TRAINING PITCHES AND GYM ETC.

[BerlinWaller]

Absolutely and top quality coaching at grass roots level to produce another Kewell, Beckham, etc which would generate income to financially sustain the club.

So Knightrider Leeds United are your other team, that narrows it down quite a bit, onto you now,


Dazza he must be one of your mates?

Are you on a one purge Andy? You have already exposed one member in the last 24hrs.

[Posh]

We need to remind ourselves that this land was bought, owned and controlled by Peter McGuigan with money from the sale of Christie Park and land that was under the control of the JB Christie Trust. If this land had been kept under trust none of this would be being discussed. He effectively took a huge parcel of land for himself outside of the football club’s ownership and put us in this mess.

The boundaries are a serious problem but only apparent when the ground was complete and it had been carved up did we know.

Yes Venture could buy the land and put some sort of road through. They, other than the football club, are the only realistic buyers. You would hope that the club, the Shrimps Trust and the City Council who put the community use order on the land would oppose it and block any sale or development. However, I think only the fans working together will be able to spur others into action.

With respect Posh, is your statement correct?

My understanding what that all the land at Westgate was sold by Lancaster City Council to MFC Ltd without any tendering process well below its market value for the absolute bargain/give away price of 1.5 million and all of it was under the conditions of the JBC Trust.

What followed was parceling off of the formerly owned public asset to create revenue to fund the unsustainable operations of a failing administration which is why so many of the Directors since 2009 have jumped ship.

Yes. I believe i’m correct. The pitches and land at the back were incorporated under PMG Leisure - sole owner PMG https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... nt-control in July 2010, a month before the Globe Arena opened.

It may well be that it was separated off in order to raise additional capital but it was in his ownership. You’ve got to wonder why, a month before the ground opened, that the club needed additional capital to operate?

As for your comments about the JB Christie Trust, the land at the year and the front was always excluded from the land acquired by the club. See the plan dated May 2010 here https://shrimpstrust.co.uk/campaigns/jb-christie-trust.

[redrobo]

The Fans Forum next Thursday should be a lively one....assuming that those claiming to know what went on actually ask for some confirmation.

[Posh]

The Fans Forum next Thursday should be a lively one....assuming that those claiming to know what went on actually ask for some confirmation.

Well I’ve looked above and as far as I can see everyone involved has left so not sure how it could be lively when they’ve now ceased to be.

As for the players not paid, no has claimed to know anything.

[Knightrider]

We need to remind ourselves that this land was bought, owned and controlled by Peter McGuigan with money from the sale of Christie Park and land that was under the control of the JB Christie Trust. If this land had been kept under trust none of this would be being discussed. He effectively took a huge parcel of land for himself outside of the football club’s ownership and put us in this mess.

The boundaries are a serious problem but only apparent when the ground was complete and it had been carved up did we know.

Yes Venture could buy the land and put some sort of road through. They, other than the football club, are the only realistic buyers. You would hope that the club, the Shrimps Trust and the City Council who put the community use order on the land would oppose it and block any sale or development. However, I think only the fans working together will be able to spur others into action.

With respect Posh, is your statement correct?

My understanding what that all the land at Westgate was sold by Lancaster City Council to MFC Ltd without any tendering process well below its market value for the absolute bargain/give away price of 1.5 million and all of it was under the conditions of the JBC Trust.

What followed was parceling off of the formerly owned public asset to create revenue to fund the unsustainable operations of a failing administration which is why so many of the Directors since 2009 have jumped ship.

Yes. I believe i’m correct. The pitches and land at the back were incorporated under PMG Leisure - sole owner PMG https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... nt-control in July 2010, a month before the Globe Arena opened.

It may well be that it was separated off in order to raise additional capital but it was in his ownership. You’ve got to wonder why, a month before the ground opened, that the club needed additional capital to operate?

As for your comments about the JB Christie Trust, the land at the year and the front was always excluded from the land acquired by the club. See the plan dated May 2010 here https://shrimpstrust.co.uk/campaigns/jb-christie-trust.

Thanks for the clarification Posh.

As regards your key question

It may well be that it was separated off in order to raise additional capital but it was in his ownership. You’ve got to wonder why, a month before the ground opened, that the club needed additional capital to operate?

I suspect that the building contractors they contracted with on a D&B contract, Globe Management Services/Globe Construction put in claims for additional costs and despite cutting the spec (viz not all terraces covered) cost control was lost and the project went over budget.

I priced tender documents for one of the trades for a sub contractor received from Michael Stainton who had been invited to tender as a principal contractor by the club. It was apparent then the project clearly had been inadequately designed due to a ridiculously short pre contract design/planning period but thats a major problem when clients decide to go down the D&B procurement route and put all their trust and faith in the contractor to deliver on time and on budget.

Also dont forget Globe did most of Sainsburys construction projects.

As you correctly stated in a previous post/thread the MFC Ltd project management team led by LCC Chief Building Control Officer Brian Fagan who became a Director of the club delivered a "dogs dinner" and were out of their depth as they did not possess the necessary expertise or have the experience to be competent Project Managers/Contract Administrators.

Did the club receive all the sponsorship money from Globe which no doubt they included in the final account before they went bust?

[marky No.1]

This will run and run and we will never get any official answers, no doubt.
All we can do is move on, think what could/should have been and once more be fed on fertiliser, Mario and Luigi would be proud amongst the mushrooms, collecting all the coins

[SupermarketShrimp]

Also dont forget Globe did most of Sainsburys construction projects.?

Globe didn’t ever deliver anything as large as a Sainsbury’s. The ground was amongst their biggest and most glamourous build and to my knowledge had no prior experience of stadia or anything of that size that I can remember. Their previous experience was in the main nhs builds, council extensions and graveyards iirc. I could be wrong

Most of the contractors used are no longer trading. Fleetwood (Parkinsons) and afc Fylde (wardens) are evidence of what could have been delivered.

[Andy D]

Also dont forget Globe did most of Sainsburys construction projects.?

Globe didn’t ever deliver anything as large as a Sainsbury’s. The ground was amongst their biggest and most glamourous build and to my knowledge had no prior experience of stadia or anything of that size that I can remember. Their previous experience was in the main nhs builds, council extensions and graveyards iirc. I could be wrong

Most of the contractors used are no longer trading. Fleetwood (Parkinsons) and afc Fylde (wardens) are evidence of what could have been delivered.

Thats right, the Globe website whats now down had a link to their projects, i went on it straight away to see what experiance they had in Football grounds or any sports stadia for that matter and i think the nearest was a school sports hall.

[Knightrider]

This will run and run and we will never get any official answers, no doubt.
All we can do is move on, think what could/should have been and once more be fed on fertiliser, Mario and Luigi would be proud amongst the mushrooms, collecting all the coins

Maybe Marky no.1 thats the reason why the residents of the town dont support such an arrogant, incompetent and unaccountable administration which in effect was facilitated to run their enterprise based on a decision by Lancaster City Council who sold them publicly owned land at Westgate for 1.5 million pounds,three times greater in area than the land at Christie Park which according to information on this forum they sold to Sainsburys for 9 million pounds.

Its an absolute public scandal far worse than Blobbygate.

How can you possibly move on with such rising debts and with new owners who do not appear have any business plan?

Have MFC Ltd lived and learnt?

I dont think so based on the evidence here.

[Knightrider]

Most of the contractors used are no longer trading. Fleetwood (Parkinsons) and afc Fylde (wardens) are evidence of what could have been delivered.

Not surprised most of the sub contractors used by Globe are no longer trading as they probably never got payed in full for the payment applications they lodged.

Would be interesting to know the list of contractors invited to tender for the Globe project and why the club management chose Globe? But as Marky no. 1 says your not going to find out as MFC Ltd are totally unaccountable to their valued fans, supporters and the residents of Lancaster & Morecambe who after all facilitated their enterprise without their consent.

[black morse]

Since you joined Sv's in September you have had 69 posts and every one of them have been strongly against the organisation of MFC both present and in the dim and distant past. We all know mistakes were made when The Globe was planned and built but there is nothing that can be done about that now. We all know it was a fiasco when various rogues attempted to buy the club but nothing can be done about that now. For God's sake live in the present. I agree we can't forget the past but can surely put it behind us.

We have new owners and, whilst questions still remain about them, we are probably in a better position now than we were a couple of years ago. We have new co-chairmen who virtually everyone on here wanted. We have a team that could still get us to a position halfway up the league. Finally we are still in existence which looked dubious a couple of years ago. Let's have our differences but let's start to live in the present and look forward instead of screaming about the past.

[BerlinWaller]

Since you joined Sv's in September you have had 69 posts and every one of them have been strongly against the organisation of MFC both present and in the dim and distant past. We all know mistakes were made when The Globe was planned and built but there is nothing that can be done about that now. We all know it was a fiasco when various rogues attempted to buy the club but nothing can be done about that now. For God's sake live in the present. I agree we can't forget the past but can surely put it behind us.

We have new owners and, whilst questions still remain about them, we are probably in a better position now than we were a couple of years ago. We have new co-chairmen who virtually everyone on here wanted. We have a team that could still get us to a position halfway up the league. Finally we are still in existence which looked dubious a couple of years ago. Let's have our differences but let's start to live in the present and look forward instead of screaming about the past.

I find KR's post informative and well written. Clearly he knows what he is on about and is passionate about the club. His posts are good to read and exactly what a forum needs. Ok, you might not like them but they are needed. Keep up the good work.

[Knightrider]

Since you joined Sv's in September you have had 69 posts and every one of them have been strongly against the organisation of MFC both present and in the dim and distant past. We all know mistakes were made when The Globe was planned and built but there is nothing that can be done about that now. We all know it was a fiasco when various rogues attempted to buy the club but nothing can be done about that now. For God's sake live in the present. I agree we can't forget the past but can surely put it behind us.

We have new owners and, whilst questions still remain about them, we are probably in a better position now than we were a couple of years ago. We have new co-chairmen who virtually everyone on here wanted. We have a team that could still get us to a position halfway up the league. Finally we are still in existence which looked dubious a couple of years ago. Let's have our differences but let's start to live in the present and look forward instead of screaming about the past.

I strongly disagree with your personal attack, yes I have been critical but if you care to carefully read the evidence I have created constructive threads for instance what is the five year business plan for MFC Ltd? - if thats not living in the present PAL I really do not know what is.

I hope that I am wrong but sadly nothing appears to have changed and the club have not lived and learnt.

[Knightrider]

Since you joined Sv's in September you have had 69 posts and every one of them have been strongly against the organisation of MFC both present and in the dim and distant past. We all know mistakes were made when The Globe was planned and built but there is nothing that can be done about that now. We all know it was a fiasco when various rogues attempted to buy the club but nothing can be done about that now. For God's sake live in the present. I agree we can't forget the past but can surely put it behind us.

We have new owners and, whilst questions still remain about them, we are probably in a better position now than we were a couple of years ago. We have new co-chairmen who virtually everyone on here wanted. We have a team that could still get us to a position halfway up the league. Finally we are still in existence which looked dubious a couple of years ago. Let's have our differences but let's start to live in the present and look forward instead of screaming about the past.

I find KR's post informative and well written. Clearly he knows what he is on about and is passionate about the club. His posts are good to read and exactly what a forum needs. Ok, you might not like them but they are needed. Keep up the good work.

Thanks BW that friendly non abusive kind comment is like a breath of fresh air on what is in my opinion a toxic forum where the rules of engagement are inconsistently imposed.

BTW I am passionate about the town of Morecambe and used to be about the club until the management ripped its heart out and moved to the Globe Arena - a fatal mistake and huge error of judgment which divided loyal fans. I always look out for the club though and do hope that a miraculous recovery, like Tyson Furys, can be made

A merry and happy xmas to you Sir.

[redrobo]

Also dont forget Globe did most of Sainsburys construction projects.?

Globe didn’t ever deliver anything as large as a Sainsbury’s. The ground was amongst their biggest and most glamourous build and to my knowledge had no prior experience of stadia or anything of that size that I can remember. Their previous experience was in the main nhs builds, council extensions and graveyards iirc. I could be wrong

Most of the contractors used are no longer trading. Fleetwood (Parkinsons) and afc Fylde (wardens) are evidence of what could have been delivered.

I'm surprised that the Architects of the Globe have not come in for some criticism as the contractors can only produce something from plans given to them. My understanding of the choice of contractors was on the recommendation of the Sainsbury's project management team.

[mrpotatohead]

Really Peters??

If a farmer has, err, dunno, say 12 million quid of the local communitys money , raised by selling their farm, and he decides to stretch the terms of use as best he can to suit himself, so he builds a massive lovely farm house for him and his posh mates with most of the money, then remembers he has to stable his fur, peasants and fowl but he hasn't much left, so they chuck up a few sheds and hope for the best ,is it anyone else's fault but his own if some of the simple beasts run off?

[Seasider9601]

Really Peters??

If a farmer has, err, dunno, say 12 million quid of the local communitys money , raised by selling their farm, and he decides to stretch the terms of use as best he can to suit himself, so he builds a massive lovely farm house for him and his posh mates with most of the money, then remembers he has to stable his fur, peasants and fowl but he hasn't much left, so they chuck up a few sheds and hope for the best ,is it anyone else's fault but his own if some of the simple beasts run off?

Best thing I've read on here for ages....!!!!!!!

[jbc.shrimp]

Trivial as it may be but, maps show an in invisible border between the caravan park boundery and that of the training pitch fence, being the dike. Would this be owned by United Utilities or the Council for access permission.

[mrpotatohead]

A separate company, Shanghai Surprise ltd , a subsidiary of Unlucky charm ltd, own the dyke.

[redrobo]

Really Peters??

If a farmer has, err, dunno, say 12 million quid of the local communitys money , raised by selling their farm, and he decides to stretch the terms of use as best he can to suit himself, so he builds a massive lovely farm house for him and his posh mates with most of the money, then remembers he has to stable his fur, peasants and fowl but he hasn't much left, so they chuck up a few sheds and hope for the best ,is it anyone else's fault but his own if some of the simple beasts run off?

[BerlinWaller]

Since you joined Sv's in September you have had 69 posts and every one of them have been strongly against the organisation of MFC both present and in the dim and distant past. We all know mistakes were made when The Globe was planned and built but there is nothing that can be done about that now. We all know it was a fiasco when various rogues attempted to buy the club but nothing can be done about that now. For God's sake live in the present. I agree we can't forget the past but can surely put it behind us.

We have new owners and, whilst questions still remain about them, we are probably in a better position now than we were a couple of years ago. We have new co-chairmen who virtually everyone on here wanted. We have a team that could still get us to a position halfway up the league. Finally we are still in existence which looked dubious a couple of years ago. Let's have our differences but let's start to live in the present and look forward instead of screaming about the past.

I find KR's post informative and well written. Clearly he knows what he is on about and is passionate about the club. His posts are good to read and exactly what a forum needs. Ok, you might not like them but they are needed. Keep up the good work.

Thanks BW that friendly non abusive kind comment is like a breath of fresh air on what is in my opinion a toxic forum where the rules of engagement are inconsistently imposed.

BTW I am passionate about the town of Morecambe and used to be about the club until the management ripped its heart out and moved to the Globe Arena - a fatal mistake and huge error of judgment which divided loyal fans. I always look out for the club though and do hope that a miraculous recovery, like Tyson Furys, can be made

A merry and happy xmas to you Sir.

And to you. Keep up the good work and asking the questions that need to be asked. Now, what do you reckon to Brexit?

[Knightrider]

And to you. Keep up the good work and asking the questions that need to be asked. Now, what do you reckon to Brexit?

Thank you I have always thought independently and critically and asked the tough questions throughout my life despite being told that any resistance is futile by the bully boys. Baaaaaaaaaa - It does not win you any friends being a black sheep, especially on this forum.

As for what I reckon to Brexit its off topic so with respect it requires a knew thread or direct me to an existing thread and I may comment further but does it really matter as we clearly dont live in a true democracy in this country. BTW I voted out as the EU is absolutely unaccountable and in my opinion corrupt. It has never had its annual accounts professionally audited.

[Knightrider]

Really Peters??

If a farmer has, err, dunno, say 12 million quid of the local communitys money , raised by selling their farm, and he decides to stretch the terms of use as best he can to suit himself, so he builds a massive lovely farm house for him and his posh mates with most of the money, then remembers he has to stable his fur, peasants and fowl but he hasn't much left, so they chuck up a few sheds and hope for the best ,is it anyone else's fault but his own if some of the simple beasts run off?

Not surprised by your location - the circus. But well done as sadly for the club and the town that crudely sums up the truth in my opinion.

But when you have been a ratepayer/CT payer in Morecambe,for over 30 years are passionate about the town and were about the club and millions of our public money has been wasted and the community lost a free use much needed recreational facility in a densely populated residential suburb it just aint funny PAL - and I do have GSOH - seriously though sorry about that !

[Posh]

Well said Mr PH.

£12m could have got us an AFC Fylde or a Burton Albion and no one would have complained.

As Mr PH says, we got the Temple of PMG. It’s a legacy of the financial crash where money is more important than people. It can be improved but that means acknowledging it at board level and that’s never been done.

As I understand it, the first set of architects designed a ground that they wanted but it they missed the affordability bit and when it first went out to tender it was way beyond our means. So, instead, we got a rush job with no thought for ordinary fans, grounds staff, the press or away supporters.

This topic has been done to death but nothing will stop me forgetting about the sheer and utter incompetence of those three who came up with it and delivered it with no involvements from those it was there for.

[Freez]

Devils advocate time.
TBF the board did listen, as fans requested standing areas of which we ended up with three sides of the ground.
IF, as the board originally intended, they had gone with an all seater, grants could have assisted for between 20 and 40% of the build costs, so another if only, really?