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Postby BerlinWaller » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:20 pm

forces shrimp wrote:
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forces shrimp wrote:For me the book starts and stops with Peter mcguigan! From the moment he put the club up for sale and the whole saga that followed has left the club on its arse. I had no problems with him trying to recoup all or some of the money he put in, but the fact he attempted to sell the club to some one with out all the money up front is bizarre!

Moved us to the Globe arena to make us self sufficient (Easyer to sell) but a lack of facilities in a characterless stadium has kept people away and the attendances show that. In turn the playing budget is a pittance of what it should or could be. Jimbo has worked nothing short of miracles with what he has had to work with and I thank him for that, but the negative tactics and worrying about nullifying the opposition instead of putting them to the sword has created a very dull and pointless brand of football.

As much as it pains me to say this Accy on a budget not to dissimilar to ours play the total opposite type of football always on the attack and putting the opposition under pressure. A squad full of loanees like ourselves with a manager looking to get the best out of them by putting his full trust and faith in them and not leaving them on the bench as bit part players.

Never have I ever felt so deflated as far as MFC is concerned even after playoff defeats (even Dag & Red away in the league 2) This club is probably the best thing this town has left of it and we the fans need to be the 12th man come Saturday away at Coventry. With the news the board will lay on free coach travel to the Ricoh, tell friends, family and colleagues, share it on social media and place posters far and wide. Let's get the town behind the club and drag them over the line to secure another season in the football league and regroup over the summer!


That you Jim?


No just a fellow disgruntled fan!!!


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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby RapidShrimp » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:20 pm

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If Jim and Co go, then for me and a few others it's Drummy and Kevin to take over.

It's a No from me, No Former players, have we not learnt anything?

Advertise the Job.


Exactly! What’s the harm in actually advertising for a new manager instead of choosing ‘loyalty.’ That HAS NOT WORKED over the last 6+ years, so why would it work now?
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby Gone_Shrimping » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:22 pm

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Christies Child wrote:If Jim and Co go, then for me and a few others it's Drummy and Kevin to take over.


Neither of them have any sort of managerial experience... it would just be deja vu like with Jim if they took over, neither ever managed a first team side. I think it says it all when players like Gerrard, Vieira, Zidane etc... (the masters of the game) aren’t even trusted to be managers instantly after their retirement, so why should Kev and Drummy?


Stewart has been managing the reserves for some time now and they play a nice style of football.
Kevin has been assisting Stewart and is doing his coaching badges
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby RapidShrimp » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:24 pm

Gone_Shrimping wrote:
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Christies Child wrote:If Jim and Co go, then for me and a few others it's Drummy and Kevin to take over.


Neither of them have any sort of managerial experience... it would just be deja vu like with Jim if they took over, neither ever managed a first team side. I think it says it all when players like Gerrard, Vieira, Zidane etc... (the masters of the game) aren’t even trusted to be managers instantly after their retirement, so why should Kev and Drummy?


Stewart has been managing the reserves for some time now and they play a nice style of football.
Kevin has been assisting Stewart and is doing his coaching badges


Of course I know they have been managing the reserves and Drummy with youth teams... but I said FIRST TEAM experience... They have not won anything, not got promoted, not got relegated... nothing with league sides. This is the type of experience which is so vital for this league and club. That is why Coleman has done so well at Accy, he knows how to get players on his side and can motivate the players with his experience and will.
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby BerlinWaller » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:32 pm

Totally agree about a clean break. A new man with no loyalty to the current squad. Somebody with no friends in the dressing room with new ideas. We need another Mark Lillis on board. A proper coach and a real motivator!
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby Christies Child » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:40 pm

Let me throw another name into the pot if we start to look for a new manager.

Matt Jansen the current Chorley manager and someone well respected in the game who has a reputation of playing attractive football as he did throughout his career until he was forced to retire due to a non footballing injury.
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby George Dawes » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:57 pm

Christies Child wrote:Let me throw another name into the pot if we start to look for a new manager.

Matt Jansen the current Chorley manager and someone well respected in the game who has a reputation of playing attractive football as he did throughout his career until he was forced to retire due to a non footballing injury.

Good Shout, plus he won't have high wage demands, dunno where he was born but he's been living in the N/W most of his life now.

Oh and will already know of the Gems to sign up in the lower leagues.
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby redtilldead74 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:03 am

For me the book starts and stops with Peter mcguigan! From the moment he put the club up for sale and the whole saga that followed has left the club on its arse. I had no problems with him trying to recoup all or some of the money he put in, but the fact he attempted to sell the club to some one with out all the money up front is bizarre!

Moved us to the Globe arena to make us self sufficient (Easyer to sell) but a lack of facilities in a characterless stadium has kept people away and the attendances show that. In turn the playing budget is a pittance of what it should or could be. Jimbo has worked nothing short of miracles with what he has had to work with and I thank him for that, but the negative tactics and worrying about nullifying the opposition instead of putting them to the sword has created a very dull and pointless brand of football.

As much as it pains me to say this Accy on a budget not to dissimilar to ours play the total opposite type of football always on the attack and putting the opposition under pressure. A squad full of loanees like ourselves with a manager looking to get the best out of them by putting his full trust and faith in them and not leaving them on the bench as bit part players.

Never have I ever felt so deflated as far as MFC is concerned even after playoff defeats (even Dag & Red away in the league 2) This club is probably the best thing this town has left of it and we the fans need to be the 12th man come Saturday away at Coventry. With the news the board will lay on free coach travel to the Ricoh, tell friends, family and colleagues, share it on social media and place posters far and wide. Let's get the town behind the club and drag them over the line to secure another season in the football league and regroup over the summer!
also jim has been in an arse kicking contest with both legs tied.blame lies with pmg he is the one who was selling the shares,he is the one who crossed the t's and dotted the i's , he is the one who could relegate morecambe for the first time in their history.i think pmg should walk away and leave it to board members who are fans not just business people.
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby mrpotatohead » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:24 am

Agreed Jim, good post, it's off the pitch issues that have got us where we are now, and as things stand MPG could be remembered as the man who engineered the destruction of Morecambe FC, not intentionally, but through Vanity, pig headedness, greed, bad management, dubious business practices, need I continue??

Christie park is long gone, as are most of the legends that built our town team, Morecambe FC was never going to be a UTD or a Liverpool , some may say not even a Preston or Bolton, but it was part of what makes Morecambe special, an assett to our community , and it has been here longer than all of us ,I remember nicking in over the back fence to watch us play South Sheilds in 1974, Wembley , the town hall, the fanfare, and then back to Christie the following season to gates of 330 ..

There's no shame in being a small town team, there's no shame in having big dreams, but PMG has done more harm to this community than Noel Edmonds.
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby jona77 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:26 am

I think some posters are missing the point. Yes Peter Mcguigan has a lot to answe for and the fact we have a small budget does affect the quality of players we have. However you’ve got to make the most of what you’ve got I hate to mention them but look at Accy. It was interesting that apparently at the start of the season Coley said to his squad if any of them didn’t want to fight for the league feel free to leave now. I think that mentality was taken into games they played attacking attractive football trying to WIN games. I think Jim’s approach is right lads keep it tight don’t give anything away and let’s try and nick a goal from somewhere.

Most of the good performances(Wycombe away being one) were games where we played it mainly on the deck which were few and far between. You can dress it up as much as you want but I’m sorry the tactics stop with the manager. Like others have said he has made some baffling team selections and substitutions resulting in some strange team formations and players playing out of position. Personally I don’t think we have that bad a squad certainly not a bottom 3 team I just think we needed a manager with a bit more nous and more positivity and we wouldn’t be in this mess! I really hope Coventry away he doesn’t play for a draw ( like that’s worked recently) and try to be more posutive though somehow I doubt that’s going to happen judging by recent performances. Yes Jim has had a small budget to work with but I don’t think he has got anywhere near the best out of any of our players. If some people think otherwise you need to take your blinkers off!
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby MFC-Manc » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:33 am

Joseph Cala again via Twitter

I've just spoken to a friend at Morecambe and he said Jim and co didn't come and see the fans at the end of the match. This makes no sense. Who authorized this? Very strange!!!
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby P/T Indie » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:47 am

What I want to know is when did coleman see the light at Accy and start playing good football. Previously his style was more like ours was it just when he could afford to bring better players in.
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Ji

Postby George Dawes » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:51 am

P/T Indie wrote:What I want to know is when did coleman see the light at Accy and start playing good football. Previously his style was more like ours was it just when he could afford to bring better players in.

Thing is, over the years he's never he's never had a problem with "Home Form" even when he'd a shit the budget?

It's our Poor "Home Form" what's killing our club.
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby P/T Indie » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:54 am

Home form and closing out games an old fashioned coley team wouldnt give anything away.
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby Bare Grills » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:58 am

However you’ve got to make the most of what you’ve got


What you've got is no money, no investment, no secure future, part of the ground closed in administration, etc, etc. How would you feel working for an employer like that?
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby Gone_Shrimping » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:44 am

I still can't understand why neither Fleming or Wildig have been starting for some considerable time.

With Kenyon and Rose playing just in front of the back 4 it means we start each game with 7 defensive players and very little in the middle of the park.

I hope he puts out a team that looks like it wants to win at Coventry.
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby John L » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:08 am

You can't go on blaming PMG for everything. Clearly there is still a problem in the backroom and yesterday's post-match farce illustrated that. It may seem like a trivial matter to some, but it's a good tradition that the players and management come back out onto the pitch after the last home game to show their appreciation to the fans for all their support over the season. It appeared to us that the assistant did not want this to happen for some reason, but most of the players took it upon themselves to come over anyway and receive lots of support that will hopefully spur them on to a better performance next Saturday. The manager, however, surprisingly didn't show up and that has affected the respect many of us had for him. Whatever happened to that close-knit, family club that we were proud of but is being eroded away from not just one part of it? These are extremely testing times for even the most loyal supporter but, the way things are going, even we are reconsidering how we spend all our Saturday afternoons and Tuesday evenings in future if the way the team are managed does not change whether we're in League 2 or the Conference next season...
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby Westgate Wanderer » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:20 am

Yep it's all Peter Mcguigan's fault!! After all he got us into this Football League, built a new ground, backed sammy mac with funds. Such short memories! The current management team have stifled the life out of players and any sides put out. Also bored the dwindling support to tears with the ultra negative approach to games.I think a lot of floating fans came out yesterday to support the team but sadly they saw nothing has changed, now we face the prospect of relegation and even the possibility of administration or worse. So yeah lets blame good old PMG and not JB :evil: :evil:
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby fulwoodshrimp » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:48 am

I also question what Peter McGuigan has done but there is no getting away from the fact that this current squad is capable of better than it is achieving. That is not the chairman's fault, it is the managements. Team selections have been negative and inconsistent. As I have said in another post why has Campbell been selected for the last couple of games when he has been largely ignored all season? Why is Oliver brought on regularly when he has shown himself incapable of influencing matches? Why has Wildig been ignored? Fleming played energetically the other week and was promptly returned to the bench. Why?
It's time for changes in the team with Wildig and Fleming bolstering a weak midfield for the game at Coventry. Our negative approach to the last few "must win" games has failed. We must now go to Coventry with a positive approach and an attacking formation. Not sure we will do!
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby Duffman » Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:03 am

I don't understand the excuses regarding the finances and the lack of stability this season. Last season was a horror show and Jimbo went above and beyond the call of duty as manager of the club.

However this season the club has been relatively stable for what I can see (apart from the farcical two phantom takeover bids in October). The club have had an increase in TV revenue which I believe comes to £1m, Abdul pledged financial backing for 2 years and we assembled on paper what was a decent looking squad.

This season we can't blame players not getting paid, because they have. We can't blame dodgy potential owners coming in distrusting the team, Cala disappeared a long time ago. There are no excuses apart from the footballing side underperforming.

Regardless of the players or budget Jim has, he'll still be slow to react in games. He'll still setup the same way for every game regardless of the opponent or situation. He'll still throw everyone under the bus rather than admit his own mistakes.

We need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves and looking for excuses all the time and bloody get on with it.
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby outsider » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:19 pm

John L wrote:You can't go on blaming PMG for everything. Clearly there is still a problem in the backroom and yesterday's post-match farce illustrated that. It may seem like a trivial matter to some, but it's a good tradition that the players and management come back out onto the pitch after the last home game to show their appreciation to the fans for all their support over the season. It appeared to us that the assistant did not want this to happen for some reason, but most of the players took it upon themselves to come over anyway and receive lots of support that will hopefully spur them on to a better performance next Saturday. The manager, however, surprisingly didn't show up and that has affected the respect many of us had for him. Whatever happened to that close-knit, family club that we were proud of but is being eroded away from not just one part of it? These are extremely testing times for even the most loyal supporter but, the way things are going, even we are reconsidering how we spend all our Saturday afternoons and Tuesday evenings in future if the way the team are managed does not change whether we're in League 2 or the Conference next season...


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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby sandgrown » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:35 pm

redtilldead74 wrote:For me the book starts and stops with Peter mcguigan! From the moment he put the club up for sale and the whole saga that followed has left the club on its arse. I had no problems with him trying to recoup all or some of the money he put in, but the fact he attempted to sell the club to some one with out all the money up front is bizarre!

Moved us to the Globe arena to make us self sufficient (Easyer to sell) but a lack of facilities in a characterless stadium has kept people away and the attendances show that. In turn the playing budget is a pittance of what it should or could be. Jimbo has worked nothing short of miracles with what he has had to work with and I thank him for that, but the negative tactics and worrying about nullifying the opposition instead of putting them to the sword has created a very dull and pointless brand of football.

As much as it pains me to say this Accy on a budget not to dissimilar to ours play the total opposite type of football always on the attack and putting the opposition under pressure. A squad full of loanees like ourselves with a manager looking to get the best out of them by putting his full trust and faith in them and not leaving them on the bench as bit part players.

Never have I ever felt so deflated as far as MFC is concerned even after playoff defeats (even Dag & Red away in the league 2) This club is probably the best thing this town has left of it and we the fans need to be the 12th man come Saturday away at Coventry. With the news the board will lay on free coach travel to the Ricoh, tell friends, family and colleagues, share it on social media and place posters far and wide. Let's get the town behind the club and drag them over the line to secure another season in the football league and regroup over the summer!
also jim has been in an arse kicking contest with both legs tied.blame lies with pmg he is the one who was selling the shares,he is the one who crossed the t's and dotted the i's , he is the one who could relegate morecambe for the first time in their history.i think pmg should walk away and leave it to board members who are fans not just business people.
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definitely, well said Jimmy
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby outsider » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:44 pm

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/ ... te-1513370

And some think our boss and players have it bad :o
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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby John L » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:57 pm

outsider wrote:https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/fans-call-manager-resign-despite-1513370

And some think our boss and players have it bad :o


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Re: Do MFC club a fovour Jim

Postby black morse » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:34 pm

outsider wrote:https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/fans-call-manager-resign-despite-1513370

And some think our boss and players have it bad :o


A fair number of Exeter fans have hated Tiswell for years........and aren't going to stop now :roll:
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