MFC Fan's Forum and Trust open meeting

[Knightrider]

Outsider, as everyone on here already knows you, and as a Trust committee member, could you meet Mr Williams & Knightrider? Perhaps arrange a tour of the ground before the game? I'll happily chuck a few quid your way towards the cost of the tickets.

I am no longer a Trust board member, but remain a Trust member, I would have no problem meeting and greeting either or both, I'm sure I could also arrange a tour for them. If they wish to do this discreetly, they can always PM me on here.

Thanks for your kind invitation and clarification of your association with the Trust outsider.

My response to your invitation is no thank you for the same reason provided at 11-10am above on this thread to Site Admin and Forum host Mr Keith Fitton who believed you were a board member. I will inform the victims of abuse and censorship of this forum Mr & Mrs Williams of your kind offer.

Any particular reason why you stood down as a Trustee and or Committee member?

The Trust website identifies here who the Trustees are but sadly NOT who is on the committee which is in my opinion not helpful especially in view of the clubs board mentioning at the forum that improving communication was a priority issue.

https://shrimpstrust.co.uk/the-trust/tr ... d-comittee

Is the Shrimps Trust a registered limited corporate company?

[Knightrider]

Thread needs closing now, its just got too bitchy with people washing dirty laundry in public.

I think the round up gang would be delighted with your disappointing suggestion just when it was getting interesting despite their continuing vile personal attacks and attempts to take the thread off topic.

But reading other closed threads that sadly appears to be par for the course here.

[mrpotatohead]

Good stuff Steve , keep it coming, are you and Fred still going to "jobclub" together?

[Knightrider]

It was interesting reading the single thread that "Truth" contributed to. Amazing that it was over ten years ago.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=67

There were some really interesting posts there and contributions from people who sadly no longer post here, like 'Punkisdead', whatever happened to him? I always enjoyed his posts but think his prediction in Truth's Thread was an interesting one...

Hello
my opinion is that the midland hotel itself will be flats in the next 3-5 years, urban splash seem to me to be succesful grant winning builders, and not hoteliers, once the building was finished they seem to have had to take on running it in the absence of anyone in the established hotel trade wanting to, i am no expert at all in hotel management or politics but my feeling is that urban splash wanted to hand it over to an established hotel chain on completion, anyway, if it fails as a hotel it could be developed into flats, i suppose.... but who would take on that task..???

I know, what about...somebody like ...URBAN SPLASH!!!

I took my wife to The Midland for her 50th birthday. We had a lovely room with glorious views of the sun setting, then a delightful dinner with friends. It was excellent, highly recommend it both as a hotel and a restaurant. I've stayed there three times in total. It's good to see that there are now other high quality hotels developing in the town, such as The Morecambe Hotel, although I've not had a chance to stay there. The Royal in Heysham Village is excellent too. Amazing that a decade ago, people were still objecting to the bypass and saying it wouldn't make getting to the M6 any easier! Yet more great predictions...

It is a real shame that Evelyn never got to see her beloved Winter Gardens back to former glory, or even the promised restaurant open. I'm not being even slightly sarcastic, I mean that quite genuinely. I disagreed with her and her policies, but no-one could ever doubt that her love for the building and dedication to it.

Well they certainly did not offer that freedom of speech to Mr & Mrs Williams PAL and probably others.

How many posters have your PALS censored to date PAL. Just asking.

While it was quite nostalgic, I think it was made very clear why that thread was shut down. In fact, Mr Williams was told quite clearly that it would happen.

As an aside, it is quite interesting re-reading that decade old thread. Your writing style and Mr Williams' style are very similar with phrases that closely resemble each others. Have you been friends for a long time? I was left wondering if you went to the same school together, as that may have influenced your approaches?

Its not clear to me why that thread was closed down Keith, but as you and PALS allege that I am mentally unwell, please do tell me and I will convey the information to your censorship victims Mr & Mrs Williams.

Action you would NOT associate with this commendable statement (key words enlarged by me)

https://shrimpstrust.co.uk/

STRONGER TOGETHER

“To help, maintain and support the presence of an outstanding and sustainable professional football club in the town of Morecambe by being the democratic and representative voice of the supporters of the club which, through its actions, strengthens the bonds between the club, the fans and the communities it serves”

[Knightrider]

Good stuff Steve , keep it coming, are you and Fred still going to "jobclub" together?

Another off topic comment.

You need to ask Mr Williams that question yourself and the criminal [EDITED OUT].

When I met Mr Williams he told me he was a consultant QS. I do know what happened to Mr Williams and it is so sad and tragic.

He stupidly put his faith and trust in a person he truly believed was a friend but as [EDITED OUT] family discovered over 100k of their inheritance lost and rightly told Mr Williams that the criminal was a "predator" who manipulated and preyed on vulnerable people like their father who had dementia.

Why did you not ask him on Thursday at the forum or are you a spineless coward?

[Knightrider]

4,515 views on this thread so far and obviously the majority from the round up gang.

As the evidence of my posts show in seeking information I ask alot of questions which sadly are ignored the prime reason for that in my opinion due to the instructions from the the leaders of the gang/pack on this forum.

Just like Mr & Mrs Williams did I have sustained adult bullying of the highest order at a time of the year, xmas, when it is supposed to be a time of "goodwill"

In my opinion those responsible for the hole that Morecambe FC are in are those who made it possible Wright & Lord solicitors, Lancaster City Council but above all those that have steered the ship on its course since 2005 the Club Directors practically all of whom have jumped ship due to the dire financial consequences of moving ground in a badly planned operation with no viable business plan in place. They gambled, not with their own money, but public money which materialised from the underselling of a public asset - the land at Westgate. I find that absolutely deplorable.

Some posters on here and in the town refer to the curse of Christie to explain the clubs plight and what has happened such as the deaths of those Directors who have died since the move. Nonsense in my opinion.

I asked a question earlier about the whether the Trust was a registered company and have received no response - ignorance or Trust members just dont know?

Looking at the content of the Trust website it is not. On the table in JBs bar on Thursday there was a glossy leaflet "Information leaflet" with a nomination form for the legends wall. in it it states Shrimps Trust Morecambe FC - Shrimps Supporters Ltd, 63 Victoria Str, Morecambe LA4 4AF. But this information is not on their website nor does any postal address appear on their contact us link.

https://shrimpstrust.co.uk/contact-us

Why not?

The company is a registered limited company
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/RS007485

yet there are absolutely no details or information about it. So how has the application been processed and validated by Companies House if the applicant has not completed the details on the registration form?

But what I find most interesting of all is the postal address of the company of the leaflet - the address of
the Wright & Lord solicitors Morecambe branch, not the new home of the club - the Globe Arena.

[Knightrider]

4,515 views on this thread so far and obviously the majority from the round up gang.

As the evidence of my posts show in seeking information I ask alot of questions which sadly are ignored the prime reason for that in my opinion due to the instructions from the the leaders of the gang/pack on this forum.

Just like Mr & Mrs Williams did I have sustained adult bullying of the highest order at a time of the year, xmas, when it is supposed to be a time of "goodwill"

In my opinion those responsible for the hole that Morecambe FC are in are those who made it possible Wright & Lord solicitors, Lancaster City Council but above all those that have steered the ship on its course since 2005 the Club Directors practically all of whom have jumped ship due to the dire financial consequences of moving ground in a badly planned operation with no viable business plan in place. They gambled, not with their own money, but public money which materialised from the underselling of a public asset - the land at Westgate. I find that absolutely deplorable.

Some posters on here and in the town refer to the curse of Christie to explain the clubs plight and what has happened such as the deaths of those Directors who were key players in the move since the move. Nonsense in my opinion.

I asked a question earlier about the whether the Trust was a registered company and have received no response - ignorance or Trust members/fans/the towns community/the club management just dont know?

Looking at the content of the Trust website it is not. On the table in JBs bar on Thursday there was a glossy leaflet "Information leaflet" with a nomination form for the legends wall. in it it states Shrimps Trust Morecambe FC - Shrimps Supporters Ltd, 63 Victoria Str, Morecambe LA4 4AF. But this information is not on their website nor does any postal address appear on their contact us link.

https://shrimpstrust.co.uk/contact-us

Why not?

The company is a registered limited company
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/RS007485

yet there are absolutely no details or information about it. So how has the application been processed and validated by Companies House if the applicant has not completed the details on the registration form?

But what I find most interesting of all is the postal address of the company of the leaflet - the address of
the Wright & Lord solicitors Morecambe branch, not the new home of the club - the Globe Arena.

So it looks like the Trust has been set up as a business and nobody knows who its officers are other than those who completed the registration form, presumably Wright & Lord solicitors.

[Bare bum]

Your first paragraph in my opinion is commendable then as Mr Williams mentioned to me at our first meeting having read some of my posts before I met him your getting the usual establishment technique personal attacks in order to maintain and protect the status quo; i.e those in control and added just as he and Mrs Williams did before the club had its heart ripped out and what could the fatal move was instigated -

(a) playing the man not the ball, and
(b) shooting the messenger

He informed me that the Principal Objector to Blobbygate, Brigadier Mike Ford told him this. Something he has not forgotten from a "genius and remarkable man"

The rest of your post uses the above establishment technique and replicates the personal attacks by the majority on here, circa ten posters if that. I refer to them as the round up gang which based on the evidence of your post you appear to be in - my opinion.

I have not come here to win friends, nor did I or Mr Williams attend the forum to win friends. We have one thing in common we are both passionate about Morecambe and want to see MFC Ltd survive and get out of the hole the previous management put it in.

You really need to carefully analyse the evidence. Most of the posters expend their limited energy on trying to find out who Knightrider is when what is really important is the message, knowing the truth, learning from it and mistakes and evolving positively and progressing. Who the messenger is in my opinion irrelevant.

Your vile offensive indication that I have a mental health problem is typical of that establishment tactic used by the offenders and non compliant posters. Thanks for your concern but I'm fine thank you.

As regards "menacing" and "unpleasantness" how ironic and pot and kettle springs to mind. If you actually read the non compliant with the forum rules posters here they are menacing - Simply Red - "take a look in the mirror baby"

Then we have in my opinion the no. 1 menace and bully on this forum Mr Brian Sheldon, monickers on this forum Gnasher, Phoenix et al ( Mr Potato Head? or they may just be his apprentice!).
But whats really ironic regarding your strong word "menace" is that in the Beano COMIC the main characters were Denis the Menace and Gnasher. You really couldnt make it up.

No, I'm not in a gang. There isn't one, Knightrider.
My main point, which you have either missed or chosen to ignore is that if you want to change opinions and get your message accross (influence people) then you need to substantially change your approach.

You say
what is really important is the message, knowing the truth, learning from it and mistakes and evolving positively and progressing.
If you really believe that then you need to try and absorb this free feedback from a free thinking punter. Learn from it and evolve positively and progress.
Maybe if you step back and think about it the criticism of you on this site could have nothing to do with a concerted and co-ordinated gang driven personal attack - it might just be that it's a bunch of individuals responding to things you say. Have you considered that?

I knew Mike Ford, did you, Knightrider?

Menace is just a word I chose to describe how some of your posts here and comments made me feel. It's as ironic as "rain on your wedding day" - that is, not ironic at all.

Finally, it's not vile and offensive to have mental health problems. We all have them at some time, to a larger or lesser degree.

That's me done too.

[Gnasher]

My last ever reply to Steven and only because of the misleading post above, "absolutely no details".

The Trust is exactly that, a Trust. If you bothered to read the Companies House link you posted, you will very clearly see a link to the Financial Conduct Authority, through which all Trusts are created. Their site has full details of the Trust. Trusts do not have the same Companies House record as a normal.Ltd company.

Fact.

Goodbye.

[Knightrider]

Your first paragraph in my opinion is commendable then as Mr Williams mentioned to me at our first meeting having read some of my posts before I met him your getting the usual establishment technique personal attacks in order to maintain and protect the status quo; i.e those in control and added just as he and Mrs Williams did before the club had its heart ripped out and what could the fatal move was instigated -

(a) playing the man not the ball, and
(b) shooting the messenger

He informed me that the Principal Objector to Blobbygate, Brigadier Mike Ford told him this. Something he has not forgotten from a "genius and remarkable man"

The rest of your post uses the above establishment technique and replicates the personal attacks by the majority on here, circa ten posters if that. I refer to them as the round up gang which based on the evidence of your post you appear to be in - my opinion.

I have not come here to win friends, nor did I or Mr Williams attend the forum to win friends. We have one thing in common we are both passionate about Morecambe and want to see MFC Ltd survive and get out of the hole the previous management put it in.

You really need to carefully analyse the evidence. Most of the posters expend their limited energy on trying to find out who Knightrider is when what is really important is the message, knowing the truth, learning from it and mistakes and evolving positively and progressing. Who the messenger is in my opinion irrelevant.

Your vile offensive indication that I have a mental health problem is typical of that establishment tactic used by the offenders and non compliant posters. Thanks for your concern but I'm fine thank you.

As regards "menacing" and "unpleasantness" how ironic and pot and kettle springs to mind. If you actually read the non compliant with the forum rules posters here they are menacing - Simply Red - "take a look in the mirror baby"

Then we have in my opinion the no. 1 menace and bully on this forum Mr Brian Sheldon, monickers on this forum Gnasher, Phoenix et al ( Mr Potato Head? or they may just be his apprentice!).
But whats really ironic regarding your strong word "menace" is that in the Beano COMIC the main characters were Denis the Menace and Gnasher. You really couldnt make it up.

No, I'm not in a gang. There isn't one, Knightrider.
My main point, which you have either missed or chosen to ignore is that if you want to change opinions and get your message accross (influence people) then you need to substantially change your approach.

You say
what is really important is the message, knowing the truth, learning from it and mistakes and evolving positively and progressing.
If you really believe that then you need to try and absorb this free feedback from a free thinking punter. Learn from it and evolve positively and progress.
Maybe if you step back and think about it the criticism of you on this site could have nothing to do with a concerted and co-ordinated gang driven personal attack - it might just be that it's a bunch of individuals responding to things you say. Have you considered that?

I knew Mike Ford, did you, Knightrider?

Menace is just a word I chose to describe how some of your posts here and comments made me feel. It's as ironic as "rain on your wedding day" - that is, not ironic at all.

Finally, it's not vile and offensive to have mental health problems. We all have them at some time, to a larger or lesser degree.

That's me done too.

I did not know Mike Ford,the principal objector, to Blobbygate but Mr Williams was introduced to him through the Editor of the Lancaster & Morecambe Citizen, Greg Morgan.

I'm not here to change opinions. I'm here to provide factual information which is kept out of the public domain by the PERPS.

So please do tell us what approach whistleblowers need to make PAL.

As regards your final paragraph what is vile and offensive is for non qualified healthcare posters to come on a public forum make a diagnosis that because they dont like the post the poster has made is mentally ill/unwell and to personally attack/bully them. Its derogatory, defamatory character assassination and it is in my opinion a vile establishment practice.

[Knightrider]

My last ever reply to Steven and only because of the misleading post above, "absolutely no details".

The Trust is exactly that, a Trust. If you bothered to read the Companies House link you posted, you will very clearly see a link to the Financial Conduct Authority, through which all Trusts are created. Their site has full details of the Trust. Trusts do not have the same Companies House record as a normal.Ltd company.

Fact.

Goodbye.

No detail provided - no transparency

Thanks for identifying your a key player still.

[Knightrider]

Oh and before I forget Brian Sheldon you mainly as well as your PALS slagged off Evelyn Archer on this forum and rightly, in my opinion, criticised her for not informing the 10% of the public who signed her petition which created Morecambe Town Council that there was a cost to it.

So my question to you and your PALS is this -

Before the current members handed over their ten smackers and registration form were they informed that it was a business and who the Officers were. Or were they kept in the dark and their trust was breached?

Based on the information and the skulduggery I have exposed I dont trust the TRUST.

[mrpotatohead]

Crawl back under the rock you came from steve..everyone knows the trust are a bunch of decent fans who want the best for MFC.. you are acting in the interests of what??... a sad lonely paranoid worm...

[redrobo]

Really is time for this idiot to be given his marching orders from SVs especially as he's now having a pop at the Trust which is doing an excellent job on behalf of our club.

He continues to hijack this thread. Bet Christmas Day in his household is a bundle of fun....

[Keith]

I apologise, you are correct Steven, I did remove your access to the forum previously. It was reading the ten year old thread again yesterday that reminded me.

And it is going to happen again.

The original, ten year old threads, both explained quite clearly why your account was disabled previously.

There were warnings, but you are too arrogant to take them on-board. You've returned a decade later, again, pretending to be someone else. Same style, same ranting against a 'brotherhood' or some kind of clique. And, once again, personal attacks on posters, trust, club and me.

For the record, it is once again, naming someone and accusing them of a crime for which they do not appear to have been convicted that has finally pushed things over the edge. That is a potentially serious offence. You were told, in no uncertain terms to stop. But you believe you have a right, as you did a decade ago, to do whatever you want.

You don't support the club. You are offensive and paranoid.

In case you missed it Steven, from a few days ago...

Stephen, I'm not your lackey, you don't whistle for me to jump. I'm letting most of your paranoid delusions ramble past at the moment, although I will eventually get bored with the nonsense.

As for the people with passwords changed. I don't need to change passwords, I simply disable the account. I'm not exactly hard to find. If people have a problem logging on, they can contact me, many people do.

I've cleaned up your posts again. DO NOT POST ALLEGATIONS OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, NAMING PEOPLE WHO YOU BELIEVE WERE INVOLVED, WITHOUT A LINK TO A NEWS ORGANISATION REPORTING & CONFIRMING THE STORY.

Oh, and no, I'm not AccyKeith...

For everyone else, Steven has left the forum.
Again.

[captain sparkle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uVcxuyzu-8

[Seasider9601]

Well done Keith. Good decision there sir.

Farewell Steven. Don't let the door bang you on the arse as you leave.

[redrobo]

Breaking up is so hard to do......BUT in this case it's OUTSTANDING....

[Slanester]

Had to happen in the end Keith. K just wasn’t able to conduct a sensible, balanced debate or discussion on any issue.
That aside, hope he finds some seasonal cheer.

[Ntini]

Can I just take the opportunity to thank Keith for providing the supporters of Morecambe FC with a platform to discuss topics (occasionally they're even ON topic!) and air our views about the club we love for so many years now.

It's a shame when people can't control their emotions, overstep the mark and action has to be taken. Perhaps Steven will one day return to contribute within the house rules, who knows? I know people have had their issues on here over the years, but our thanks go to Keith and also to the mods who help make sure SVs continues.

Onwards and upwards.

[Keith]

Thanks folks, and in particular Ntini for those kind words. I always try and let things go as much as possible and I think I'm reasonably relaxed about people having a pop at me personally, but sometimes people need protecting from themselves.

One thing though, it certainly spiced the forum up for a few days.

[mrpotatohead]

I like to think I'm a "cards to the chest", sort of chap, live and let live and all that, but now he's gone, I will admit, I didn't much care for him!!

[black morse]

I like to think I'm a "cards to the chest", sort of chap, live and let live and all that, but now he's gone, I will admit, I didn't much care for him!!

[Phil Anderer]

I'd like to echo Ntini's comments. I'm actually quite glad Knightrider's gone. It was becoming quite unpleasant on here, and I for one didn't find it entertaining. I know people have their disagreements at times, and some even accuse mods of censoring them, although the fact that their posts remain is proof to the contrary, and amusing therefore in itself, but unlike with Knightrider, these things pass and we move on. So three cheers for Keith, and maybe another couple for his 'gorgeous young assistants'.

[Morecambe Jack]

My opinion (in a personal capacity) is that the Trust didn't need or want to get into a slanging match with this individual about what the Trust is seeking to achieve, or what steps it is taking to meet its objectives. It is clear from this thread that as soon as you say anything that doesn't accord with his views, you were targeted.

If anyone, Trust member or not, has any questions about the Trust - I'm sure any Trustee would be willing to answer those questions. Everyone is volunteering their time, alongside full time jobs in most cases, and trying their hardest.

In the meantime here are some quick answers to clear up some of the points raised as I am conscious that often things written on here can be taken as gospel or stir further confusion:

1. Registered address - this is C/O Wright and Lord Solicitors as the Trust needed an address independent of the Club. It is not always publicised as email contact is preferred for quicker responses.

2. Entity type - Brian is correct. The Trust is a Community Benefit Society registered and regulated by the FCA (and Supporters Direct). Details are on the mutual register but are not on Companies House, where they are not required.

3. Officers - the officers of the Trust are the Trustees - all listed on the website. Committee's are informally in place to support the Trustees - but these are unelected and ultimately make no decisions. Outsider, for instance, has never chosen to stand as a trustee of the Shrimps Trust legal entity, but has been kind enough to support and assist the Trustees through various groups/committees (and continues to do so).

4. Trust being a "business" - it is a Society of which any paid up member is a shareholder but not entitled to dividend. It's assets are locked for its community benefit objectives.

5. The Club has now agreed to add a link to our website from theirs. We have never seen this as a big issue as we get much more traffic to social media platforms now than the website - welcome to 2018.

6. Regarding what income is raised for/spent on: A survey was done of members where the top items were ranked from responses - the top item was a cover behind the home end. Trustees are there to act in the members interests and for any expenditure over a certain level, approval is obtained from the membership in any case.

The first accounts for the Trust are on the website and give a comprehensive review of the period and how the Trust is set up and constituted. They are also (IMO) the most transparent set of accounts produced by any Supporters Trust in the country.

https://shrimpstrust.co.uk/wp-content/u ... dverts.pdf