Shrimpsvoices

I have read ,then re read Jim's post match interview, and am perplexed, negativity used to be frowned upon on here, and in turn, positivity was also scorned, and a rift developed between ''negative neds'' and the ''rose tinted brigade'', I see myself as in the middle, I rarely miss a home game , applaud loudly if we win, but have a dig if we play crap and lose, at the end of the day its only a game.

I think Jim is wrong to publicly have a moan, everyone knows the constraints he is working under, so change the record mate, its not your fault, if you give a chef crap ingredients he might cobble together something edible, but it won't ever be palatable, and the ingredients we have here are fucking shoddy, you cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear and thats what we have, everything from the boardroom downwards seems to be a shambles at Morecambe FC , I 'll carry on going, but the remaining fans are the ones that are being badly done to, it looks frankly, like Morecambe football club, from top to bottom, dont give a fuck about Jim Bentley or the fans.

Mr P, as per my comments on another thread, Jim is at least partly responsible for the budget problems. He is responsible for the tactics, and it's them as much as anything else that are driving the fans away and reducing his budget. If he can't see that he needs to go to Specsavers.

If as Jim suggests a number have already rejected contracts for next season then surely that in itself is a reason why he has to blood some of the youngsters to see if they can step up to the mark.

I don't want to see players who are just seeing the season out before moving on put in less than 100% effort whilst there are others wanting a chance to prove themselves.

As for his comments about 'taking the pitch out of the equation' not sure what he means by that but I suspect he was trying to justify the long ball tactic which has become an all too familiar sight this season.

Interestingly when the lads did play it on the deck the crowd around me applauded them for it. However my guest for the match was correct when he said that we would go to pieces when 1 nil up, rather than go for a second which would kill them off.....

Yes, we all appreciate money is tight and our wage bill is one of the lowest ones for the league but who signed these players, who determines the tactics employed in the games and who picks the team? A lot of the problems this season imo are the line ups selected for games and the tactics employed. Who changed the team's tactics when we were scoring freely and conceding a few? The result, a defence leaking like a sieve. Who last season after a bright start fiddled about with the team disastrously? The board are an easy target for criticism but some of the blame lies elsewhere.

What I am saying is, the clubs failings off the pitch are obviously affecting things on the pitch, please keep in mind the fact that a lot of chairmen would be more than happy with our league position given our lack of money , the football club is being run as a business, and its failing.

Jim is the manager the buck stops with him. Mr p is right in his post off field troubles almost always affect the playing staff and jim publicly bashing a select few wont help everyone knows he has his untouchables that have been way below par for much of his reign yet jim said nothing. This is a squad that he assembled and at the start of the season some on here where saying the best squad weve had so who is to blame for whats happening it can only be the manager in my opinion. No one fears the barbaras wool arena and that will only come with winning which will improve the atmosphere not the other way round

No-one's to blame. It is what it is...

How is no one to blame. If that was the case managers wouldnt get sacked nor would players get sold

seantheshrimp wrote:How is no one to blame. If that was the case managers wouldnt get sacked nor would players get sold

a hint of sarky from JL. sean!

I actually think teams come here expecting to win, Award winning hospitality is a bit too literal.

mrpotatohead wrote:I actually think teams come here expecting to win, Award winning hospitality is a bit too literal.

That is actually true. Teams now look at an away match in Morecambe as a realistic three points and they come, expecting to win. Psychologically, we go out trying not to lose. Bizarrely away teams expect to win at The Globe more than we do.

That's what has to change.

1. Jim needs to believe we can win, rather than not lose.
2. Jim needs to send the players out lined up to win.
3. Jim needs to convince them they can win.
4. The players need to perform as if they expect to win.
5. The missing fans will return.

Obviously we still won't win every match, but we'll play as if we intend to, which will be far more entertaining.

Keith wrote:

mrpotatohead wrote:I actually think teams come here expecting to win, Award winning hospitality is a bit too literal.

That is actually true. Teams now look at an away match in Morecambe as a realistic three points and they come, expecting to win. Psychologically, we go out trying not to lose. Bizarrely away teams expect to win at The Globe more than we do.

That's what has to change.

1. Jim needs to believe we can win, rather than not lose.
2. Jim needs to send the players out lined up to win.
3. Jim needs to convince them they can win.
4. The players need to perform as if they expect to win.
5. The missing fans will return.

Obviously we still won't win every match, but we'll play as if we intend to, which will be far more entertaining.

The really annoying thing is that we have enough points in the bag now to be able to do that without worrying about the odd game we'll lose. We're not going down this year so let's go for it.

Indeed, its almost like tbe club are going out of their way to drive fans off!, Why would they want to do that?

mrpotatohead wrote:Indeed, its almost like tbe club are going out of their way to drive fans off!, Why would they want to do that?

Maybe they want to go bankrupt like other companies round here have done , and then start up again under a different name . Is that possible with a football club.

parceldave wrote:

mrpotatohead wrote:Indeed, its almost like tbe club are going out of their way to drive fans off!, Why would they want to do that?

Maybe they want to go bankrupt like other companies round here have done , and then start up again under a different name . Is that possible with a football club.

Darlington 1883 did it. After they had moved to a new ground too.

parceldave wrote:

mrpotatohead wrote:Indeed, its almost like tbe club are going out of their way to drive fans off!, Why would they want to do that?

Maybe they want to go bankrupt like other companies round here have done , and then start up again under a different name . Is that possible with a football club.

not thought of that before, but you have a very good point Dave, like they say, business is business.

Have the rules not changed since then. If we went into liquidation would we not be dropped into a lower league or have points deducted .

parceldave wrote:Have the rules not changed since then. If we went into liquidation would we not be dropped into a lower league or have points deducted .

Glasgow Rangers, had to start from scratch.

parceldave wrote:

mrpotatohead wrote:Indeed, its almost like tbe club are going out of their way to drive fans off!, Why would they want to do that?

Maybe they want to go bankrupt like other companies round here have done , and then start up again under a different name . Is that possible with a football club.

Have we got a handy pension pot to splash out on some exciting new players?

I just get the impression at the moment that nobody really gives a shit both on and off the field . How many home games have ended with the M.o.M presentation being delayed because the players are getting another bollocking after another poor performance, maybe they know more than us what's going on behind the scenes .

Then we have a debate on here about the poor facilities for the fans in the home end , has anyone from the club come forward with a plan or an explanation as to what might happen to improve those facilities. So are the club really bothered about the falling gate receipts , disgruntled fans or not having a ground sponsor .
The only people who look like they seem to care at the moment are the guys who are organising these fund raising events , so well done to them and hope its not for a lost cause .

Even raising money to buy our own nets now

We had to move from Christie cos we didn't have the money to get the ground and facilities up to scratch, now we have moved.....

George Dawes wrote:

parceldave wrote:Have the rules not changed since then. If we went into liquidation would we not be dropped into a lower league or have points deducted .

Glasgow Rangers, had to start from scratch.

So did the aforementioned Darlington 1883.

They started in the Northern League and are now progressing very nicely.

Seasider9601 wrote:

George Dawes wrote:

parceldave wrote:Have the rules not changed since then. If we went into liquidation would we not be dropped into a lower league or have points deducted .

Glasgow Rangers, had to start from scratch.

So did the aforementioned Darlington 1883.

They started in the Northern League and are now progressing very nicely.

Despite the misleading name Darlington 1883 were formed in 2012 after Darlington FC died. Rangers were on a life support machine for a while but did survive and are still the same club that was founded in 1882.

Rangers were put into liquidation and bought from the liquidator by Charles Greene and his associates, they now trade as the The Rangers Football Club, as opposed to The Glasgow Rangers Football Club. It is interesting to note that CG is currently in court fighting The Rangers over a number of issues, one being that they (The Rangers) contractually are obliged to pay his legal fees for his court case against them!!!!

I thought Rangers were stripped of their History.

ie. so when you look them up, it's down as a newly formed club, with no major honours.