

[BerlinWaller]

The Ref is in a great position to see Murph's tackle and he does get it right. I agree with Freez when he mentions the reaction of the team mates influenced what card was issued. I also agree with the obstruction comment, i asked the liner if they still use that rule.

[friedshrimp]

I have found this interesting!

A point about the obstructions that several people have referred to in this thread. The ref has to judge the distance of the ball from the nearest player and then think about the speed they are moving. What one set of fans sees as skillful shielding of the ball the others will see as obstruction. A couple of times I heard fans round me shout for obstruction but I did not see an infringement. To have any meaningful discussion we would need video, like with the Murphy tackle, but to me he got most of those decisions more or less right. I posted law 12 earlier- it is all in there.

I thought the ref was pretty good. He missed some stuff but that went both ways. any ref will always miss stuff. One set of eyes in real time is not enough. And it is an awful thing being a referee and realising that you got it wrong. I often realised just after I blew the whistle but there is no going back.

When I did the training we were shown some sets of appraisals written by club secretaries. the winning teams secretaries gave very different appraisals to the losers. some were 1/10 for onew side and 10/10 for the other. The ref goes into game unbiased. The fans go in biased with a passion.

[fulwoodshrimp]

I do accept Fried Shrimp that we fans are biased towards our team and wouldn't have it any other way. I went home after the Cambridge game feeling Mr. Miller had had a good game as match referee! Would I have felt the same if we had lost that game? You must also accept ex-referees are usually biased towards the ref and trot out the usual phrases about difficult job etc. That is what I think is wrong with our system. Ex-referees tend to support and encourage current referees whatever their performance is like. How else do you explain the promotion of some referees onto the league list. We have seen one or two referees at the Globe this season who were very poor and yet I bet their assessors didn't tell it like it is and they will continue to ruin games for many a season!

[mrpotatohead]

Summed up perfectly.

[marky No.1]

Meanwhile, Mark Clattenburg has jacked and is off to the far east

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[Freez]

Regarding the obstruction rule, you cannot be classed as shielding a ball that is ten yards away, as Santos did when Turner was outpacing him, that's not skillfull shielding, it's obstruction, and that particular incident was the one I was referring to.
Turner was at least going to arrive at the bouncing ball at a similar time as the keeper, Santos was left for pace and realised that Turner would be in with a chance and veered off course to ensure Turner had to go round him. Hence obstruction. Not given obviously

I'm ragingly biased but if we did the same I'd admit it was obstruction. As with the penalty on Tuesday, it was an unsubtle shove, and therefore a penalty.

[Sakhalin Shrimp]

The ref goes into game unbiased.

Really?

Every game? Every team?

[fulwoodshrimp]

On occasions this season it hasn't seemed like refs were unbiased!

[Freez]

Personally, I feel there is a sub-culture of which we are in the bottom category on two counts.

Firstly, big team or famous manager with loads of fans who shouldn't really be down here attitude, particularly at home, who obviously can influence refs. Please dont tell me they cannot be influenced as 15,000 fans screaming for a decision will work sooner or later, they are only human after all.
We are defo not in that category.

Secondly, and this again is down to a prejudice that is proven by linguistic studies, one of the least trusted accents in the country is a scouse twang. And we have lots of our squad from around the Liverpool area, which again perhaps when we are trying to talk to the officials , could sway a a decision??
Seems daft but again it's human nature.

Not suggesting that these are in any way worth points a season, so no excuses, but how about letting Baz and Rosey be the one she talking to them and see what happens!!

[friedshrimp]

love the idea of gagging the scousers.

Now I should come clean. The ref in me thought salisbury got it wrong, he should have sent their player off for the stamp and Kenyon for the attempted kick- however feeble. That would have left morecambe back on equal terms. That was the ref in me. The totally biased shrimps supporter in me shouted over the tunnel wall that the ref was a wan*er. So despite my pious ramblings I am as biased as anyone else when it comes to seeing injustice. I enjoyes doing it too.

[MfcChris]

Appeal rejected

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