MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Knightrider » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:57 am

redtilldead74 wrote:why the players got payed late and what had been put in place to prevent this from happening again.
An excellent point was made by one guy who said the silence from the board did not help the club and the press reported it and that it would have been better if the club had issued a prompt press statement. Rod agreed and advised the club had learnt.
That was one of my questions, jimmy Goulding shrimps trust trustee. Hope that clears the matter up.

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Thanks thats a point not a question and an excellent one in my opinion. Outsider stated there were three Trust member questions so what were they? If your point was a question then what were the other two? Just politely asking.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby mrpotatohead » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:16 pm

I knew the identities of every single person in the meeting last night without exception including Mr Williams ...if he is not Knightrider ..then knightrider is actually invisible...you state that Mr Williams was alone...why , as a friend ,were you not sat with him :lol:

Having said that Mr Williams mode of transport Was not "kit" it was actually "sh+t!! :lol:
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Gnasher » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:23 pm

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redtilldead74 wrote:why the players got payed late and what had been put in place to prevent this from happening again.
An excellent point was made by one guy who said the silence from the board did not help the club and the press reported it and that it would have been better if the club had issued a prompt press statement. Rod agreed and advised the club had learnt.
That was one of my questions, jimmy Goulding shrimps trust trustee. Hope that clears the matter up.

COYS


Thanks thats a point not a question and an excellent one in my opinion. Outsider stated there were three Trust member questions so what were they? If your point was a question then what were the other two? Just politely asking.

A polite and serious answer.

If you explain why you want to know, you might find people more forthcoming.

You could have also asked last night for the Trust members to make themselves known to everyone or asked they identify themselves when asking questions.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Knightrider » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:48 pm

mrpotatohead wrote:I can confirm that "Hairy potter" was there looking and sounding quite presentable, reading his questions like "what assurances can the board give me that the players won't get paid late again" ....and the bizarre "can all morecambe fans vote for Tyson Fury at 8pm on saturday".

My personal highlight was the question, "do the club have any plans to build a hotel in order to cash in on the boom from the Eden project!!!"

Jason replied "we cant because the Hurley flyer now stands on the land originally earmarked for a hotel"

A member of our group muttered "why not build one underwater?"..... :lol: :lol:


Your post in my opinion really does highlight why the club need to record and put on you tube what happens. As was stated by from the top table one of our main priorities is to improve communication and transparency.

I'm going to ignore your irrelevant personal comments about Mr Williams but I totally dispute your misquotes. I recorded everything that he said on my mobile phone as I suspected that this would happen on this forum which in my opinion is NOT a reliable source of information which explains to me quite rightly in my opinion why the club does not associate itselfs with.

He said -

"what assurances can the board give that this(referring to the late payment) wont happen again" (you have added "me")

"can all morecambe fans vote for Tyson Fury at 8pm on saturday"
Prior to raising his three :?: Mr Williams stated that he believed everyone in the town and the club wanted the town and the club to thrive. At the close of the forum he made an announcement bringing to the attention of those present that if Tyson Fury was recognised or won the SPOT 2018 award it would be great publicity for the town and the club. He also raised the fact that Tyson was the current bookies favourite. Somebody mentioned that Tyson had been to the Globe to support the club.
Your quote as my recording proves is incorrect all he did was make those present aware of the fact that if they wished to vote for Tyson they could do so by going on the BBCs website and vote and the deadline was 8pm today.

As regards the Hotel :?: just to make it clear Mr Williams did not raise that but it was in my opinion a positive, creative, and constructive :?:
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby mrpotatohead » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:57 pm

I have worked it out ..you are "Nutty Stevens invisible friend"....why don't you use your invisibility and recording gear to locate his inheritance money :lol:
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Knightrider » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:01 pm

mrpotatohead wrote:I knew the identities of every single person in the meeting last night without exception including Mr Williams ...if he is not Knightrider ..then knightrider is actually invisible...you state that Mr Williams was alone...why , as a friend ,were you not sat with him :lol:

Having said that Mr Williams mode of transport Was not "kit" it was actually "sh+t!! :lol:


If that statement is true, which I know it is not, because you dont know me nor do I wish you to. based on the vile personal attacks on others like Evelyn Archer and Mr & Mrs Williams on this forum.

Perhaps you missed me because you need to go to Specsavers. I noticed several people sat alone in JBS bar and also in the Local Choice suite.

If your statement is true then I have absolutely no doubt the new owners will be concerned by it as what you are saying is that no new faces are appearing to support the club. Remember their no. 1 priority is sustainability - in other words if the club continues to be unable to keep its head above the water they will follow the previous owners. Is that what you and your PALS desire PAL?

If they have time to visit and read this forum they may understand one of the reasons why there is a problem with the community NOT supporting the club.

Maybe Rod who visits this forum whom they have placed their trust and faith in will make them aware.

If I were the new owners of the club I would put a statement on the club website and also make a public statement that the club has no association with this website forum and that it deplores non enforcement of its commendable rules of engagement by its moderators/site admin team.

And you dont dispute my claim based on the evidence of my recordings that you have deliberately misquoted Mr Williams. Shame on you PAL.

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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby mrpotatohead » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:14 pm

BINGO!! :lol:
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby outsider » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:58 pm

Questions asked by Trust board members, if my memory is correct as I didn't record it ,
Two were about the FACup defeat, one about the roof over the home end and Jimmy's as he has said.

The trust are there to be approached, they do not go out to force themselves on anyone, If Mr Williams had tried to speak to someone he would have been spoken back to. If he wishes any information the Trust info point is in JBs before and after all games, they don't bite.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby mrpotatohead » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:10 pm

He/they doesn't/don't attend matches :lol:
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Andy D » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:23 pm

Key points

Training ground and community block, venture caravan park offered 250k administrators want 600k, club still hopeful of purchasing at a reasonable cost.

Surprised them not taking the 250k :shock:

Jim keen to tie up our better players on longer contracts, targets for January have been identified.
feel for Jim on this, it makes his job even harder, its only when we tie players down we can then command larger transfer fee's.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Gnasher » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:56 pm

Andy D wrote:Surprised them not taking the 250k :shock:

Stand-off. The administrators know the club really could do with it back and the club know there's very few people would be interested thanks to the access problem. I reckon the admins will win, they're not losing anything by sitting on the price.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby redrobo » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:42 pm

Gnasher wrote:
Andy D wrote:Surprised them not taking the 250k :shock:

Stand-off. The administrators know the club really could do with it back and the club know there's very few people would be interested thanks to the access problem. I reckon the admins will win, they're not losing anything by sitting on the price.


Other than circa £35K a year on the costs of keeping it in administration so we were told last night. Also as and when we get it back it will cost circa £100K to get everything involved back into shape.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Gnasher » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:56 pm

Which means if they accept 400K from the club in 4 years, they are still better off than accepting 250K today.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby mrpotatohead » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:18 pm

Given that Jim wants a training ground, on grass , away from the stadium, to keep things fresh and make match day special for the players, it's a lot of expense buying it back at the moment anyway and we don't have the money.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby KenH » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:41 am

Buy it back and then sell it to a developer with a right of access. Kerching!
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Andy D » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:00 am

KenH wrote:Buy it back and then sell it to a developer with a right of access. Kerching!

Go on Ken :P
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Knightrider » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:15 am

KenH wrote:Buy it back and then sell it to a developer with a right of access. Kerching!


Enjoy reading your respectful non abusive posts KenH and agree with alot you post.

Could you clarify this one - are you being serious or sarcastic?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... m=kerching

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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Knightrider » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:30 am

outsider wrote:Questions asked by Trust board members, if my memory is correct as I didn't record it ,
Two were about the FACup defeat, one about the roof over the home end and Jimmy's as he has said.

The trust are there to be approached, they do not go out to force themselves on anyone, If Mr Williams had tried to speak to someone he would have been spoken back to. If he wishes any information the Trust info point is in JBs before and after all games, they don't bite.


Your patronising comment is understandable now I know who you are thanks to Mr Williams - Gary Hocking, son in law of former City and Town councillor John Day MBE

Mr Williams did approach them and was ignored PAL. I saw it.

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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Gone_Shrimping » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:56 am

KenH wrote:Buy it back and then sell it to a developer with a right of access. Kerching!


Sounds a good plan as long as we retain the land that the community block and Berlin Wall occupy as well as the road round the stadium.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Knightrider » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:34 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EipdAjhImrc

I'm glad I went to the forum as it enabled me to make an informed decision on key issues in my mind - is it worth investing in the Shrimps Trust and handing over more cash to MFC Ltd, have MFC Ltd learnt from past mistakes, will the new owners be able to take the club forward and more importantly do they want to or is there another intention?

My understanding of a football trust is its purpose is to empower fans, give them a voice and be their representative body. I expected all questions at the forum to go through its delegated spokesperson from its members so that everyone present knew it was the Shrimps Trust.

When the meeting was started the board greeted all present and said a friendly hello but got no response, not from a single Trust member. There was a deadly silence and as an "outsider" it was embarrassing and disrespectful in my opinion to the board who looked bemused and uncomfortable with the silence.

A few minutes into the meeting following a couple of questions the board waited for the next question and there was nothing forthcoming to which the board announced well thats it we can all go home now. This prompted some raised hands. There appeared to be a fear in those present asking questions as though they were waiting for someone else to ask them - their Fans trust maybe?

I discussed this with Mr Williams and he agreed with my observation. He also told me he was not going to ask his written questions until he was sure nobody else was going to. This I believe is true as his questions were raised after half way through the forum which appeared to prompt others present to raise more questions which was good to see and well done those that did so.

Having experienced the culture of personal attacks on this forum from in my opinion cowards some of who were present at the forum I can understand why that happened.

I would have expected the Shrimps Trust to have asked what I considered to be the most important question of the evening - Why were the players paid late and what had been put in place to prevent this from happening again. I find it remarkable that the Shrimps Trust did not.

These forum meetings from a communication point of view are in my opinion very important for the football club. The board stated that improving communication is a priority issue.

So were are the minutes of the forum meetings and what date and time is the next meeting a question I would have expected the Fans Trust to raise unless it is already known?

I wont be handing a Trust membership form in with my ten pounds, nor will Mr or Mrs Williams as all myself and Mr Williams discovered - it was just a new source of revenue collection for MFC Ltd and does not empower or give fans a voice. There appears to be no benefit for a fan other than to spend more of their income and receive a badge, car air freshener, membership card and give you shareholder status enabling you to attend the MFC Ltd AGM.

You can attend the forum yourself without handing over any cash and ask the questions yourself as four Trust members did as told on this forum, as the majority, including myself and Mr Williams did. Thats if MFC Ltd and the local press care to notify the town of the date and time of its future fans forum meetings through its websites and on line through social media.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Knightrider » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:00 am

mrpotatohead wrote:I knew the identities of every single person in the meeting last night without exception including Mr Williams ...if he is not Knightrider ..then knightrider is actually invisible...you state that Mr Williams was alone...why , as a friend ,were you not sat with him :lol:

Having said that Mr Williams mode of transport Was not "kit" it was actually "sh+t!! :lol:


Care to name them all then Mr Shepherd or should it be Woody the leader of the "Round up gang"? :lol:
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Knightrider » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:15 am

redtilldead74 wrote:Morecambe FC will be holding their Annual General Meeting next Thursday at 7pm, followed at 7.30pm by a Fans' Forum in the Local Choice Suite at the Globe Arena.

Shareholders only can attend the AGM, but everyone is welcome to the Fans' Forum, so come along to find out all the latest news from MFC directors, chairmen and owners, and feel free to ask them questions. Oh, and the bar will be open.

From 6.30 - 7.30 the same evening in JB's Bar, Shrimps Trust will be holding an open evening for all members and non-members to ask questions about Shrimps Trust. We will also be giving you the opportunity to buy those perfect Christmas presents, by having our 2019 calendar and Shrimps trust beanie hats available for sale!


Time, date, venue of next

(a) fans forum meeting with the board

(b) Shrimps Trust meeting that non members can also attend

And please let us know on line,here and.or on your website when the Club website makes reference to the existence of the Fans Trust and its website which Rod stated would be done as improving communication is a priority issue.

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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby outsider » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:31 am

Knightrider wrote:
outsider wrote:Questions asked by Trust board members, if my memory is correct as I didn't record it ,
Two were about the FACup defeat, one about the roof over the home end and Jimmy's as he has said.

The trust are there to be approached, they do not go out to force themselves on anyone, If Mr Williams had tried to speak to someone he would have been spoken back to. If he wishes any information the Trust info point is in JBs before and after all games, they don't bite.


Your patronising comment is understandable now I know who you are thanks to Mr Williams - Gary Hocking, son in law of former City and Town councillor John Day MBE

Mr Williams did approach them and was ignored PAL. I saw it.

Sardines on toast :lol:



Are you thinking I'm Garry ? You are so wrong PAL it is laughable.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Andy D » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:39 am

Knightrider wrote:I would have expected the Shrimps Trust to have asked what I considered to be the most important question of the evening - Why were the players paid late and what had been put in place to prevent this from happening again. I find it remarkable that the Shrimps Trust did not
I'm sure a few of them knew the players had been warned that payments were going to be a day so probably why the never asked the question to be fair, Hoffster.

I thought about joining the trust, i was gladly making monthly payments to Fcom.

But had second thoughts because of what the Money is being spent on, i'm all for ground improvements roofing behind the home end and carwash stand etc, but im sure £1500+ was spent on training monitor thingy me bobs, call me old fashioned, players can still get fit and train with out them, could of saved that money and put it to better use IMO.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Knightrider » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:47 am

outsider wrote:
Knightrider wrote:
outsider wrote:Questions asked by Trust board members, if my memory is correct as I didn't record it ,
Two were about the FACup defeat, one about the roof over the home end and Jimmy's as he has said.

The trust are there to be approached, they do not go out to force themselves on anyone, If Mr Williams had tried to speak to someone he would have been spoken back to. If he wishes any information the Trust info point is in JBs before and after all games, they don't bite.


Your patronising comment is understandable now I know who you are thanks to Mr Williams - Gary Hocking, son in law of former City and Town councillor John Day MBE

Mr Williams did approach them and was ignored PAL. I saw it.

Sardines on toast :lol:



Are you thinking I'm Garry ? You are so wrong PAL it is laughable.


Apologies if your not the person I have named PAL. Mr Williams told me he saw Gary in JBs bar and reading through your 4000 plus posts what he told me appeared to be correct.
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