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Are they being removed for Easter?

Last weekend they caused havoc for those travelling South. I can't see any reason why they are still there.

I thought they were going to gradually remove them. There were more yesterday on the by-pass. It would be nice to see some work going on one of these times I use it but I guess David Morris is busy on other things now! The whole thing is a debacle and little wonder it went over budget.

Personally, When it opened on 30.10, the clocks were just going back, it was dark at 8am and was dark again at 4pm. With rush hour in the darkness people not used to the new road went flying along and the new roundabout surprised a few in the first couple of weeks, lorries, a bus and a couple of cars all went too fast in the dark.
Just a thought that if it had opened this month, with it light at 6am until 8.30pm, people could have got used to it in daylight and PERHAPS driven a little more sensibly in the dark later in the year?
Just a thought!

They should have just driven carefully to begin with and not be such numpties. The first time I went down it it was pitch black but I managed quite easily.

Fair point, but as you say, numpties didnt!

P/T Indie wrote:They should have just driven carefully to begin with and not be such numpties.

Problem is, numpties don't just kill themselves, they kill other people too. It quite clearly became an accident blackspot within weeks of opening. You'd have thought they would have fixed it by now though!

Keith wrote:

P/T Indie wrote:They should have just driven carefully to begin with and not be such numpties.

Problem is, numpties don't just kill themselves, they kill other people too. It quite clearly became an accident blackspot within weeks of opening. You'd have thought they would have fixed it by now though!

Bet it would have been fixed if it was down South....

What's annoying is that no information about when it will be sorted has been made public....

Freez wrote:Personally, When it opened on 30.10, the clocks were just going back, it was dark at 8am and was dark again at 4pm. With rush hour in the darkness people not used to the new road went flying along and the new roundabout surprised a few in the first couple of weeks, lorries, a bus and a couple of cars all went too fast in the dark.
Just a thought that if it had opened this month, with it light at 6am until 8.30pm, people could have got used to it in daylight and PERHAPS driven a little more sensibly in the dark later in the year?
Just a thought!

Perhaps people could have just driven according to the situation, like you should do on any road. If you can't see the road ahead, slow down. Simples.

We spend too much time & money protecting idiots from themselves.

Bare Grills wrote:We spend too much time & money protecting idiots from themselves.

It's not so much protecting them against themselves, it's more about protecting other innocent parties they may plough into.

What if those idiotic drivers who couldn't slow down had ploughed into another car going round the roundabout or a stray pedestrian?

I couldn't give a toss whether some idiot writes off their own car by ploughing into the roundabout or injures themselves - that's Darwinism. But innocent people in front of them DO need protecting.

KenH wrote:

Bare Grills wrote:We spend too much time & money protecting idiots from themselves.

It's not so much protecting them against themselves, it's more about protecting other innocent parties they may plough into.

What if those idiotic drivers who couldn't slow down had ploughed into another car going round the roundabout or a stray pedestrian?

I couldn't give a toss whether some idiot writes off their own car by ploughing into the roundabout or injures themselves - that's Darwinism. But innocent people in front of them DO need protecting.

How far do we go to protect the innocent? A (financial & stupidity) line has to be drawn somewhere. I'm not aware there's been anyone injured on the new road yet, just idiots driving too fast approaching the roundabout.

Bare Grills wrote:I'm not aware there's been anyone injured on the new road yet

So we wait until someone is badly injured or killed, then put in some street lamps?

The approach to that particular roundabout from both ways is steeper and drivers don't adapt to that.
It is very simple.
Drive to the conditions and don't be a dickhead.
I also wonder when those cones will ever be removed.

seasonsinthesun wrote:The approach to that particular roundabout from both ways is steeper and drivers don't adapt to that.
It is very simple.
Drive to the conditions and don't be a dickhead.
I also wonder when those cones will ever be removed.

Maybe if they could see the roundabout it might help , what cost a few street lamps when you have just spent 155 m on a new road , penny pinching or what . I bet they have spent as much on the bladdy cones and the time in manpower it takes to put them down and pick them up again . There is more than enough street lighting at either end of the bypass so they could have used less there and plonked some in the middle .

I find it strange coming past the cross keys towards Lancaster now all the cones have gone. You come onto the 40 limit then past the end of Hest Bank Lane which was a 30 zone during the roadworks.
The 30 signs have now disappeared until Beaumont College where there is a tiny 30 sign behind a tree branch just before the speed camera, which has been there for years.
Don't think there is a 40 coming out the other way either - just not finished!

The street lamps are the only indication I guess

parceldave wrote:Maybe if they could see the roundabout it might help , what cost a few street lamps when you have just spent 155 m on a new road , penny pinching or what . I bet they have spent as much on the bladdy cones and the time in manpower it takes to put them down and pick them up again . There is more than enough street lighting at either end of the bypass so they could have used less there and plonked some in the middle .

I think it was more of a sop to the nimbys who were complaining about the light pollution in a rural area rather than the cost. The original plans did include lighting.

KenH wrote:

parceldave wrote:Maybe if they could see the roundabout it might help , what cost a few street lamps when you have just spent 155 m on a new road , penny pinching or what . I bet they have spent as much on the bladdy cones and the time in manpower it takes to put them down and pick them up again . There is more than enough street lighting at either end of the bypass so they could have used less there and plonked some in the middle .

I think it was more of a sop to the nimbys who were complaining about the light pollution in a rural area rather than the cost. The original plans did include lighting.

I can't for the life of me see how a few lights around the roundabout are going to create excessive light pollution. This has been nothing more than a sop to the nimbys who haven't got the grace to admit that their fears have proved groundless.

I suggest that residents on Morecambe Road are seeing the benefits of the new road with a reduction in the freight vehicles on a daily basis.

Information for numpties---The new link road is not a motorway (NOT 70 mph limit) but 40's and 50's. Stop blaming the layout,it is you that is at fault.

1953 wrote:--The new link road is not a motorway (NOT 70 mph limit) but 40's and 50's. .

The part that is marked as national Speed Limit is, strange how many people do 60 there, then continue doing 60 through the 50 & 40mph areas!

1953 wrote:Information for numpties---The new link road is not a motorway (NOT 70 mph limit) but 40's and 50's. Stop blaming the layout,it is you that is at fault.

The section between Beaumont roundabout at Halton/M6 IS 70mph as it's national speed limit which is 70 for a dual carriageway.

40mph around the College/White Lund end, and changes to 50mph near the railway bridge maybe half way between Torrisholme and Beaumont.

What amazes me is that there have been no speed cameras either on the new road or through the 50 mph limit on the M6. If there had been they would have made enough in fines to pay off the national debt!

I stand corrected Mr MfcChris--regarding the section that has a national speed limit (70mph). However that still means there are plenty of numpties on this road who break the limit on the other sections.!![Rather sounds like you are defending them]. Hope I am wrong

marky No.1 wrote:I find it strange coming past the cross keys towards Lancaster now all the cones have gone. You come onto the 40 limit then past the end of Hest Bank Lane which was a 30 zone during the roadworks.
The 30 signs have now disappeared until Beaumont College where there is a tiny 30 sign behind a tree branch just before the speed camera, which has been there for years.
Don't think there is a 40 coming out the other way either - just not finished!

The street lamps are the only indication I guess

30 mph sign now appeared, maybe the highways department read this forum