EFL..IN or OUT?

Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby Ntini » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:07 am

What a joke. Have you done the maths? Bigger fish in a smaller pond? What planet do you live on? :roll:

There always has been, and always will be, a general trend that the higher the league, the higher the attendances. There will always be a group of football loving people in our area that will never enjoy lower league football week-in week-out, but may come along if we were a league higher. Likewise there are many that currently come who may not want to watch Conference football and so we'd lose them no matter what we served up on the pitch. We would have a smaller average attendance than we do now with less money coming in from external sources such as the EFL etc. That means a smaller playing budget, yet somehow we're going to be a 'big fish'? :lol:

Wake up and smell the coffee. Have bad decisions been made along our journey? Yes. However, we are where we are. What we need is to offer some good deals for the next three home games (3 full price home games in 8 days? That's a lot for anyone to afford). We need to market the club better and then back it up with some decent football on the pitch. We've shown with some of the recent performances that we can play well. We just need to finish the season strongly and then see what happens in the summer.
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby John L » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:54 am

If only we, as fans, had the choice! The team does, though, so we need to get behind them and hope they have enough in them to keep us up. However, if we do get relegated at some stage, I will still support the club as I have done for the last 15 years, the first four of which were in the Conference. Of course, I want us to be playing as high up the pyramid as possible, but it all boils down to having a club to support and games to watch, whichever league we're in.
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby Christies Child » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:03 pm

Thanks to all those who expressed a view. It certainly sounds like it that the majority want us to stay in the EFL come what may, which must be encouraging for any future take over that has been hinted at by one supporter.

IF we can get the clubs finances sorted and the off field problems such as training facility resolved then there would appear to be an EFL future for our club BUT my remaining concern is the financial position which may become more serious before it is (fingers crossed) resolved.

The current financial position of our club is my biggest worry going forward and the club's survival whatever the league status is paramount.
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby marky No.1 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:17 pm

Christies Child wrote:Thanks to all those who expressed a view. It certainly sounds like it that the majority want us to stay in the EFL come what may, which must be encouraging for any future take over that has been hinted at by one supporter.


You have to be careful of 'majority' when you are taking the views of 18-20 people on here as the majority are those not here
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby BerlinWaller » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:21 pm

There is being in the FL and being competitive or there is being in the FL and being a perennial struggler.

How many new fans have come since 2007 due to our league status? How many have we lost because of the poor performances?

Of course I want to see us play at the highest level possible but just surviving is horrible.
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby Christies Child » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:20 pm

marky No.1 wrote:
Christies Child wrote:Thanks to all those who expressed a view. It certainly sounds like it that the majority want us to stay in the EFL come what may, which must be encouraging for any future take over that has been hinted at by one supporter.


You have to be careful of 'majority' when you are taking the views of 18-20 people on here as the majority are those not here


True... but the majority who did express an opinion are strongly in the remain camp.
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby Phil Anderer » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:28 pm

Christies Child wrote:
marky No.1 wrote:
Christies Child wrote:Thanks to all those who expressed a view. It certainly sounds like it that the majority want us to stay in the EFL come what may, which must be encouraging for any future take over that has been hinted at by one supporter.


You have to be careful of 'majority' when you are taking the views of 18-20 people on here as the majority are those not here


True... but the majority who did express an opinion are strongly in the remain camp.


Same was true in opinion polls before the Brexit referendum, and see how that turned out. ;)
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby George Dawes » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:11 pm

In the FL, crowds won't improve dropping down divisions.

For me if the Ground is safe with the Trust, I'd like us as supporters to try and fund an under cover area behind the home end, just a basic cladded no frills roof to protect people against the rain will do the job.

And when that jobs done move on to look at roofing on the Berlin Wall stand.

Basically trouble shoot the reasons for failing attendances, so then after the ground is sorted it's then down to 2 factors pricing or home form or both.

The battle for me and any new owner is we need more fans attending home matches to become self sufficient.
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby Keith » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:34 pm

So some people are wanting to swap competitive games against the likes of Blackpool & Portsmouth for Chorley & Lancaster? Okay, that makes sense.
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby NPL Daze » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:25 am

Keith wrote:So some people are wanting to swap competitive games against the likes of Blackpool & Portsmouth for Chorley & Lancaster? Okay, that makes sense.


Exactly Keith.

Take your pick for away days:

Wolves, PNE, Sheffield United, Portsmouth, Blackpool, Luton, Coventry....

or......

Frickley, Mossley, Spennymoor, Emley, Buxton etc......

Hmmmmmmm. Tough one........ :roll:

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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby Gone_Shrimping » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:44 am

NPL Daze wrote:
Keith wrote:So some people are wanting to swap competitive games against the likes of Blackpool & Portsmouth for Chorley & Lancaster? Okay, that makes sense.


Exactly Keith.

Take your pick for away days:

Wolves, PNE, Sheffield United, Portsmouth, Blackpool, Luton, Coventry....

or......

Frickley, Mossley, Spennymoor, Emley, Buxton etc......

Hmmmmmmm. Tough one........ :roll:

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Agreed , better to be in it than out.

The League Cup ties , beating Wolves twice , beating PNE at Deepdale , Coventry , Newcastle United , Bournemouth , Rotherham , Barnsley etc. You can kiss goodbye to those games if the club loses its league status.

It would be back to the LFA Trophy and the likes of Daisy Hill , Darwen and Lancaster etc
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby NPL Daze » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:55 am

And Holker Old Boys at home on a January evening in the freezing fog......
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby Crazeenick » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:58 am

Agree.... definitely better to stay in the EFL. We may lose quite a lot of games in the EFL, but that makes the few victories all the sweeter. And the "big cup games" against the higher league clubs are not to be missed.

I don't relish returning to the days of playing league games against the likes of Lancaster, Guiseley, Daisy Hill, Solihull Moors, Spennymoor etc.

As long as we are hanging in there in L2, there is always the possibility of future new ownership and increased funding pushing us up the league, or we could maybe "do an Accrington" and assemble a strong squad that punches even further above its weight than our present one.

Hopefully we will stay up this season, and then we will have a new season ahead with re-newed optimism!

Oh - and JIM IN - he does very well with what we have - I believe he would do even better with more money and/or better players.

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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby Christies Child » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:46 am

Have to agree that if Jim had more money then we would do better BUT the lack of money both now and going forward is my concern.

We all hope for a new investor BUT if that doesn't happen can we continue as a League club and that has been my issue with my original post.

I seriously do not want to return to February nights at the likes of Daisy Hill BUT if the survival of our club in whatever format is the result of not being able to fund an EFL club anymore then so be it.

Year on year it costs more to fund an EFL club despite hand outs from the league but at the end of the day the Board have to dig deep into their own pockets to supply additional funding. Abdul's benevolence will come to an end if it already hasn't done.

What then :?: :?:

Can we seriously expect our current Board to continue to fund the club :?: :?:

Like us all I wish we could find a new revenue stream but how long has this sale saga been going on :?: :?:

I see and hear little on this subject hence my worry for our club.
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby marky No.1 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:47 pm

Christies Child wrote:What then :?: :?:


This sums my feelings up for quite some time now. I'm sure people connected to the Club are wondering the same thing and will be happy finishing in 22nd place, closing the doors and taking a bit of a break before it all starts over again.
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby parkyboy » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:39 pm

intersting argument which the EFL OR F A could do a lot to help .All it needs is to create Div 2 north and south from the 48 current Div 2 and National league and this would present less travelling and more close fixtures ,At present 4 out of 6northern national league teams are trying like hell to stay in that league ,Just look at figures for for both leagues and the ratio of north and south teams .
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby Christies Child » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:51 pm

parkyboy wrote:intersting argument which the EFL OR F A could do a lot to help .All it needs is to create Div 2 north and south from the 48 current Div 2 and National league and this would present less travelling and more close fixtures ,At present 4 out of 6northern national league teams are trying like hell to stay in that league ,Just look at figures for for both leagues and the ratio of north and south teams .


If only.....

I can't think many on here would find an argument ( :o ) against such a move. Bigger away followings; less travel and from the clubs perspective less overnight stays and a significant reduction in miles and therefore transport and accommodation costs....which would be a blessing for our club and save the coffers £10's of thousands a season. :)
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby Little Shrimp » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:15 pm

Crazeenick wrote:I don't relish returning to the days of playing league games against the likes of Lancaster, Guiseley, Daisy Hill, Solihull Moors, Spennymoor etc.


I’m actually going to see Guiseley with a friend this weekend so if the magic of the Conference takes me over I shall have to change my answer :lol:
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby NPL Daze » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:21 pm

Little Shrimp wrote:I’m actually going to see Guiseley


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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby Phil Anderer » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:40 pm

Christies Child wrote:
parkyboy wrote:intersting argument which the EFL OR F A could do a lot to help .All it needs is to create Div 2 north and south from the 48 current Div 2 and National league and this would present less travelling and more close fixtures ,At present 4 out of 6northern national league teams are trying like hell to stay in that league ,Just look at figures for for both leagues and the ratio of north and south teams .


If only.....

I can't think many on here would find an argument ( :o ) against such a move. Bigger away followings; less travel and from the clubs perspective less overnight stays and a significant reduction in miles and therefore transport and accommodation costs....which would be a blessing for our club and save the coffers £10's of thousands a season. :)


What would happen to the league cup? Would the EFL consider it to be too many teams? The trophy would have to change too, but hopefully by kicking out the idea of the U-21/25/whatever Prem & Champ teams. My issue is that, whilst I do understand the financial arguments, the share of the FA money would be significantly diluted, I imagine by half, with no change to League 1, and it just strikes me as a bit parochial. It may well be also that, by regionalising it punters see it as a devaluation of the League, reducing its attractiveness and reducing rather than increasing attendances. Not saying I'm right, just offering a different point of view.
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby captain sparkle » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:18 pm

Little Shrimp wrote:I’m actually going to see Guiseley ...


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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby seasonsinthesun » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:54 pm

NPL Daze wrote:
Little Shrimp wrote:I’m actually going to see Guiseley


Holds bad memories for us that place..........

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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby Ntini » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:40 am

As much as I think a north/south L2 would be the best way forwards, it would mean extending the EFL by presumably 24 teams, which I can't see them being keen on doing. I can't help but think the only way they will actually do this is if 3 or 4 teams from L1/L2 start going bust season after season. Unfortunately wholesale changes like this are usually when their hand is forced.
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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby NPL Daze » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:29 am

seasonsinthesun wrote:
NPL Daze wrote:
Little Shrimp wrote:I’m actually going to see Guiseley


Holds bad memories for us that place..........

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Exactly sir.......... :evil: :evil: :evil:

I stupidly, stupidly made the mistake of buying the match video too........ :roll:

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Re: EFL..IN or OUT?

Postby Potted Shrimp » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:37 pm

Everyone has a right to their opinion but this is a ridiculous suggestion.

Why would anyone want to chose to drop back into the non-league? I mostly watched Morecambe in the late 90's and when the club was promoted it was a huge achievement and I am incredibly proud that Morecambe FC is a football league club, it is great for the town and the supporters. The last 10 years have not been the disaster they are portrayed, the fact that the club is competing at this level is a great achievement. I would rather see the club rub shoulders with the likes of Carlisle, Coventry and Swindon and winning occasionally with challenge of staying up than playing the likes of Bromley, Guisley and Dover and winning regularly.

Out of interest if the club was back in the non-league I am guessing you wouldn't want the team to win for 'fear of being promoted'! Laughable!

It is the opinion of a spoilt narrow minded 'supporter' who does'nt want their club playing at the highest level, if you miss non-league football I would suggest following Lancaster.
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