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It's OK him taking responsibility for the defeat and team selection but he uses the usual excuse that the defence has been our problem ALL SEASON.

If that is the case why hasn't something been done about it when from almost Day 1 we've known that it simply wasn't going to be good enough.

If it was down to finances then (and I thought I'd never have to admit this) Peter McG and his colleagues have let everybody down in terms of not making an additional amount of money available.

He continues to use the same excuses about learning about his players....he should already know enough about them....not come the end of the season.

As for next season where is the experience going to come from given that the playing budget is low to start with and will probably be even lower unless by some magic a new backer is found. I seem to recall at the fans forum Peter McG saying that negotiations with a potential backer where already in place with a further number lined up. What's happened....

I really fear for next season and the prospect of a return to non league doesn't excite but one has to be realistic.....

Christies Child wrote:If it was down to finances then (and I thought I'd never have to admit this) Peter McG and his colleagues have let everybody down in terms of not making an additional amount of money available.

You're assuming that they have money available that they've chosen to hold back? Surely the issue will have been they didn't have any money to give?

Christies Child wrote:
If it was down to finances then (and I thought I'd never have to admit this) Peter McG and his colleagues have let everybody down in terms of not making an additional amount of money available.

This is addressing the point you made. I'm not posting just to have a dig. So respond to what I say if you wish, or just leave a row of rolleyes the way you often do, it's up to you.

I find the comment I have quoted pretty offensive to be honest. Peter McGuigan, and other directors past and present, have put a substantial amount of their own money into Morecambe, for no return other than the elevation of the club from non-league to league.

Without that money, Morecambe would more than likely be a mid-table conference team at best.

To say "they have let people down" is rather disrespectful in view of everything they have done for the club.

Does Morecambegeek only reply to CC?
#cyberbully

halftimeresults wrote:Does Morecambegeek only reply to CC?
#cyberbully

If you think my post is bullying, please report it.

In this instance Geek is correct and I realise that it was a stupid and incorrect assumption on my part. I therefore apologise to one and all.

On numerous occasions I have acknowledged the financial resources that Peter McG has put at the disposal of our club and without this I dread to think where our club would be now. Possibly somewhere in the lower leagues but most certainly not in the FL.

So I was wrong and am more that happy to admit it.

morecambegeek wrote:

halftimeresults wrote:Does Morecambegeek only reply to CC?
#cyberbully

If you think my post is bullying, please report it.

I dont think that post was bullying but i do think you are cyberbully

I get cyber bullied all the time and dont mind, in fact I like it, it arouses me

mrpotatohead wrote:I get cyber bullied all the time and dont mind, in fact I like it, it arouses me

You know that "bullying" & "whipping" aren't always the same thing?

halftimeresults wrote:

morecambegeek wrote:

halftimeresults wrote:Does Morecambegeek only reply to CC?
#cyberbully

If you think my post is bullying, please report it.

I dont think that post was bullying but i do think you are cyberbully

No point whining about it and not reporting it.

You post on a higher proportion of my posts than I post on CCs.

"Dugdale's still not right"

Has he EVER been ???

Jim words fail me for once , enough has been said on here about tuesdays debacle, i have only one question " wHY THE HELL START WITHSUCH AN IN EXPERIENCED BACK LINE ,ALL FOUR OF THEM ,WHY NT USE EXPERIENCE EARLY AND THEN FEED THEM IN " A BAD BAD SELECTION

parkyboy wrote:Jim words fail me for once , enough has been said on here about tuesdays debacle, i have only one question " wHY THE HELL START WITHSUCH AN IN EXPERIENCED BACK LINE ,ALL FOUR OF THEM ,WHY NT USE EXPERIENCE EARLY AND THEN FEED THEM IN " A BAD BAD SELECTION

If he was going to "blood" all those youngsters at the same time, he should have had Goodall in the middle of them, to give some direction and leadership, either as the defensive midfielder or a third centre back, and Baz behind them. Crazy to have another inexperienced younger, Kenyon, in with them, especially when we have a young inexperienced temporary goalie too! So that's six out of 11, all at the back, all young and inexperienced. Leaving the age/experience of Goodall and Parrish on the bench was pretty senseless! Let's hope it's another lesson learned for Jim.

The youngsters should have been been drip-fed in. How many people on here were calling for Doyle to be given a chance months ago? How many times has McGowan been on the bench? They've been there, waiting, for most of this season, so there was ample opportunity for them both to have been brought in separately to have a run of games surrounded by the older/experienced ones. To bring them all together at the same time as Baz being out and Goodall warming the bench was pretty stupid! With Baz out, he should have put the strongest back line out he could, not a time for blooding all the youngsters!

Jim operates a squad rotation system.

Problem is that he rotates it for every game which does nothing to build understanding between the players. And on the odd occasion that he does start with the same eleven it appears that they have different roles than in previous games.

I still doubt if he knows what his best 11 is after nearly a full season....

morecambegeek wrote:

Christies Child wrote:
If it was down to finances then (and I thought I'd never have to admit this) Peter McG and his colleagues have let everybody down in terms of not making an additional amount of money available.

This is addressing the point you made. I'm not posting just to have a dig. So respond to what I say if you wish, or just leave a row of rolleyes the way you often do, it's up to you.

I find the comment I have quoted pretty offensive to be honest. Peter McGuigan, and other directors past and present, have put a substantial amount of their own money into Morecambe, for no return other than the elevation of the club from non-league to league.

Without that money, Morecambe would more than likely be a mid-table conference team at best.

To say "they have let people down" is rather disrespectful in view of everything they have done for the club.

To play devil's advocate I think there are plenty of reasons that you could use to criticise the Chairman.

Here's one which I think has had the most profound impact on the club. During the design and build process consideration was given to building the third tier on the PMG Stand. Separately consideration was given to moving the North Stand to the new ground. The cost of the third tier was £2 million and five boxes are now largely unused. The cost of moving the North Stand less the cost of building what is the Omega Holidays Stand was a substantially smaller amount of money. Right choice? Not in my opinion. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I think the big money corporate approach won over consideration for ordinary fans. It might work in the Premiership but it will never work in League 2.

Unfortunately for such a succesful businessman, like many before him (Alan Sugar springs to mind), he doesn't seem to grasp the fact that a succesful club looks after its grass roots supporters ,the ones who are there through thick and thin, scant regard for the ''bread and butter'' fans has been prevelant ever since we moved, and issues have ignored for years whilst things have got worse, PMG now wants out, but won't think he's failed , he will probably think, ''I gave them league football, and a shiny new stadium, and they repaid me with apathy'', the real fans and the football have been given the ''cheap option'' since we moved.

mrpotatohead wrote:Unfortunately for such a succesful businessman, like many before him (Alan Sugar springs to mind), he doesn't seem to grasp the fact that a succesful club looks after its grass roots supporters ,the ones who are there through thick and thin, scant regard for the ''bread and butter'' fans has been prevelant ever since we moved, and issues have ignored for years whilst things have got worse, PMG now wants out, but won't think he's failed , he will probably think, ''I gave them league football, and a shiny new stadium, and they repaid me with apathy'', the real fans and the football have been given the ''cheap option'' since we moved.

I think it's typical mentality of the "corporates" who only know "business to business" sales agreed on the golf course, and havn't the faintest idea of delivering something to the end-user that they'll want to repeat and tell their friends about.

On paper, the Globe and MFC look fantastic - league football, new stadium, etc., but in reality, the actual match-day experience of the core supporter has been crap ever since the move, resulting in people walking away and not coming back.

I think it said it all when Mark Dixon took PMG to have a look behind the Omega at half time a few weeks ago. Are we to think that our chairman has never been there before during a match - why did he need MD to take him - didn't he know the way? That's pretty worrying and highlights the gulf between the board/management busily sucking up to the corporates in the W&L and the core supporters in the stands! I remember when the board members stood in the terraces alongside the fans, and where fans, board and players all met in the bar afterwards - we've sadly come a long way since then, and not for the better!

To be brutally honest, if that's what it has to be to stay in L2, then no thanks. I'd rather be back in the conference with a return to grass-roots football, a board made up of proper fans rather than corporates, and players who want to play for their team rather than the wage!

KenH wrote:

mrpotatohead wrote:Unfortunately for such a succesful businessman, like many before him (Alan Sugar springs to mind), he doesn't seem to grasp the fact that a succesful club looks after its grass roots supporters ,the ones who are there through thick and thin, scant regard for the ''bread and butter'' fans has been prevelant ever since we moved, and issues have ignored for years whilst things have got worse, PMG now wants out, but won't think he's failed , he will probably think, ''I gave them league football, and a shiny new stadium, and they repaid me with apathy'', the real fans and the football have been given the ''cheap option'' since we moved.

I think it's typical mentality of the "corporates" who only know "business to business" sales agreed on the golf course, and havn't the faintest idea of delivering something to the end-user that they'll want to repeat and tell their friends about.

On paper, the Globe and MFC look fantastic - league football, new stadium, etc., but in reality, the actual match-day experience of the core supporter has been crap ever since the move, resulting in people walking away and not coming back.

I think it said it all when Mark Dixon took PMG to have a look behind the Omega at half time a few weeks ago. Are we to think that our chairman has never been there before during a match - why did he need MD to take him - didn't he know the way? That's pretty worrying and highlights the gulf between the board/management busily sucking up to the corporates in the W&L and the core supporters in the stands! I remember when the board members stood in the terraces alongside the fans, and where fans, board and players all met in the bar afterwards - we've sadly come a long way since then, and not for the better!

To be brutally honest, if that's what it has to be to stay in L2, then no thanks. I'd rather be back in the conference with a return to grass-roots football, a board made up of proper fans rather than corporates, and players who want to play for their team rather than the wage!

I think this applies to most clubs these days. You can't really expect the owners to mix with the fans. They're on a different level. They wear suits to matches. I was invited into the directors box to watch a certain match not long ago and was forewarned suit and tie were essential. Oh...and as Morecambe were the away team, if they scored I was not to cheer, wave my arms or even leave my seat

KenH wrote:I think it said it all when Mark Dixon took PMG to have a look behind the Omega at half time a few weeks ago. Are we to think that our chairman has never been there before during a match - why did he need MD to take him - didn't he know the way?

The board come in for some stick on here, some of it is even deserved occasionally! But come on, walking around and discussing issues together is not unreasonable, in fact it would be dumb NOT to have done so.

The "Corporates" in the boxes have been generally made up of people going on freebies/invitation having a jolly and not individually spending the money - they rely on a relatively smaller group of owners/bosses who were/are prepared to fork out while enjoying themselves.
When some businesses pulled the plug. the hangers on and freebies have simply left to go and do other things.
The "grass roots" football fan might not have been on the high spending radar, but at least he was paying out of his own pocket for the love of it, not relying on someone else to do it. He would have stayed a lot longer than a freebie, who no longer gets one.

One particular box that spent £££££££££ every season is now spending similar amounts watching rugby instead.

We have lost customers from the areas with some great facilities as well as from the areas with not so good..
Shame