Songo 6 game ban

[tim-sanchez]

The written reasons have been released here, filed under "Yann Sonngo'o". To summarise:

Songo'o apologised during the game and admitted the charge on the 22nd February. He said English was not his first language so he did not appreciate the offence he would cause.

The provocation alluded to seems to be that a player leaned in and when Songo'o asked why, the player said he was "going to kiss him on the lips". There's no reference to racial abuse or any other kind of insult/abuse aimed at Songo'o.

To be honest, I'm still pretty disappointed in the club. When provocation was alluded to by Derek it sounded like something much more severe than was released there, unless there's something more that wasn't mentioned for some reason. There's absolutely no way a homophobic slur is an appropriate response to being told you'd be kissed. If Songo'o admitted it and apologised immediately, I can't understand why the club couldn't issue a public apology as part of their statement. I can accept Songo'o's apology and at the time he didn't understand the offence due to English not being his first language, but after it happened the club could have avoided a lot of bad press by issuing an immediate apology.

Ultimately he's apologised and we all move on, but I hope the club has learned from this situation.

[Sakhalin Shrimp]

The written reasons have been released here, filed under "Yann Sonngo'o". To summarise:

Songo'o apologised during the game and admitted the charge on the 22nd February. He said English was not his first language so he did not appreciate the offence he would cause.

The provocation alluded to seems to be that a player leaned in and when Songo'o asked why, the player said he was "going to kiss him on the lips". There's no reference to racial abuse or any other kind of insult/abuse aimed at Songo'o.

To be honest, I'm still pretty disappointed in the club. When provocation was alluded to by Derek it sounded like something much more severe than was released there

Threatening a sexual assault is quite serious I would say.

“Unwanted sexual touching - which could include kissing - is potentially criminal under the Sexual Offences Act 2003. Behaviour in the workplace is also regulated by the Equality Act 2010.”

[redrobo]

The written reasons have been released here, filed under "Yann Sonngo'o". To summarise:

Songo'o apologised during the game and admitted the charge on the 22nd February. He said English was not his first language so he did not appreciate the offence he would cause.

The provocation alluded to seems to be that a player leaned in and when Songo'o asked why, the player said he was "going to kiss him on the lips". There's no reference to racial abuse or any other kind of insult/abuse aimed at Songo'o.

To be honest, I'm still pretty disappointed in the club. When provocation was alluded to by Derek it sounded like something much more severe than was released there, unless there's something more that wasn't mentioned for some reason. There's absolutely no way a homophobic slur is an appropriate response to being told you'd be kissed. If Songo'o admitted it and apologised immediately, I can't understand why the club couldn't issue a public apology as part of their statement. I can accept Songo'o's apology and at the time he didn't understand the offence due to English not being his first language, but after it happened the club could have avoided a lot of bad press by issuing an immediate apology.

Ultimately he's apologised and we all move on, but I hope the club has learned from this situation.

In my opinion the club was perfectly right NOT to issue any apologetic statement until the FA had delivered its verdict on the matter. To do so prior to any decision would have been tantamount to prejudging the outcome.

Numerous times prior to this incident the club has supported all programmes and initiatives to condemn any form of racism or allied matters of which I have 100% support.

[Keith]

In my opinion the club was perfectly right NOT to issue any apologetic statement until the FA had delivered its verdict on the matter. To do so prior to any decision would have been tantamount to prejudging the outcome.

Numerous times prior to this incident the club has supported all programmes and initiatives to condemn any form of racism or allied matters of which I have 100% support.

Reactive, not proactive.
'Talk the talk' but not 'walk the walk'.

How exactly, would they have been "prejudging the outcome" if the case was admitted? It wasn't contested, therefore the outcome was already known.

Still, 'rainbow laces'. That's more than enough, isn't it?

[redrobo]

There sounds to be much more to this incident than has been made public.

But hey ho we've ALL got our own thoughts on this and in particular why OUR club made no apology until after the FA had past judgement.

Sounds to me Keith that we will have to disagree on this....again

[Keith]

There sounds to be much more to this incident than has been made public.

But hey ho we've ALL got our own thoughts on this and in particular why OUR club made no apology until after the FA had past judgement.

Sounds to me Keith that we will have to disagree on this....again

Yup, we'll continue our usual pattern of disagreement. Life would be boring if we were all perfect and didn't have incorrect people to argue with

The 'rest of the story' is in the FA's summing up. The provocation was a player invading Songo'o's personal space and saying he was going to kiss him on the lips.

[black morse]

There sounds to be much more to this incident than has been made public.

But hey ho we've ALL got our own thoughts on this and in particular why OUR club made no apology until after the FA had past judgement.

Sounds to me Keith that we will have to disagree on this....again

Yup, we'll continue our usual pattern of disagreement. Life would be boring if we were all perfect and din't have incorrect people to argue with

The 'rest of the story' is in the FA's summing up. The provocation was a player invading Songo'o's personal space and saying he was going to kiss him on the lips.[/quote]

Yep. that to me is provocation.

[black morse]

There sounds to be much more to this incident than has been made public.

But hey ho we've ALL got our own thoughts on this and in particular why OUR club made no apology until after the FA had past judgement.

Sounds to me Keith that we will have to disagree on this....again

Yup, we'll continue our usual pattern of disagreement. Life would be boring if we were all perfect and din't have incorrect people to argue with

The 'rest of the story' is in the FA's summing up. The provocation was a player invading Songo'o's personal space and saying he was going to kiss him on the lips.[/quote]

Yep. that to me is provocation.

[redrobo]

There sounds to be much more to this incident than has been made public.

But hey ho we've ALL got our own thoughts on this and in particular why OUR club made no apology until after the FA had past judgement.

Sounds to me Keith that we will have to disagree on this....again

Yup, we'll continue our usual pattern of disagreement. Life would be boring if we were all perfect and din't have incorrect people to argue with

The 'rest of the story' is in the FA's summing up. The provocation was a player invading Songo'o's personal space and saying he was going to kiss him on the lips.

Problem with some folk on SVs is that they can't see that some have a different opinion than themselves and always see their point of view as being the correct one. Thankfully I accept that we ALL have different opinions and thoughts and would never accuse someone of being 'incorrect'.....unlike some...and to clarify I still feel that the BoD were correct in not providing any statement until AFTER the outcome of Songo'os inquiry....but others view it differently and they are more than entitled to their opinion. And I've no problem with the outcome of the inquiry. This has and remains purely about the BoD not issuing any statement until after the inquiry.

[thefactsman]

To be honest, I'm still pretty disappointed in the club. When provocation was alluded to by Derek it sounded like something much more severe than was released there, unless there's something more that wasn't mentioned for some reason. There's absolutely no way a homophobic slur is an appropriate response to being told you'd be kissed.

If you walked down the street and tried to kiss someone without consent, particular a woman these days you'd be arrested for Sexual harassment.

The Tranmere player should have got a 3 match ban for violent conduct. (and no I am not condoning Yann's homophobic slur but many people would have reacted the way he did!!)

[Sakhalin Shrimp]

To be honest, I'm still pretty disappointed in the club. When provocation was alluded to by Derek it sounded like something much more severe than was released there, unless there's something more that wasn't mentioned for some reason. There's absolutely no way a homophobic slur is an appropriate response to being told you'd be kissed.

If you walked down the street and tried to kiss someone without consent, particular a woman these days you'd be arrested for Sexual harassment.

The Tranmere player should have got a 3 match ban for violent conduct. (and no I am not condoning Yann's homophobic slur but many people would have reacted the way he did!!)

See my comment above, if true, why wasn’t it investigated?

[Keith]

See my comment above, if true, why wasn’t it investigated?

My guess [and it is a guess], is that there was simply no corroborating evidence. If the officials didn't hear the interaction, they couldn't act upon it or report it at the time and if no other players heard it, the FA can't do anything post match.

Sounds like someone indulged in the dark arts, to get a response from Songo'o and it worked, probably better than expected from the Tranmere player's perspective.

[redrobo]

See my comment above, if true, why wasn’t it investigated?

My guess [and it is a guess], is that there was simply no corroborating evidence. If the officials didn't hear the interaction, they couldn't act upon it or report it at the time and if no other players heard it, the FA can't do anything post match.

Sounds like someone indulged in the dark arts, to get a response from Songo'o and it worked, probably better than expected from the Tranmere player's perspective.

Bloody hell Keith.....I AGREE.....