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EFL Trophy format

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:35 pm
by Christies Child
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f93/ ... ost1171903

Had to take from the Accy site as I don't think that an explanation of the format has been explained on here.

Personally I think it's a load of bollocks although I know that at least one Director is quite excited about the new format.

An assessment of its impact on League 1 and 2 teams will be made at the end of the season...but no doubt powerful lobbying by the Premier clubs will have more power than the humble likes of League 1 and 2 clubs.

If we draw say Man Utd away would the game be played at Old Trafford or at Carrington or even transfered to The Globe. :?: :?: :?:


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The EFL has confirmed the format of the EFL Trophy 2016/17 which, for the first time, will include 16 invited teams from clubs with Category One Academies.
A total of 64 clubs will compete in the competition beginning with 16 groups of four teams, each of which will include at least one club from each of Leagues One and Two, along with one invited team. The top two sides in each group will then go into a knockout stage that will culminate in a showpiece final at Wembley Stadium on April 2.

The new look competition will also have an enhanced prize fund with an expected £1.95m being up for grabs, including £10,000 per win and £5,000 per draw during the Group Stage and £100,000 for the eventual winner.

The first 16 clubs with Category One Academies that have been invited to take part in the EFL Trophy 2016/17 are Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton, Leicester City, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Middlesbrough, Newcastle United, Southampton, Stoke City, Sunderland, Swansea City, Tottenham Hotspur, West Bromwich Albion and West Ham United.

EFL Chief Executive, Shaun Harvey said: "The new format is intended to rejuvenate this competition and also assist the development of the very best young players in English football. This will help us deliver more and better home grown players which will deliver benefits to the national team and domestic league football at all levels.

"I believe this is the right time to pilot these changes to the EFL Trophy, which we will review at the end of the 2016/17 season following discussions with our clubs and having consulted with the other football bodies and supporter organisations."

A Premier League spokesman said: "The overriding aim of the Elite Player Performance Plan across the Premier League and English Football League is to produce more and better home grown players capable of performing at first team and international levels.

"Participation for a selection of Premier League clubs' teams to take part in the EFL Trophy is an important part of a range developments that both we and the EFL believe will help young, talented players progress physically and mentally on top of the technical aspect of their game developed in the Academy system.

"It is a progressive move by both leagues; one that we welcome."

Competition format

Clubs:

- 48 clubs from League One & Two.

- 16 invited Category One Academy teams.

Eligibility Criteria:

- EFL Clubs – a minimum of 5 ‘First Team’ players in the starting 11 as defined under the competition’s existing rules.

- Invited Clubs – 6 of the starting 11 to be U21 (as at June 30).

Group Stage:

- 16 groups of 4 teams organised on a regionalised basis.

- Groups to include one invited club and at least one club from each of Leagues One & Two.

- Clubs to play each other once, either home or away. Invited clubs will play one home game at the club’s first team stadium.

- Clubs will be awarded 3 points for a win and 1 point for a draw. In the event of a drawn game (after 90 minutes), a penalty shootout will be held with the winning team earning an additional point.

- The top two teams will progress to the Knockout Stage.

Knockout Stage:

- Round 2 (32 teams) will remain regionalised with each group winner being drawn at home to a second placed team from a different qualifying group.

- Round 3 (16 teams) and Round 4 (8 teams) will be ‘free’ draws.

- Semi-finals (4 teams) will be a 'free’ draw and will consist of single ties played at the stadium of the club drawn first in each tie.

- If scores are level after 90 minutes in Rounds 2, 3 and 4, the game will be determined by the taking of penalties. The EFL will confirm arrangements for the Semi-Finals and Final in due course following further consultation.

Dates:

- Group Stage
- w/c 29th August 2016
- w/c 3rd October 2016
- w/c 7th November 2016

- Round 2 - w/c 5th December 2016
- Round 3 - w/c 9th January 2017
- Round 4 - w/c 23rd January 2017
- Semi- Final - w/c 20th February 2017
- Final - 2nd April 2017 (Wembley Stadium)

The date of the draw for the group stage will be announced in due course.

Match Proceeds:

After deduction of match expenses, all proceeds will be split:
- 45% Home Club
- 45% Away Club
- 10% to the pool account

Invited clubs will donate all or some of their share of gate receipts to a fund that will be shared equally by League One and Two clubs.

Group Stage - Invited Clubs will donate their 45% share to the fund.
Knockout Stage - Invited Clubs will retain 25% of their share and donate 20% to the fund.
Semi-finals & Final - Invited Clubs will retain 30% of their share and donate 15% to the fund.

Read more at EFL Trophy: Format confirmed for 2016/17
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Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:29 pm
by John L
There was I expecting a post about the EFL Cup...

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:38 pm
by shrimperteer
Christies Child wrote:http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f93/efl-trophy-68319-3.html#post1171903

Had to take from the Accy site as I don't think that an explanation of the format has been explained on here.

Personally I think it's a load of bollocks although I know that at least one Director is quite excited about the new format.

An assessment of its impact on League 1 and 2 teams will be made at the end of the season...but no doubt powerful lobbying by the Premier clubs will have more power than the humble likes of League 1 and 2 clubs.

If we draw say Man Utd away would the game be played at Old Trafford or at Carrington or even transfered to The Globe. :?: :?: :?:


[b]
The EFL has confirmed the format of the EFL Trophy 2016/17 which, for the first time, will include 16 invited teams from clubs with Category One Academies.
A total of 64 clubs will compete in the competition beginning with 16 groups of four teams, each of which will include at least one club from each of Leagues One and Two, along with one invited team. The top two sides in each group will then go into a knockout stage that will culminate in a showpiece final at Wembley Stadium on April 2.

The new look competition will also have an enhanced prize fund with an expected £1.95m being up for grabs, including £10,000 per win and £5,000 per draw during the Group Stage and £100,000 for the eventual winner.

The first 16 clubs with Category One Academies that have been invited to take part in the EFL Trophy 2016/17 are Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton, Leicester City, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Middlesbrough, Newcastle United, Southampton, Stoke City, Sunderland, Swansea City, Tottenham Hotspur, West Bromwich Albion and West Ham United.

EFL Chief Executive, Shaun Harvey said: "The new format is intended to rejuvenate this competition and also assist the development of the very best young players in English football. This will help us deliver more and better home grown players which will deliver benefits to the national team and domestic league football at all levels.

"I believe this is the right time to pilot these changes to the EFL Trophy, which we will review at the end of the 2016/17 season following discussions with our clubs and having consulted with the other football bodies and supporter organisations."

A Premier League spokesman said: "The overriding aim of the Elite Player Performance Plan across the Premier League and English Football League is to produce more and better home grown players capable of performing at first team and international levels.

"Participation for a selection of Premier League clubs' teams to take part in the EFL Trophy is an important part of a range developments that both we and the EFL believe will help young, talented players progress physically and mentally on top of the technical aspect of their game developed in the Academy system.

"It is a progressive move by both leagues; one that we welcome."

Competition format

Clubs:

- 48 clubs from League One & Two.

- 16 invited Category One Academy teams.

Eligibility Criteria:

- EFL Clubs – a minimum of 5 ‘First Team’ players in the starting 11 as defined under the competition’s existing rules.

- Invited Clubs – 6 of the starting 11 to be U21 (as at June 30).

Group Stage:

- 16 groups of 4 teams organised on a regionalised basis.

- Groups to include one invited club and at least one club from each of Leagues One & Two.

- Clubs to play each other once, either home or away. Invited clubs will play one home game at the club’s first team stadium.

- Clubs will be awarded 3 points for a win and 1 point for a draw. In the event of a drawn game (after 90 minutes), a penalty shootout will be held with the winning team earning an additional point.

- The top two teams will progress to the Knockout Stage.

Knockout Stage:

- Round 2 (32 teams) will remain regionalised with each group winner being drawn at home to a second placed team from a different qualifying group.

- Round 3 (16 teams) and Round 4 (8 teams) will be ‘free’ draws.

- Semi-finals (4 teams) will be a 'free’ draw and will consist of single ties played at the stadium of the club drawn first in each tie.

- If scores are level after 90 minutes in Rounds 2, 3 and 4, the game will be determined by the taking of penalties. The EFL will confirm arrangements for the Semi-Finals and Final in due course following further consultation.

Dates:

- Group Stage
- w/c 29th August 2016
- w/c 3rd October 2016
- w/c 7th November 2016

- Round 2 - w/c 5th December 2016
- Round 3 - w/c 9th January 2017
- Round 4 - w/c 23rd January 2017
- Semi- Final - w/c 20th February 2017
- Final - 2nd April 2017 (Wembley Stadium)

The date of the draw for the group stage will be announced in due course.

Match Proceeds:

After deduction of match expenses, all proceeds will be split:
- 45% Home Club
- 45% Away Club
- 10% to the pool account

Invited clubs will donate all or some of their share of gate receipts to a fund that will be shared equally by League One and Two clubs.

Group Stage - Invited Clubs will donate their 45% share to the fund.
Knockout Stage - Invited Clubs will retain 25% of their share and donate 20% to the fund.
Semi-finals & Final - Invited Clubs will retain 30% of their share and donate 15% to the fund.

Read more at EFL Trophy: Format confirmed for 2016/17
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EFL cup, EFL trophy

I think we need credit card and paint related names for these tournaments as to avoid confusion.

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:39 pm
by Christies Child
Not sure how much truth there is in this report but it appears that Man Utd have declined an invitation to partake......probably because they don't want to get their possible future stars knees dirty playing on the likes of the Crown Ground at Accrington..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:52 pm
by Wild Bill
Mummm, the idea is starting to grow on me a bit, if nothing else because it might bring in a few extra quid. £10,000 per win (£5,000 for a draw) and gate receipts from the elite clubs as well as revenue from at least two extra home games will be money we couldn't refuse.

Just hope a weakened MFC don't get totally outclassed against some strong academies and L1 teams. Lets hope we get in a pool with Everton, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United or possibly Newcastle United with a trip out to a big stadium.

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:18 pm
by Keith
Christies Child wrote:If we draw say Man Utd away would the game be played at Old Trafford or at Carrington or even transfered to The Globe. :?: :?: :?:

Invited clubs will play one home game at the club’s first team stadium.


Did you read your own post? :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Man City kids v Morecambe at the Etihad in front of 400 people on a Tuesday night?

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:22 pm
by marky No.1
Only one top team in each League so don't think you can get that Bill. The academy team can only play once at home

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:55 pm
by Wild Bill
marky No.1 wrote:Only one top team in each League so don't think you can get that Bill. The academy team can only play once at home


Yup but one of them would be nice. Still think you'd get a half decent crowd at Anfield or Old Trafford if they priced it right and we would still take a good few too just to say we'd watched Morecambe play there.

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:30 am
by SupermarketShrimp
I disagree with the concept on every level but the fact that this guarantees us a fair chunk of money if we get Everton or city etc (United have refused the invitation!) has got to be worth probably a players salary in gate receipts. We simply can't turn that down and have to get behind it.

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:32 am
by SupermarketShrimp
Christies Child wrote:Not sure how much truth there is in this report but it appears that Man Utd have declined an invitation to partake......probably because they don't want to get their possible future stars knees dirty playing on the likes of the Crown Ground at Accrington..... :lol: :lol: :lol:


Exactly that amd rightly so. These kids will be worth millions and I wouldn't be risking that for one league 2 carthorse with a chip on his shoulder about being released giving one of them a reducer.

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:41 am
by John L
I'm not in favour of including Premier League reserve teams, however the use of their home stadiums is a sweetener. No problems with the format or extra income though.

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:14 pm
by Teams like Morecambe
SupermarketShrimp wrote:These kids will be worth millions and I wouldn't be risking that for one league 2 carthorse with a chip on his shoulder about being released giving one of them a reducer.


Don't think United worry about money. They have bid £100m for a player they released four years ago offering wages of £300,000 per week. The Premier League is disgusting.

In other news Man City have signed an 18 year old to play the computer game FIFA!

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:59 pm
by steve mfc
Well I'm totally against the idea of premier league academy sides taking part and Im far from convinced that people will turn out in significant numbers to watch what is in effect a bunch of kids all be it good ones, this concept has nothing whatsoever to do with helping lower league football and is all about aiding the premiership elite. Personally I would like to see all league 1 and 2 supporters boycott the games against the academy sides. If they really want to help the lower leagues then give then give us a better share of the huge amount of money they receive in TV revenue.

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:33 pm
by Arnside Red
Agree fully Steve, this will just be the first step of these sides weaselling their way into the Football League................the Premiership is an odious animal.........I cant see many of their fans turning up for such games, look at their gates for league cup matches and reserve games.....

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:15 am
by morecambegeek
Suggest some people in this thread look at FA Youth Cup attendances at the grounds of the Premier League sides if they are anticipating some form of bumper payday from play Man Utd's U-12s at Old Trafford.

That said, there will always be the local dickheads who turn up to any match involving a big Premier League side on the off chance one of the big players turns up

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:17 am
by Posh
Well I'll be boycotting the EFL Trophy games.

We're incredibly rare in the world of football to have such a well supported football pyramid. The reason it works is we don't have 'B teams' playing and the low crowds and lack of promotion that results.

This is just another step of greed taking over football with yet more games in an already overcrowded fixture calendar. Yet the outcome will be meaningless. Short-term 'gain', long-term damage. Instead of 59,000 at Wembley to watch Barnsley win it could be 4,000 to watch Stoke Reserves v Palace Reserves. If anyone at our club think getting 800 on a Tuesday night is going to help our finances then they're very wrong. Lobbying for better Christmas fixtures and Portsmouth on a Saturday would have brought in more money in one fell swoop.

Many fans of lower league clubs have voiced their opposition http://www.againstleague3.co.uk and I hope they can galvanize opposition.

P.S. The Football League are a joke. It seems they didn't get agreement in place with Premier League teams. Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd have already refused invitations to participate. It is becoming an even bigger joke.

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:13 am
by RedRedWine
They should scrap the proposed new format and revert to the one of the previous few seasons. I've actually enjoyed the much derided competition, not just because we've done well in it but because it throws up a lot of local games which are more interesting IMO. I'm also all for league three if it means a regionalised step as the bottom tier, so long as the new teams come from the conference and are not reserve/B teams.

I gather very few clubs voted against the proposed chances to the competitions format and one of them was Accrington. It would be interesting to know how our club voted and their reasons for doing so in any case..... But I think we can all guess how and why we voted.... Liverpool FC (cough XI) springs to mind.

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:23 am
by Gone_Shrimping
RedRedWine wrote:They should scrap the proposed new format and revert to the one of the previous few seasons. I've actually enjoyed the much derided competition, not just because we've done well in it but because it throws up a lot of local games which are more interesting IMO. I'm also all for league three if it means a regionalised step as the bottom tier, so long as the new teams come from the conference and are not reserve/B teams.

I gather very few clubs voted against the proposed chances to the competitions format and one of them was Accrington. It would be interesting to know how our club voted and their reasons for doing so in any case..... But I think we can all guess how and why we voted.... Liverpool FC (cough XI) springs to mind.


I thought I had seen somewhere that Morecambe also voted against it but not seen any official statement about our stance on the new format.

There's no chance that I would pay money to watch us play kids from a Premier league team.

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:38 am
by marky No.1
Wild Bill wrote:
marky No.1 wrote:Only one top team in each League so don't think you can get that Bill. The academy team can only play once at home


Yup but one of them would be nice. Still think you'd get a half decent crowd at Anfield or Old Trafford if they priced it right and we would still take a good few too just to say we'd watched Morecambe play there.


As Posh says, it's very unlikely to happen

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Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:40 am
by RedRedWine
The League Paper

Yes, after a bit of digging (google search) you are correct; we did vote against the proposed changes along with Accrington Stanley, AFC Wimbledon, Luton, Port Vale, Hartlepoop United, Portsmouth, Fleetwood Town, and Port Vale according to this article. Apologies for my insinuation that the club are only ever interested in money... Seems in this instance they weren't.

But this does show a failing of our club to be in control of its own news... This should've been on the club website so that we could've discussed it and latterly the Visitor could've come across it and put it in the paper two weeks later.

P.S. Apologies if this was on our website, must've missed it!

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:47 am
by marky No.1
Gone_Shrimping wrote:
I thought I had seen somewhere that Morecambe also voted against it but not seen any official statement about our stance on the new format.
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Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:29 pm
by Teams like Morecambe
Man City have opted out. The early rounds clash with U21 international fixtures.

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:48 pm
by skeletor
have noticed that the irn bru cup in scotland now has scottish premier league under 20s sides in it.previously it was contested by all teams outside the prem division.so have efl copied their idea or did they copy ours?

Re: EFL Cup format

PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:35 pm
by skeletor
of twelve under 20s sides only one side got through the last round of the irn bru cup,celtic