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Another poor, gutless performance against Stanley. I felt the game was calling out for something new like more game time for Jordan but no, the same old spiritless mediocrity refereed by another abysmal official that ex-referees on the forum will rush to defend with the usual excuse of difficulties in recruitment.I hope the NHS doesn't work on the same basis- Your surgeon today is not very good but we are struggling to find doctors!! The passion of February has long gone and the body language of some of the players is that we are safe for another season. Whatever happens at the end of the season with the club ownership, it is time for a mass clear out. Several of the team are not good enough to be playing at this level. Sadly Peter Murphy brings nothing to the party, in sharp contrast to Rose- in my opinion he is our best player by a country mile and must be offered a new contract. It's no wonder crowds are poor. The football we are witnessing is dire, hoof ball with skill at a premium.

As soon as is possible given the ownership issues , Rose should be offered a 2 year contract and told that he is the captain.

Talk of clear-outs and new contracts....have you both heard something?

It's gone very quiet

There's still time for a resolutuion, an alarming thing though, yestrerday the owners of an Indian restaurant ,part of a chain, were looking round the community building, having said that I am sure some fans would love an all you can eat indian buffet at 40 quid a head with a free view of the match, bit pricy for a ''freeloader'' like myself though

fulwoodshrimp wrote:
...another abysmal official that ex-referees on the forum will rush to defend with the usual excuse of difficulties in recruitment.I hope the NHS doesn't work on the same basis- Your surgeon today is not very good but we are struggling to find doctors!!

Not a good analogy. In fact, it is an analogy that entirely backs up my argument about recruitment! I asked in the 'crap ref thread', would fans accept matches being postponed due to a lack of officials? The NHS regularly cancels operations due to a lack of suitably qualified staff. Please turn up for the game on Saturday, but we may need to postpone it until Monday if we can't find a referee...

I'm not sure in the NHS that operations are cancelled because they can't find surgeons. I think delays are caused by emergencies receiving priority and operations taking longer than anticipated due to complications. The excuse that recruitment for referees is difficult doesn't explain or justify very poor referees. We need to develop a better system of recruiting and training referees.

Referees from Nigeria and India and linesmen from the Phillippines, perhaps?

The best liners I have seen at The Globe this season have been female.

Gone_Shrimping wrote:The best liners I have seen at The Globe this season have been female.

It's often said that women have to be twice as good to break into a traditionally all-male preserve. Would be great to see female officials taking full charge of games. And more non-white officials, the ethnic mix in EFL refereeing seems practically nonexistent. If you want to kill off racism in football, more black officials would seem an obvious way to go.

fulwoodshrimp wrote:Another poor, gutless performance against Stanley. I felt the game was calling out for something new like more game time for Jordan but no, the same old spiritless mediocrity refereed by another abysmal official that ex-referees on the forum will rush to defend with the usual excuse of difficulties in recruitment.I hope the NHS doesn't work on the same basis- Your surgeon today is not very good but we are struggling to find doctors!! The passion of February has long gone and the body language of some of the players is that we are safe for another season. Whatever happens at the end of the season with the club ownership, it is time for a mass clear out. Several of the team are not good enough to be playing at this level. Sadly Peter Murphy brings nothing to the party, in sharp contrast to Rose- in my opinion he is our best player by a country mile and must be offered a new contract. It's no wonder crowds are poor. The football we are witnessing is dire, hoof ball with skill at a premium.

Had to take the bait.

It is a fact that recruitement is a problem. It is not an excuse it is the reality. However I think that football gets the refs that the crowd, managers and players deserve. The level of hostility they face in football as opposed to most other sports reduces the numbers willing to do it. Much of the criticism of particular reffing decisions on this site is evidence that there is a generally low knowledge of the laws of the game just as much of the abuse they get in the game from the crowd is based on lack of knowledge much of the time.

The point has been made above about more ethnic minority refs might help the anti-racism cause. I wonder- the general hatred for refs could worsen the case where refs are from a minority.

The reason we are losing so many games is not down to the ref making a mistake it is that we play like headless chickens at times. Most of our players would not get a contract at any other club at this level and many are rejects from close rivals. Murphy was released by Accrington after all. It should be expected that we lose more than we win. Bentley is an alchemist to get the odd purple patch. Other times we play without passion or commitment for which there is no excuse. The only game I have seen this season where, in my opinion, the refs mistake had an impact on the outcome was when the stamper was not sent off with Kenyon. 10 against 10 may have led to a different outcome.

friedshrimp wrote:Murphy was released by Accrington after all.

No he wasn't.

Shrimpy wrote:

friedshrimp wrote:Murphy was released by Accrington after all.

No he wasn't.

ok, fair cop. Free transfer from Accrington to Wycombe.

The performance wasn't short of guts or endeavour, it was short of energy and power.

The lads look Donald Ducked. The mind is willing but the body isn't. Murphy's a prime example. He's a bystander.

They've been playing twice a week for 5/6 weeks now and it's showing. Jim's selection is essentially "Who's fit" and then somehow fit everyone in a formation to concede as few as possible whilst maximising the pace up front.

It's the first Accrington defeat where I'll put my hand on my heart and say they gave it everything. They were against a fresher side with a larger squad to move around.

That victory on the bank holiday weekend will live long as a fan, one of the top 10 days for me that, fantastic day.

friedshrimp wrote:

Shrimpy wrote:

friedshrimp wrote:Murphy was released by Accrington after all.

No he wasn't.

ok, fair cop. Free transfer from Accrington to Wycombe.

Wasn't his contract cancelled at WW by mutual consent?

Westgate Wanderer wrote:

friedshrimp wrote:ok, fair cop. Free transfer from Accrington to Wycombe.

Wasn't his contract cancelled at WW by mutual consent?

His move from Accrington to Wycombe came about as he was out of contract at Stanley and decided he wanted a new challenge (think us losing Miller and Devitt).

He then moved to us the following year, can only assume he wanted to move back north and Wycombe agreed to allow him to despite only being 1 year into a 2 year deal.

Unfortunately injuries seem to have done him in which is a real shame as his signing was a real coup at the time I felt. He's a shadow of player that used to terrorise us for Accrington and Wycombe.

To be fair I didn't think there ref was bad last night. He got most decisions right, but we all make mistakes.
I agree that last night was a bridge too far for Murphs, he was picked as players usually step up against their old clubs, but he was just knackered.
No lack of effort in the second period, obviously they were the better side first half, but we showed more endeavor and spirit second period, until the unfortunate Alex Whitmore mistake. He was gutted, poor lad, but he will learn from it and he has been outstanding week in and out since his return, at 20 he's a prospect.
That save pulled off by Rodak from the Rose shot was top class by the way.
A brave effort but a little too late.

Surely Flemo, Mullers and Conlan all start against the Coach Drivers X1??

Freez wrote:To be fair I didn't think there ref was bad last night. He got most decisions right, but we all make mistakes.
I agree that last night was a bridge too far for Murphs, he was picked as players usually step up against their old clubs, but he was just knackered.
No lack of effort in the second period, obviously they were the better side first half, but we showed more endeavor and spirit second period, until the unfortunate Alex Whitmore mistake. He was gutted, poor lad, but he will learn from it and he has been outstanding week in and out since his return, at 20 he's a prospect.
That save pulled off by Rodak from the Rose shot was top class by the way.
A brave effort but a little too late.

Surely Flemo, Mullers and Conlan all start against the Coach Drivers X1??

Agreed. I have thought for a while that Conlan deserved some games but Jim's system seems to rule him out.

May have missed a comment somewhere but is Alex kenyon injured again or just not match fit?.

Is Evans injured?

Kenyon might be bench, Evans injured but might be back!

I thought we gave it a good go second half, particularly after Flemmo and Mullers were brought on. However by then the damage was done.

Feel sorry for Murphs. Still clearly understands the positional side of the game but the injuries have meant he looks utterly knackered and a passenger in most games.

Rose was excellent again and, despite all the strengths of Ryan Edwards, he's my player of the season by a country mile. Applauding the players off on his own at the end showed to me a natural captain and I really hope we can keep him.

Was also surprised Molly came off as he worked hard and got some joy whereas Duckworth seemed off the pace and missed a lot of tackles.

Hopefully we can give our best 11 a few games, as ever since players came back, new loanees joined and our backs were no longer to the wall we've gone a bit December.

A shambolic first 45 and some improvement in the second but Accy fully desereved their victory by showing us all that it is possible to play 'on the deck' at The Globe. Unfortunately once again we play hoof ball to a non existant target man hoping for the best. I can't recall a single header that we won in the air until Mullin came on but by then the damage had been done.

As much as it hurts to admit but Coley and Co got their tactics spot on and it was significant how little onfield instructions where passed to his team whereas Jim and Co it was a constant stream of instructions.Iit begs the question for me that any pre match dressing room talk seems to go out of the window when the lads get on the field.

As someone commented maybe they are already in holiday mood knowing that they are safe but surely professional pride and a future FL contracrt is worth playing for?

As Posh says Rose must be kept on a further contract because I dread to think where we would be without him. Surley the clubs Captain going forward is the least we can expect.

As for Murphy.....his best days are well behind him due to injuries and it is sad to see how he is in contrast to the player he once was.

I get the frustration and I get that the performances of late haven't been great.

But... playing for a contract at Morecambe FC - are you joking? Seriously, are you?

Coleman's men are playing at a club that (now) has a solid financial footing and they know that will continue next season. They can afford to bring in decent quality players and loanees and the current crop know that.

The players we have tied on contracts for next year have no idea whether those will be worth anything in terms of guaranteed wages for 2017/18, the others - given what they've put up with this season - would be stark-raving mad to put pen to paper on another 12 months as things stand.

These are not normal circumstances so, in my view, we can't judge them by normal criteria.

I'm not saying below par displays should just be brushed off as 'acceptable' - but surely they are at least 'understandable'.