Struggling to Get Enthusiastic?

[shrimperteer]

Phil you beat me to it I know a few people who have died as an indirect cause as they didnt get the care they normally would.

Also take someone like Eddie Large 4 weeks in hospital with heart failure but then got covid so did he die of covid or heart failure?

Also a lot of people in care homes were put straight on DNR and told they shouldnt have been taken to hospital in order to save the NHS.

The Eddie Large example wouldn’t have been an ‘above average’ death then. If he was going to die of heart failure anyway then he wouldn’t add to the 65000 above average deaths. If a large number of people who have died with Covid rather than of Covid then the excess deaths is massive.

It is a number we could see going down for the year though (the deaths above average that is, obviously total deaths can’t go down) if people who were going to die this year anyway have been taken early by Covid it means they won’t be adding to the figures later in the year.
It’s a tough balancing act, both practically and ethically on how to proceed. I’d always trust epidemiologists and analysts over the likes of Richard Littlejohn and Nick Ferrari when it comes to how to proceed however.

[Phil Anderer]

Phil you beat me to it I know a few people who have died as an indirect cause as they didnt get the care they normally would.

Also take someone like Eddie Large 4 weeks in hospital with heart failure but then got covid so did he die of covid or heart failure?

Also a lot of people in care homes were put straight on DNR and told they shouldnt have been taken to hospital in order to save the NHS.

The Eddie Large example wouldn’t have been an ‘above average’ death then. If he was going to die of heart failure anyway then he wouldn’t add to the 65000 above average deaths. If a large number of people who have died with Covid rather than of Covid then the excess deaths is massive.

It is a number we could see going down for the year though (the deaths above average that is, obviously total deaths can’t go down) if people who were going to die this year anyway have been taken early by Covid it means they won’t be adding to the figures later in the year.
It’s a tough balancing act, both practically and ethically on how to proceed. I’d always trust epidemiologists and analysts over the likes of Richard Littlejohn and Nick Ferrari when it comes to how to proceed however.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... test-trace

Total deaths per week below 5 year average for 6 weeks in a row. I guess that supports, if not proves, the point you're making.

[marky No.1]

I've got the added issue, being on the Isle of Man. Anyone leaving the Island must quarantine for 14 days on return. .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe ... n-53868709

[Keith]

I've got the added issue, being on the Isle of Man. Anyone leaving the Island must quarantine for 14 days on return. .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe ... n-53868709

We don't **** about over here! There have been a few spending their quarantine and a bit more, eating prison food.

[Born again Bill]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe ... n-53868709[/quote]

We don't **** about over here! There have been a few spending their quarantine and a bit more, eating prison food.[/quote]


And rightly so Keith, but to be fair after watching the documentary about the IOM prison it's more like a fortnight at Butlins than a castodial sentence

[Keith]

And rightly so Keith, but to be fair after watching the documentary about the IOM prison it's more like a fortnight at Butlins than a custodial sentence

I don't know anyone on the IoM who watched it (although I'm sure some did!) most people over here were appalled by it.

[Westgate Wanderer]

And rightly so Keith, but to be fair after watching the documentary about the IOM prison it's more like a fortnight at Butlins than a custodial sentence

I don't know anyone on the IoM who watched it (although I'm sure some did!) most people over here were appalled by it.

If nobody watched it how are they appalled?

[Andy D]

I’ve not renewed. And again no disrespect to the club. There just isn’t any clarity over when we can attend games, how that will work, if away fans will be there and what will happen if a second wave comes. I was happy to give the club about £50 for the unused part of my season ticket and then more on the fundraiser (no news on my shirt yet though), but i think all fans across the country need some more detail before parting with their money.

there's quite a few who i know taken this attitude.

although i'm not made of money i just paid for C Prem again knowing for most the time i will be getting relocated i just see it as helping the club out financially.

[redrobo]

I doubt the clubs themselves are fully aware of when fans can get back to watching a game from a stadium.

Considering the changing circumstances surrounding the virus I don't see how the EFL or for that matter the Government can do anything differently than to make decisions on the circumstances as they develop.

It's easy to be critical but I doubt anything would change under different leadership.

[Posh]

And rightly so Keith, but to be fair after watching the documentary about the IOM prison it's more like a fortnight at Butlins than a custodial sentence

I don't know anyone on the IoM who watched it (although I'm sure some did!) most people over here were appalled by it.

If nobody watched it how are they appalled?

Surely not knowing anything about a subject but having expert and vociferous opinion on it is about 90% of social media these days.

[marky No.1]

https://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/spo ... es-2955824

[BerlinWaller]

I think things will develop pretty quickly once there have been trials in different sports. Snooker and Rugby have had spectators and with Brighton and The FA Vase doing the same this weekend, all being well October should see us back in the ground.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-conseq ... eases-hcid

[HALMA 1983]

It's going to be rather strange, wearing a face covering in the open air and unable to open your mouth throughout the whole game but it's that or nothing.

[Keith]

And rightly so Keith, but to be fair after watching the documentary about the IOM prison it's more like a fortnight at Butlins than a custodial sentence

I don't know anyone on the IoM who watched it (although I'm sure some did!) most people over here were appalled by it.

If nobody watched it how are they appalled?

Appalled that it was allowed to be filmed in the first place and that it made 15 minute celebrities out of thugs & petty criminals.