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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Knightrider » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:42 am

mrpotatohead wrote:You are of course correct slanester , more lies from Steve , and you're innocent act of pointing out the obvious will result in him accusing you of being a member of the "round up gang", an ancient Masonic style organisation that form small fansites for minor sports teams. :lol: :lol:

He literally has no platform left to perform on except here, I suppose he isn't a danger to anyone and the admin on here let all sorts of folk exercise free speech , which is good, but the man should be on a soap box in Hyde park corner , or join the Jehovah's witnesses :lol:


Well they certainly did not offer that freedom of speech to Mr & Mrs Williams PAL and probably others.

How many posters have your PALS censored to date PAL. Just asking.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Knightrider » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:50 am

Slanester wrote:Are there 2 King George’s field in the area??? I attend matches there every 2nd week, and have never seen an issue with “dog sh!te,” or felt that it has a problem with being too exposed. This is football we are referring to?? It does get waterlogged at times, just the same as any grassed areas locally, including Turners. There must be good reason that MFC do not choose to train there, but the three things mentioned can’t be them.
Can only comment on what I know. Westgate Wanderers, and Westgate Rangers U11, are the top two sides in the area for their age group. Pretty successful in my eyes.


MFC Ltd dont train because that is their choice and I can understand why. They are heavily used due to the fact that there is now a very short supply of public open space recreational areas.

Maybe you dont see the dog sh*te because somebody at the club has cleared the pitch before the game or the area has been made more secure and the council and local residents are pro active in identifying the offenders. I can assure you that when my son played there it was on the pitch and was being picked up when we arrived.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Phil Anderer » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:22 am

As far as I am aware, I have never met Steve 'Knightrider' Williams. Equally, and again to the best of my knowledge, I have never met the so-called 'round-up crew' of Keith Fitton, Brian Sheldon, Mike Gibson, Lee Clark and Dave Frear (apologies if I've spelt anyone's name wrong), but I knew all their names before Steve Williams arrived on the scene, and they have never sought to hide their identities. I also find their posts to be far more balanced and measured, on the whole, than the paranoid, delusional vendetta being pursued by Steve Williams on here, not least because they are capable of posting on a wide variety of topics without it always being about them and the diatribes they want t spew forth. This is the last time I will bother posting in relation to Steve Williams, but I would like to ask him to leave this forum with alacrity, and never return.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Slanester » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:33 am

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Slanester wrote:Are there 2 King George’s field in the area??? I attend matches there every 2nd week, and have never seen an issue with “dog sh!te,” or felt that it has a problem with being too exposed. This is football we are referring to?? It does get waterlogged at times, just the same as any grassed areas locally, including Turners. There must be good reason that MFC do not choose to train there, but the three things mentioned can’t be them.
Can only comment on what I know. Westgate Wanderers, and Westgate Rangers U11, are the top two sides in the area for their age group. Pretty successful in my eyes.


MFC Ltd dont train because that is their choice and I can understand why. They are heavily used due to the fact that there is now a very short supply of public open space recreational areas.

Maybe you dont see the dog sh*te because somebody at the club has cleared the pitch before the game or the area has been made more secure and the council and local residents are pro active in identifying the offenders. I can assure you that when my son played there it was on the pitch and was being picked up when we arrived.


There you go, "all seeing, all knowing." I might be "somebody at the club?" If you are prepared to state something as fact, then you need to be sure it is...."a quagmire, full of dog sh!te." Wrong!!!
Hopefully you are correct in respect to the council and local residents, and long may it continue.

As for MFC not training there, "their choice," determined by factors that only they have concluded.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Sakhalin Shrimp » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:40 am

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I can’t believe you’re not, I know that I am :roll:

You must have a high boredom threshold :lol:
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Keith » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:44 am

So what we know...

Steven Williams attended the forum.
Knightrider attended the forum.
Knightrider saw that Mr Williams was sitting on his own.
Despite being friends, Knightrider chose not to sit with Mr Williams.
However, Knightrider recorded Mr Williams' questions on his recording device, so presumably, sat 'near' but not 'with' Mr Williams.

Perhaps, as they both were interested enough to attend the meeting and both considered, but then dismissed, joining The Trust, due to The Trust being 'unapproachable', we could put this to bed once and for all. I suggest that a couple of Trust committee meet with Mr Williams & Knightrider together and treat them to attendance at the match on Saturday. I'm sure a few of us would be willing to contribute a few quid to cover the ticket price? Knightrider, would you invite Mr Williams to attend the game on Saturday?

Outsider, as everyone on here already knows you, and as a Trust committee member, could you meet Mr Williams & Knightrider? Perhaps arrange a tour of the ground before the game? I'll happily chuck a few quid your way towards the cost of the tickets.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Keith » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:45 am

Sakhalin Shrimp wrote:I can’t believe you’re not, I know that I am :roll:

You must have a high boredom threshold :lol:


Low intellect = high boredom threshold.
High intellect = low boredom threshold.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Knightrider » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:54 am

Phil Anderer wrote:As far as I am aware, I have never met Steve 'Knightrider' Williams. Equally, and again to the best of my knowledge, I have never met the so-called 'round-up crew' of Keith Fitton, Brian Sheldon, Mike Gibson, Lee Clark and Dave Frear (apologies if I've spelt anyone's name wrong), but I knew all their names before Steve Williams arrived on the scene, and they have never sought to hide their identities. I also find their posts to be far more balanced and measured, on the whole, than the paranoid, delusional vendetta being pursued by Steve Williams on here, not least because they are capable of posting on a wide variety of topics without it always being about them and the diatribes they want t spew forth. This is the last time I will bother posting in relation to Steve Williams, but I would like to ask him to leave this forum with alacrity, and never return.


Your post PAL is laughable and sadly adds absolutely zero value to the topic thread. How Mr & Mrs Williams can possibly speak on here when they have had their accounts closed without any notification or reasons being provided to them, their attempts to re- register blocked due to their IP address address being recognised by site admin I dont know. I have met Mr & Mrs Williams also Evelyn Archer and totally disagree with the personal attacks on here of them. I also was at the forum and saw Mr Williams ask :?: I would have expected the Trust or others to have asked. Were you there PAL? I doubt it.

Reading this thread which poster has actually reported more that went on at the forum despite the childish personal attacks? Yours truly Knightrider perhaps?

Rather than attack me and Mr Williams and throw the towel in I would be grateful to hear your viewpoint on the questions raised at the forum by Mr Williams and the responses he received but in particular any constructive comments to help the club get out of the hole the previous management got them into.

That action may be of benefit to the club and would demonstrate that your independent and not a member of the round up gang here PAL. Just giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Thank you.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Knightrider » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:10 am

Keith wrote:So what we know...

Steven Williams attended the forum.
Knightrider attended the forum.
Knightrider saw that Mr Williams was sitting on his own.
Despite being friends, Knightrider chose not to sit with Mr Williams.
However, Knightrider recorded Mr Williams' questions on his recording device, so presumably, sat 'near' but not 'with' Mr Williams.

Perhaps, as they both were interested enough to attend the meeting and both considered, but then dismissed, joining The Trust, due to The Trust being 'unapproachable', we could put this to bed once and for all. I suggest that a couple of Trust committee meet with Mr Williams & Knightrider together and treat them to attendance at the match on Saturday. I'm sure a few of us would be willing to contribute a few quid to cover the ticket price? Knightrider, would you invite Mr Williams to attend the game on Saturday?

Outsider, as everyone on here already knows you, and as a Trust committee member, could you meet Mr Williams & Knightrider? Perhaps arrange a tour of the ground before the game? I'll happily chuck a few quid your way towards the cost of the tickets.


Good morning Keith

Thanks for the invitation which I will e mail to Mr & Mrs Williams.

As regards me no thank you. Having read the non compliant with the commendable forum rules personal attacks on Evelyn Archer RIP and Mr & Mrs Williams on this forum it would be crazy of me to expose myself and my family to the same treatment.

I am happy though to act as Mr & Mrs Williams's anonymous friend.

If I get a response from either of them and they give me permission to post it on here I will.

Could I suggest that you and your PALS attend the next forum meeting at the club as if possible, we will both be there. At least if you do the Toy Story Guy, Woody sorry Mr potato head guy wont be able to misinform and deceive you.

Thank you.

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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Keith » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:38 am

Knightrider wrote:
Keith wrote:Perhaps, as they both were interested enough to attend the meeting and both considered, but then dismissed, joining The Trust, due to The Trust being 'unapproachable', we could put this to bed once and for all. I suggest that a couple of Trust committee meet with Mr Williams & Knightrider together and treat them to attendance at the match on Saturday.


Good morning Keith

Thanks for the invitation which I will e mail to Mr & Mrs Williams.

As regards me no thank you. Having read the non compliant with the commendable forum rules personal attacks on Evelyn Archer RIP and Mr & Mrs Williams on this forum it would be crazy of me to expose myself and my family to the same treatment.


That's a shame. You attending at the same time as Mr Williams is the whole point of "putting to bed once and for all" that you and he are in fact two different people. If one of you aren't able to attend, then clearly that cannot be achieved.

I deliberately suggested someone from The Trust, as they are not 'part of the brotherhood', so you wouldn't be exposing yourself to anything. You wouldn't be meeting Brian, Glen, Mike or myself.

Such a shame. Never mind, if you & Mr Williams decide to both attend a game in the future, let me know, I'm sure Outsider will be happy to arrange a tour of the facilities, which I'm sure you'd find interesting.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby mrpotatohead » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:43 am

I very much doubt that mrs williams would go anywhere with him.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby redrobo » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:46 pm

It's about time knightrider grew a pair and stopped his ridiculous pretence then maybe, just maybe he might be taken seriously.....
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Keith » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:17 pm

It was interesting reading the single thread that "Truth" contributed to. Amazing that it was over ten years ago.

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There were some really interesting posts there and contributions from people who sadly no longer post here, like 'Punkisdead', whatever happened to him? I always enjoyed his posts but think his prediction in Truth's Thread was an interesting one...

PUNKISDEAD wrote:Hello
my opinion is that the midland hotel itself will be flats in the next 3-5 years, urban splash seem to me to be succesful grant winning builders, and not hoteliers, once the building was finished they seem to have had to take on running it in the absence of anyone in the established hotel trade wanting to, i am no expert at all in hotel management or politics but my feeling is that urban splash wanted to hand it over to an established hotel chain on completion, anyway, if it fails as a hotel it could be developed into flats, i suppose.... but who would take on that task..???

I know, what about...somebody like ...URBAN SPLASH!!!


I took my wife to The Midland for her 50th birthday. We had a lovely room with glorious views of the sun setting, then a delightful dinner with friends. It was excellent, highly recommend it both as a hotel and a restaurant. I've stayed there three times in total. It's good to see that there are now other high quality hotels developing in the town, such as The Morecambe Hotel, although I've not had a chance to stay there. The Royal in Heysham Village is excellent too. Amazing that a decade ago, people were still objecting to the bypass and saying it wouldn't make getting to the M6 any easier! Yet more great predictions...

It is a real shame that Evelyn never got to see her beloved Winter Gardens back to former glory, or even the promised restaurant open. I'm not being even slightly sarcastic, I mean that quite genuinely. I disagreed with her and her policies, but no-one could ever doubt that her love for the building and dedication to it.

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Well they certainly did not offer that freedom of speech to Mr & Mrs Williams PAL and probably others.

How many posters have your PALS censored to date PAL. Just asking.


While it was quite nostalgic, I think it was made very clear why that thread was shut down. In fact, Mr Williams was told quite clearly that it would happen.

As an aside, it is quite interesting re-reading that decade old thread. Your writing style and Mr Williams' style are very similar with phrases that closely resemble each others. Have you been friends for a long time? I was left wondering if you went to the same school together, as that may have influenced your approaches?
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Seasider9601 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:28 pm

They both certainly spell the words paid/payed and your/you're the exact same way....

And from a post made by "Truth" back in 2008 on the link Keith kindly copied.....

"Phoenix your bringing this website into disrepute."

Notice the spelling of "you're" as your? And alleging of bringing the forum into disrepute?

One and the same.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Posh » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:10 pm

Knightrider wrote:Evelyn Archer informed me that you were Secretary when she was in the party so presumably you progressed to Chair. She certainly told me some interesting things about you and the local Labour party and local politics.


She knew sod all. She inhabited the same fantasy land of nostalgia and nonsense you live in.

Knightrider wrote:Mr Williams has sent me details of your allegation on this forum about him. I believe he is telling the truth and you are not. Your account is not the same as you wrote on this forum over 10 years ago.


Oh it definitely happened.

Knightrider wrote:As for the Bermuda Triangle being responsible for Blobbygate Mr W has forwarded me the District Auditors Clive Portmans 135 page summary of his findings which I'm wading through. His final summary is the most damning report I have ever read of a public authority administration which as you know was Labour led. Were you in the party then. Mr W has told me you certainly will have been Chair when the final report which took five years to produce and cost City Council tax payers 500k was published.


Get a life. Seriously.

"The most damning report I have ever read". That'll be one report then. If you've read it then you won't repeat the same lies that Trisha Heath and the MBIs did.

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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Sakhalin Shrimp » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:25 pm

Keith wrote:
Sakhalin Shrimp wrote:I can’t believe you’re not, I know that I am :roll:

You must have a high boredom threshold :lol:


Low intellect = high boredom threshold.
High intellect = low boredom threshold.


Sorry, no disrespect intended. Perhaps I should have said "more tolerant" :lol:
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Keith » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:15 pm

Sakhalin Shrimp wrote:
Keith wrote:
Sakhalin Shrimp wrote:I can’t believe you’re not, I know that I am :roll:

You must have a high boredom threshold :lol:


Low intellect = high boredom threshold.
High intellect = low boredom threshold.


Sorry, no disrespect intended. Perhaps I should have said "more tolerant" :lol:


:lol: No disrespect was taken! :lol:
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Keith » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:17 pm

Seasider9601 wrote:They both certainly spell the words paid/payed and your/you're the exact same way....

And from a post made by "Truth" back in 2008 on the link Keith kindly copied.....

"Phoenix your bringing this website into disrepute."

Notice the spelling of "you're" as your? And alleging of bringing the forum into disrepute?

One and the same.


That's why I thought it must be the same school. It would be a bit sad (and not to mention a big fib) if they were indeed the same person, having said repeatedly that they weren't. Same school, long time friends. That's the only logical answer.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Bare bum » Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:51 pm

Shame really. There's clearly a lot of time and effort gone into these posts. And there's nothing wrong with scrutiny. In fact, some of the questions about wasting public funds and politician / business collusion are valid questions. Some folk might have been interested or swayed had the argument been more coherent (and backed with real or any evidence). Knightrider is clearly passionate about what he or she or ze believes but it all evaporates for me once the sinister stuff emerges.
By sinister
I mean the use of the words PAL and PALS only to people who disagree or criticise or defend a position (for me that can read quite menacing);
the relish in which people are named and personal details posted - as if somehow a valuable public service is being provided exposing a secret and self-serving cartel when most of us here know different about those individuals named (for me that contains an element of spite and unpleasantness);
the toying around and shifting of identity is in itself disturbing on a psychiatric basis - in fact I had become a little disconcerted by Knightrider's music link to the final countdown before setting off to the meeting at the club last week. It occurred to me this also sounded very, very menacing.

I do hope the indicated menace is only an ill-conceived expression of frustration and not something more sociopathic. Perhaps you could re-assure me there KR?

If this person wants to be an effective communicator and defender of the public good then in future they need to take heed of how better to win friends and more importantly influence people..........For me it's too late this time
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Andy D » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:10 pm

Thread needs closing now, its just got too bitchy with people washing dirty laundry in public.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Westgate Wanderer » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:02 pm

Andy D wrote:Thread needs closing now, its just got too bitchy with people washing dirty laundry in public.
awww,i enjoy reading this with me popcorn! There's not much on the telly, wasn't Knighrider cancelled? :D
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby outsider » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:23 pm

Outsider, as everyone on here already knows you, and as a Trust committee member, could you meet Mr Williams & Knightrider? Perhaps arrange a tour of the ground before the game? I'll happily chuck a few quid your way towards the cost of the tickets.


I am no longer a Trust board member, but remain a Trust member, I would have no problem meeting and greeting either or both, I'm sure I could also arrange a tour for them. If they wish to do this discreetly, they can always PM me on here.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Keith » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:18 pm

outsider wrote:I am no longer a Trust board member...


Sorry mate, I missed that happening.
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby Knightrider » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:36 pm

Bare bum wrote:Shame really. There's clearly a lot of time and effort gone into these posts. And there's nothing wrong with scrutiny. In fact, some of the questions about wasting public funds and politician / business collusion are valid questions. Some folk might have been interested or swayed had the argument been more coherent (and backed with real or any evidence). Knightrider is clearly passionate about what he or she or ze believes but it all evaporates for me once the sinister stuff emerges.
By sinister
I mean the use of the words PAL and PALS only to people who disagree or criticise or defend a position (for me that can read quite menacing);
the relish in which people are named and personal details posted - as if somehow a valuable public service is being provided exposing a secret and self-serving cartel when most of us here know different about those individuals named (for me that contains an element of spite and unpleasantness);
the toying around and shifting of identity is in itself disturbing on a psychiatric basis - in fact I had become a little disconcerted by Knightrider's music link to the final countdown before setting off to the meeting at the club last week. It occurred to me this also sounded very, very menacing.

I do hope the indicated menace is only an ill-conceived expression of frustration and not something more sociopathic. Perhaps you could re-assure me there KR?

If this person wants to be an effective communicator and defender of the public good then in future they need to take heed of how better to win friends and more importantly influence people..........For me it's too late this time


Your first paragraph in my opinion is commendable then as Mr Williams mentioned to me at our first meeting having read some of my posts before I met him your getting the usual establishment technique personal attacks in order to maintain and protect the status quo; i.e those in control and added just as he and Mrs Williams did before the club had its heart ripped out and what could the fatal move was instigated -

(a) playing the man not the ball, and
(b) shooting the messenger

He informed me that the Principal Objector to Blobbygate, Brigadier Mike Ford told him this. Something he has not forgotten from a "genius and remarkable man"

The rest of your post uses the above establishment technique and replicates the personal attacks by the majority on here, circa ten posters if that. I refer to them as the round up gang which based on the evidence of your post you appear to be in - my opinion.

I have not come here to win friends, nor did I or Mr Williams attend the forum to win friends. We have one thing in common we are both passionate about Morecambe and want to see MFC Ltd survive and get out of the hole the previous management put it in.

You really need to carefully analyse the evidence. Most of the posters expend their limited energy on trying to find out who Knightrider is when what is really important is the message, knowing the truth, learning from it and mistakes and evolving positively and progressing. Who the messenger is in my opinion irrelevant.

Your vile offensive indication that I have a mental health problem is typical of that establishment tactic used by the offenders and non compliant posters. Thanks for your concern but I'm fine thank you.

As regards "menacing" and "unpleasantness" how ironic and pot and kettle springs to mind. If you actually read the non compliant with the forum rules posters here they are menacing - Simply Red - "take a look in the mirror baby"

Then we have in my opinion the no. 1 menace and bully on this forum Mr Brian Sheldon, monickers on this forum Gnasher, Phoenix et al ( Mr Potato Head? or they may just be his apprentice!).
But whats really ironic regarding your strong word "menace" is that in the Beano COMIC the main characters were Denis the Menace and Gnasher. You really couldnt make it up. :lol:
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Re: MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

Postby mrpotatohead » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:05 pm

Gnasher stopped playing a few days ago Steven, everyone knows who you are and no, you aren't paranoid, they really are all laughing at you.
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