Realism debate

[P/T Indie]

Yes I believe what was done to the pitch is more or less what most clubs do every season but we can't afford to do it. It probably did have more work than normal done on it just because of the machinery etc the external company could use, like where they punch loads of small holes into the pitch, which should be done every year but poor Chesh is just struggling along with his fork and mower!

So back to realism then so we have the lowest budget, worst training facilities and come winter prob a bad pitch again so yes we should be bottom of the league.

[mfcbro]

redrobo all the pitch contractors did was take off a few centimetres not a big change at all.

[Potted Shrimp]

The worrying aspect for me is that of the 6 teams we have played so far its hard to see any of them with the possible exception of Northampton being any higher than mid-table and probably lower than that.

We still have the powerhouses like Lincoln , MK Dons , Mansfield etc to play.

As others have said we allow opposition wide players the freedom of the flanks. Cranston looked good in the friendlies but then had a 'mare against Exeter. Conlan IMHO just isn't good enough and maybe Cranston should be reinstated against Swindon.

Disagree with this myself, I certainly see Oldham and Exeter and possibly a recently relegated Bury finishing above mid-table, they are three good sides. Northampton, Crewe, and Stevenage would expect to finish around mid-table they are certainly not weak.

Looking at future fixtures there is the potential to pick up points particularly at home where on our day, with a bit of luck we can beat a lot of sides. In fact looking at our fixtures from now till Christmas there are plenty of opportunities to pick up points and I think we will.

It is a strange league where the most unlikely teams can pick up form and earn promotion, a lot of non-traditional 'small' clubs in this league have even earned promotion, Accrington, Yeovil, Crawley, Stevenage, AFC Wibledon and Burton are teams off the top of my head to this and not all necessarily with the backing of £££££'s.

[redrobo]

redrobo all the pitch contractors did was take off a few centimetres not a big change at all.

When I went down to the ground the contractors where well into lifting the old surface. Now i didn't have a tape measure with me, but it looked to me as though it was at least 4cm deep that was being lifted in preparation for the seed drill to be used. I'm sure that in previous close seasons at The Globe all we have done is spread the ground using a mechanical spreader with sand and fertiliser. The same contractor was used at the old ground on a fairly regular basis I seem to recall. It will be interesting to see how the pitch copes with the weather this winter as the problem lies in the substructure of the pitch which I understand was packed too tightly and to rectify it would mean going back to basics I would imagine which would no doubt cost a pretty sum.

[MfcChris]

The worrying aspect for me is that of the 6 teams we have played so far its hard to see any of them with the possible exception of Northampton being any higher than mid-table and probably lower than that.

We still have the powerhouses like Lincoln , MK Dons , Mansfield etc to play.

As others have said we allow opposition wide players the freedom of the flanks. Cranston looked good in the friendlies but then had a 'mare against Exeter. Conlan IMHO just isn't good enough and maybe Cranston should be reinstated against Swindon.

Disagree with this myself, I certainly see Oldham and Exeter and possibly a recently relegated Bury finishing above mid-table, they are three good sides. Northampton, Crewe, and Stevenage would expect to finish around mid-table they are certainly not weak.

Looking at future fixtures there is the potential to pick up points particularly at home where on our day, with a bit of luck we can beat a lot of sides. In fact looking at our fixtures from now till Christmas there are plenty of opportunities to pick up points and I think we will.

It is a strange league where the most unlikely teams can pick up form and earn promotion, a lot of non-traditional 'small' clubs in this league have even earned promotion, Accrington, Yeovil, Crawley, Stevenage, AFC Wibledon and Burton are teams off the top of my head to this and not all necessarily with the backing of £££££'s.

We have Macclesfield & Cheltenham soon, who will both be fighting us to stay up. We know how them games go

[BerlinWaller]

redrobo all the pitch contractors did was take off a few centimetres not a big change at all.

When I went down to the ground the contractors where well into lifting the old surface. Now i didn't have a tape measure with me, but it looked to me as though it was at least 4cm deep that was being lifted in preparation for the seed drill to be used. I'm sure that in previous close seasons at The Globe all we have done is spread the ground using a mechanical spreader with sand and fertiliser. The same contractor was used at the old ground on a fairly regular basis I seem to recall. It will be interesting to see how the pitch copes with the weather this winter as the problem lies in the substructure of the pitch which I understand was packed too tightly and to rectify it would mean going back to basics I would imagine which would no doubt cost a pretty sum.

Freez explained it to you. When they built the ground and it came to laying the pitch, the BoD's cut corners. It should be laid on a 70% Sand and 30% soil base. The Board found out that sand cost more than soil and went for a 50/50 mix which saved money but limits drainage. Whether they scraped off 4cm or 4inch, that is the problem. This is what happens when Post men build Football Stadiums.

I was told that they have paid £20k for a job that could have been done for £6k and it is nothing more than putting a plaster over the problem.

[mrpotatohead]

Have you ever got anything positive to say about any aspect of the club you "support?"

[marky No.1]

This is a realism debate thread and I think its fair to say that if we lined up all the positives and negatives either side of the scales they would be leaning quite heavily on the negative side.
We seem to get a glimmer of hope and satisfaction equal to feeding the odd kipper to a sea lion, then a shark comes along and ruins everything like forgetting to bring a programme back from Carlisle.

Big pressure on the people that organised the new surface if it doesnt work... my concern is that when the bad weather sets in, the sun still won't shine on the area in front of the main stand and the water off the roof will still land in the shaded area where everyone walks up and down the pitch. Infrared heaters in those areas is the only answer imo

[BerlinWaller]

Have you ever got anything positive to say about any aspect of the club you "support?"

Burnley forum quiet?

[mrpotatohead]

I support Burnley and I support Morecambe, you support no one, you just drag MFC down , sad.

[RedRampage]

, you support no one, you just drag MFC down , sad.

What he says is correct tho!

The clubs dragging us fans down.

[mrpotatohead]

start supporting fleetwood then...or fylde

[redrobo]

redrobo all the pitch contractors did was take off a few centimetres not a big change at all.

When I went down to the ground the contractors where well into lifting the old surface. Now i didn't have a tape measure with me, but it looked to me as though it was at least 4cm deep that was being lifted in preparation for the seed drill to be used. I'm sure that in previous close seasons at The Globe all we have done is spread the ground using a mechanical spreader with sand and fertiliser. The same contractor was used at the old ground on a fairly regular basis I seem to recall. It will be interesting to see how the pitch copes with the weather this winter as the problem lies in the substructure of the pitch which I understand was packed too tightly and to rectify it would mean going back to basics I would imagine which would no doubt cost a pretty sum.

Freez explained it to you. When they built the ground and it came to laying the pitch, the BoD's cut corners. It should be laid on a 70% Sand and 30% soil base. The Board found out that sand cost more than soil and went for a 50/50 mix which saved money but limits drainage. Whether they scraped off 4cm or 4inch, that is the problem. This is what happens when Post men build Football Stadiums.

I was told that they have paid £20k for a job that could have been done for £6k and it is nothing more than putting a plaster over the problem.

Always amazes me as to where fans get their info from about financial matters that are determined within the Boardroom in particular about the 'so called' cost of the pitch and follow up costs. Who told you that the current job could have been done for £14K cheaper?

[KenH]

start supporting fleetwood then...or fylde

Back to the old "you're not a real fan" and go somewhere else argument. Well, that's exactly why the club is in such a poor state - far too many fans have been alienated over the past few years and have done exactly that. I hope the "real fans" will be pleased with themselves when we're a few leagues lower, average attendances of a couple of hundred, but they'll have a warm glow inside that they're "real fans".

[Andy D]

Back to the old "you're not a real fan" and go somewhere else argument. Well, that's exactly why the club is in such a poor state - far too many fans have been alienated over the past few years and have done exactly that. I hope the "real fans" will be pleased with themselves when we're a few leagues lower, average attendances of a couple of hundred, but they'll have a warm glow inside that they're "real fans".

Well said, This is whats happening.

[BerlinWaller]

Unlike you Mr Child, I am not one for outing people who tell me things! I was told by a very reliable source in front of two other people who post on here. I am sorry it goes against your pie in the sky comments and wild assumptions.

As for Burnley's number 1 fan, nobody takes no notice of you mate. Unless you are having a pop at someone, nobody really cares. Tell us how much money you spend at the club again, we love that.

[mrpotatohead]

[redrobo]

Unlike you Mr Child, I am not one for outing people who tell me things! I was told by a very reliable source in front of two other people who post on here. I am sorry it goes against your pie in the sky comments and wild assumptions.

As for Burnley's number 1 fan, nobody takes no notice of you mate. Unless you are having a pop at someone, nobody really cares. Tell us how much money you spend at the club again, we love that.

A definite case of 'pot kettle black' if ever there was one

[SupermarketShrimp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfpyD3xYjDg

[Westgate Wanderer]

Unlike you Mr Child, I am not one for outing people who tell me things! I was told by a very reliable source in front of two other people who post on here. I am sorry it goes against your pie in the sky comments and wild assumptions.

As for Burnley's number 1 fan, nobody takes no notice of you mate. Unless you are having a pop at someone, nobody really cares. Tell us how much money you spend at the club again, we love that.

I heard this conversation regarding the pitch and it was a reliable source at the club! The figures BerlinWaller quoted were the ones mentioned and I would imagine accurate!