League Two?

[Keith]

How do we think we'll do next season? Harrogate on Tuesday night will be a good indication.

[Born again Bill]

How do we think we'll do next season? Harrogate on Tuesday night will be a good indication.

Depends who is manager , with Derek ( and it will be) at the helm you will be asking the same question next season about non league !

[Gone_Shrimping]

13 games played ! Let's wait until we have most of our injured players back.

Cheltenham and Exeter hammered at home. Accrington let 3 in. MK Dons let 4 in at home. Fleetwood lose at home again.

Let's get stuck into the Tykes next weekend and make Darren Gough and Dickie Bird sick as parrots !

Does Harrogate count as Arthur's 3rd suspension game making him available for Barnsley ?

[Redalert1970]

I think Arthur is suspended for Barnsley game (he can play in pizza trophy)

Also think Fane is suspended for the Barnsley game (5 yellows)

[BerlinWaller]

Imagine my shock when I saw who created this thread. The very same man who enjoyed L2 relegation battles year in year out because that is all we deserved.

[BHmfc]

I can't believe people are turning against the manager. He first arrived at the club when we had a very real chance of being relegated out of the football league. He kept us in the league. His first full season in charge we got promoted into league one. He then left to take over at a far bigger club, but for whatever reason he was not given enough time to develop a team that he wanted and was given the push. In the mean time we brought in a new manager on a three year contract who promised us the earth but quickly packed his bags when Scotland called. Derek returned and somehow managed to keep us in league one. This new season started with a squad including several players who are not league one players but are on two year contracts, hence limiting Derek's ability to play the type of football he wants to play. If we go down this season I would be happy for Derek to stay, his record in league two is second to none, he would also by then have a squad of players that he wants. Too many changes next season and we will be in real trouble.

[Crazeenick]

I can't believe people are turning against the manager. He first arrived at the club when we had a very real chance of being relegated out of the football league. He kept us in the league. His first full season in charge we got promoted into league one. He then left to take over at a far bigger club, but for whatever reason he was not given enough time to develop a team that he wanted and was given the push. In the mean time we brought in a new manager on a three year contract who promised us the earth but quickly packed his bags when Scotland called. Derek returned and somehow managed to keep us in league one. This new season started with a squad including several players who are not league one players but are on two year contracts, hence limiting Derek's ability to play the type of football he wants to play. If we go down this season I would be happy for Derek to stay, his record in league two is second to none, he would also by then have a squad of players that he wants. Too many changes next season and we will be in real trouble.

Agree - good post. We need to keep things in perspective. We suspected we would struggle in L1 at the start of this season and pretty much knew we would be in the relegation dogfight zone before a ball was even kicked. Derek was stuck with a load of dodgy players picked by Stephen Robinson and with a very small budget. There is a long way to go yet this season - give Derek time - there is still a decent chance we can avoid the drop. And even if we do go back down to L2, we know Derek is a good manager at that level - if we can keep a decent % of our new season ticket base within L2, we will be just fine.

Keep the faith guys.

[Keith]

Imagine my shock when I saw who created this thread. The very same man who enjoyed L2 relegation battles year in year out because that is all we deserved.

Imagine my shock, when the person who led the charge against relegation battles, is now content to be cut adrift at the bottom of the league.

I would be happy with a relegation battle in League One, if it looked like we had a hope in hell of surviving. Currently, we're not in a "relegation battle", we're in a relegation surrender.

Two shots on target, both from defenders, in a game against the side second from bottom, who had lost all but one home game before yesterday?

Losing the game, so take off an attacking midfielder and put on a defensive one?

If I was a Burton Albion fan, I'd think we were robbed of two points (Shaw should have been sent off before half-time) and they somehow contrived to head wide from four yards out and created far more than us.

Let's see a battle. Let's see us actually try to win a game. Let's see us actually creating something. So far, I've not seen that.

[BerlinWaller]

If You were a Burton fan? You should try and be a Morecambe fan and get behind our greatest ever Manager and support the lads in a massive challenge.

This isn't L2 where a couple of clubs had a much bigger budget, this is L1 where you are competing agsinst Championship sized clubs week in week out. If you can't get your head around that then maybe you should become a Burton fan?

Fancy dreaming of better things than trying to finish 18th in L2 in front of 1000 fans every home game eh? Imagine not having a trip to Wembley or taking the lead away at Tottenham. Imagine never competing at this level and going to the grounds we have been to. Your agenda is eating you up Keith and even your back up crew leave you out to dry these days. Your posts are becoming a joke.

[Keith]

If You were a Burton fan? You should try and be a Morecambe fan and get behind our greatest ever Manager and support the lads in a massive challenge.

This isn't L2 where a couple of clubs had a much bigger budget, this is L1 where you are competing agsinst Championship sized clubs week in week out. If you can't get your head around that then maybe you should become a Burton fan?

Fancy dreaming of better things than trying to finish 18th in L2 in front of 1000 fans every home game eh? Imagine not having a trip to Wembley or taking the lead away at Tottenham. Imagine never competing at this level and going to the grounds we have been to. Your agenda is eating you up Keith and even your back up crew leave you out to dry these days. Your posts are becoming a joke.

It is a massive challenge. It would be nice to see us try and rise to it, instead of trying to keep a clean sheet, and failing. I don't expect us to be beating Ipswich, I do expect us to at minimum, look like we might beat Burton Albion.

Derek said; "Coming here [Burton] is not easy"...

Burton Home:

Burton 0 Bristol Rovers 4
Burton 0 Ipswich 1
Burton 0 Port Vale 2
Burton 0 Portsmouth 2
Burton 3 Forest Green 2
Burton 1 Morecambe 1

There won't be any clubs that are easier to visit than them.

Are you really saying that taking off an attacking midfielder and replacing him with a defensive one was a 'good move' from our "greatest ever manager"? Or, taking off a midfielder and replacing him with a defender, when we've got an actual midfielder sitting on the bench was showing attacking intent?

Are you actually happy to watch us surrender without a fight? Or do you think that what we served up yesterday was as good as it will get all season?

[Keith]

...taking the lead away at Tottenham.

That was under the previous manager, not your hero. Back when we actually looked like it was more important to score than not concede. Then, concede anyway.

I desperately want to see us stay up. I love the fact that we're playing Ipswich & Derby & Sheffield Wednesday & Barnsley. I really want us to be playing teams like those next season too.

Or, if we are going to be relegated for the first time in 102 years, I'd at least like to see us go down fighting.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"

I suppose, as long as you're happy with bottom of the league, that's all that matters. You aren't expecting a different result. We can carry on as we are. At least you agree that we're going down. It's just that you'll be smiling when we do.

[Redalert1970]

Don`t think we surrendered without a fight yesterday !!!

We fought back from 0 - 1 down yesterday and salvaged a 1 - 1 draw away from home

Burton maybe not the best team in league 1 but there is not many easy games in this league (just ask Ipswich fans after losing at home to Lincoln yesterday)

[thefactsman]

Derek's record in L1 with Morecambe
Played 26
Won 4
Draw 8
Lost 14
PPG - 0.77

Derek has a worst Points per game ratio than Robinson (0.94). I'd argue that this year's team is better than last season's. We've been unlucky with injures but the players we have look uninspired and demotivated. If we don't pick points up against Barnsley and Cheltenham, then surely we have to let Derek go? He's only got under the end of the season anyway and financially it would be worth the risk.

I've never been keen to sack a manager but change can be positive!

[Gone_Shrimping]

Derek's record in L1 with Morecambe
Played 26
Won 4
Draw 8
Lost 14
PPG - 0.77

Derek has a worst Points per game ratio than Robinson (0.94). I'd argue that this year's team is better than last season's. We've been unlucky with injures but the players we have look uninspired and demotivated. If we don't pick points up against Barnsley and Cheltenham, then surely we have to let Derek go? He's only got under the end of the season anyway and financially it would be worth the risk.

I've never been keen to sack a manager but change can be positive!

What were Robinson's figures like after his first 10 League matches up to his last league match in charge Factsman. Don't include FA Cup or other cup matches , just EFL matches.

[thefactsman]

What were Robinson's figures like after his first 10 League matches up to his last league match in charge Factsman. Don't include FA Cup or other cup matches , just EFL matches.

P22
W3
D7
L12

[Keith]

Don`t think we surrendered without a fight yesterday !!!

We fought back from 0 - 1 down yesterday and salvaged a 1 - 1 draw away from home

Burton maybe not the best team in league 1 but there is not many easy games in this league (just ask Ipswich fans after losing at home to Lincoln yesterday)

Burton aren't quite the worst team in League One.

Two shots on target, both from defenders. Fortunately, Delaney scored a cracker, but if Shaw had been sent off, or Burton took their chances, we wouldn't have picked up a point. Substituting an attacking midfielder for a defensive one, when we were losing, is hardly 'going down with a fight'. Hoofing the ball aimlessly forwards, because the midfield are back defending, is not going to pick up enough points.

Let's try a different tactic on Tuesday, because the current tactic isn't working.

[skeletor]

The 'never been relegated' story is a fallacy.For the seasons prior to the 1970s I do not believe it was possible to be relegated,I stand to be corrected though.

[marky No.1]

Sammy always said it's not about tactics, it's about players, I think Derek has proved him wrong.

In Sammys day players were often told just to go out and play football, now we seem to be ruled by clipboards

[Gone_Shrimping]

The 'never been relegated' story is a fallacy.For the seasons prior to the 1970s I do not believe it was possible to be relegated,I stand to be corrected though.

I don't think it was possible to be relegated from the Lancashire Combination as there was no pyramid until the Northern Premier League started in 1968. It was possible to be relegated from that and I think we may have escaped when we were either bottom or 2nd to the bottom in 1980 or 1981 when we were in serious danger of being wound up. Not sure how we escaped relegation on that occasion.

[marky No.1]

Tamworth were relegated on the same 30 points as us but we stayed up on goal difference.

We ended up 16 points behind Burton, 5 pts below Lancaster and 3 below Southport, safe to say we have improved since

[redrobo]

Wish everybody would stop this negativity and play our part in guaranteeing EFL1 football next season and beyond.

If I was one of our excellent players and bothering to read this forum I'd be pissed off at how negative it can be.

So things are tough at the moment with what's going on off the field ie Sale but our lads need all the encouragement we can muster....not discussing how life in EFL2 is on the horizon.

GET BEHIND OUR LADS.......

[Gone_Shrimping]

Wish everybody would stop this negativity and play our part in guaranteeing EFL1 football next season and beyond.

If I was one of our excellent players and bothering to read this forum I'd be pissed off at how negative it can be.

So things are tough at the moment with what's going on off the field ie Sale but our lads need all the encouragement we can muster....not discussing how life in EFL2 is on the horizon.

GET BEHIND OUR LADS.......

Exactly , there is someone who says he is a Morecambe fan called Ian Stone on Facebook and I think he loves to see us losing so he can start his Adams Out threads. I would have taken a point at Burton before the game yesterday , its not been a happy hunting ground for us since we joined the EFL.

[mrpotatohead]

I dont think anyone could keep this squad in this division without 4 or 5 better players in the January window, and we cant afford them.

[mrpotatohead]

Upon the bright side , that could change if the potential new owners could strike a deal with the gruesome twosome sharpish.

[redrobo]

I dont think anyone could keep this squad in this division without 4 or 5 better players in the January window, and we cant afford them.

Welcome back.....and which positions in your valued opinion would we need to change / improve...