Shrimpsvoices

Given the fact that our finances are in a woeful state , and that Carlisle have already sold most of their allocation, I think we should be giving them all the tickets they want, apart from the away end , they should get all of the Berlin wall terrace , and half of the main stand , we will not fill the remaining areas and the windfall would far outweigh any inconvenience to any relocated home supporters, it would be great to see the place nearly full, I would suggest fans emailing the club urging this to be facilitated .

Find myself in total agreement once again.....

Rather have a healthy away support that puts money into our coffers than empty seats.

BUT being a selfish old sod I do not want to see any incursion by Carlisle fans into either C1 or C Premier Blocks that are and should be retained for SHRIMPS fans.

By all means give the Dumbrians their usual allocation and extended a further portion of Block B if it is felt that they would fill it...but not an inch further that would penetrate C1.

Not sure whether they'd be allowed to have the C blocks as half/half as that surely means mixing opposing fans, and would Carlisle fans want to pay a premium for access to the Local Choice suite?

I suppose the best they could do would be to move the black sheeting from half the B block to cover the away side of the C block to allow the full B block to be used for Carlisle fans. Then they'd just have to squeeze in everyone who sits on the away side of First Choice Suite into the home side instead - probably a lot of very unhappy season ticket holders and regulars! Presumably the stairs between B & C blocks can't be used for both supporters, so it would have to be handed over to the away fans, meaning all the seats in the away side of the C block would be unusable, hence moving the black material along.

Given another couple of hundred fans is only £4,000 (at £20 per head), is it really worth the effort, additional stewards costs, disgruntled home fans, etc? If we're losing £700-800K per year, does a few thousand really make any difference?

KenH wrote:
If we're losing £700-800K per year, does a few thousand really make any difference?

Perhaps that is WHY we're losing so much, because we're not doing the 'little' things right (such as advertising games)? If we got the little things right, then perhaps we'd see the big problems being reduced?

Keith wrote:

KenH wrote:
If we're losing £700-800K per year, does a few thousand really make any difference?

Perhaps that is WHY we're losing so much, because we're not doing the 'little' things right (such as advertising games)? If we got the little things right, then perhaps we'd see the big problems being reduced?

Aren't we likely to alienate regulars/st holders if we arbitrarily move them to other seats? I know I wouldn't be too impressed to arrive only to be told my seats are now in the middle of a front or back row after it's taken me a few years to snap up the central end of row seats in one of the best middle rows in the c block, for which I regard as one of the benefits of being a s/t holder (i.e. guarantee of the seats I want) and for which I'm happy to pay a premium. If I was liable to be moved, then I don't think I'd buy a s/t and would just pay for the games I attended, which would be less revenue to the club. Quite simply, I pay for the s/t for the guaranteed seat, even though I don't attend all games - for me it's worth paying more.

But yes, the club needs to do the "little things" better, as you say, like the signage, and not giving duff information on twitter, but for me, them moving pre-booked seats is a step too far

A step too far?..... having no team coz we've gone bust is a step too Far matey, there's also extra revenue from food and drink etc. It's a no brainer , every penny counts at the moment, and even a mildly inconvenienced "supporter" Should see that.

mrpotatohead wrote:A step too far?..... having no team coz we've gone bust is a step too Far matey, there's also extra revenue from food and drink etc. It's a no brainer , every penny counts at the moment, and even a mildly inconvenienced "supporter" Should see that.

We currently pay £838 per season for s/t between us in prem c. If we ran the risk of being shunted around on a whim, then I simply wouldn't bother paying that kind of money - we're already on a knife edge whether to bother given the poor entertainment. There's an awful lot of money being paid by block c and prem c s/t holders that the club would be crazy to risk for just a couple of hundred extra away supporters bringing in only a few k once in a while. After all, the club didn't even take away the black covering from B block for the Newcastle game nor the end of season Southend game. The Berlin wall, yes, but to mess around with the PMG block would cause more alienation and less revenue in the long term.

Just out of interest, how do you practically make your "half and half" idea work given the constraints of the blocks etc in the PMG. You're keen to rubbish opposing views, but havn't actually given us a realistic and workable method of giving Carlisle half the PMG?

How about considering the fact that we may be in need of these 3 points and do not want to be massively outnumbered by carlisle fans,money is not everything! And surely the police will have a big part to play in any decision to be made!

KenH wrote:

Keith wrote:

KenH wrote:
If we're losing £700-800K per year, does a few thousand really make any difference?

Perhaps that is WHY we're losing so much, because we're not doing the 'little' things right (such as advertising games)? If we got the little things right, then perhaps we'd see the big problems being reduced?

Aren't we likely to alienate regulars/st holders if we arbitrarily move them to other seats? I know I wouldn't be too impressed to arrive only to be told my seats are now in the middle of a front or back row after it's taken me a few years to snap up the central end of row seats in one of the best middle rows in the c block, for which I regard as one of the benefits of being a s/t holder (i.e. guarantee of the seats I want) and for which I'm happy to pay a premium. If I was liable to be moved, then I don't think I'd buy a s/t and would just pay for the games I attended, which would be less revenue to the club. Quite simply, I pay for the s/t for the guaranteed seat, even though I don't attend all games - for me it's worth paying more.

Ah, but that is a different question to the one I answered!

Should we do little things better? Yes! Should we risk pissing off even more fans? Probably not, for the reasons you suggest.

mrpotatohead wrote:Given the fact that our finances are in a woeful state , and that Carlisle have already sold most of their allocation, I think we should be giving them all the tickets they want, apart from the away end , they should get all of the Berlin wall terrace , and half of the main stand , we will not fill the remaining areas and the windfall would far outweigh any inconvenience to any relocated home supporters, it would be great to see the place nearly full, I would suggest fans emailing the club urging this to be facilitated .

Not the main stand, it would be a nightmare for security segregating fans at half time drinking in the same bar!

Plus you'd have to start serving drinks in plastic cups incase it went off, and if it did go off they'd be chairs tables etc going everywhere.

Berlin Wall, Away End, Sections A & B will do, plus the Stewards and Security have experience doing it that way, it's tried and trusted.

I never mentioned c premium. ..they already get section a so b as well and the Berlin Wall was all I was suggesting.

mrpotatohead wrote:I never mentioned c premium. ..they already get section a so b as well and the Berlin Wall was all I was suggesting.

Away fans already get A & B. You said half the main stand which must include half of C/C prem. As I said, if you remove the black covering of half block B, you have to move it to block off some of block C which is only accessible from the B/C stairs, otherwise the stairs between B & C would be for both supporters which presumably is not permissible.

Why not give them the whole ground and let local pubs and clubs show the game via iPlayer. Squids in and we're all happy.

outsider wrote:Why not give them the whole ground and let local pubs and clubs show the game via iPlayer. Squids in and we're all happy.

After all we have built them a road to get them to the Globe Marina easier

Away fans get A , not A and B Ken, or the Berlin wall, we need their money coz we don't even quarter fill the place, unit picking isn't an option.

The home supporters could be put in the away end....there would still be enough room for a few floaters!

Given the shit deal the home supporters have had at the globe, they should be spared, it'd be unfair on our "12th man",

mrpotatohead wrote:Away fans get A , not A and B Ken, or the Berlin wall, we need their money coz we don't even quarter fill the place, unit picking isn't an option.

Sure the black netting is on the end of B section with some away fans sitting in that part of B.

Im not splitting a hairs just trying to defuse the confusion.

They sometimes get a and B if the away end is closed, if they got a and B, plus the away end and the Berlin wall they could have 2500 fans here netting us around 50 grand plus pie money etc.

Just make sure we have enough pies to sell them

KenH wrote:

mrpotatohead wrote:A step too far?..... having no team coz we've gone bust is a step too Far matey, there's also extra revenue from food and drink etc. It's a no brainer , every penny counts at the moment, and even a mildly inconvenienced "supporter" Should see that.

We currently pay £838 per season for s/t between us in prem c. If we ran the risk of being shunted around on a whim, then I simply wouldn't bother paying that kind of money - we're already on a knife edge whether to bother given the poor entertainment. There's an awful lot of money being paid by block c and prem c s/t holders that the club would be crazy to risk for just a couple of hundred extra away supporters bringing in only a few k once in a while. After all, the club didn't even take away the black covering from B block for the Newcastle game nor the end of season Southend game. The Berlin wall, yes, but to mess around with the PMG block would cause more alienation and less revenue in the long term.

Just out of interest, how do you practically make your "half and half" idea work given the constraints of the blocks etc in the PMG. You're keen to rubbish opposing views, but havn't actually given us a realistic and workable method of giving Carlisle half the PMG?

We should give them half the Berlin Wall if possible (If I recall we gave them all of it one year which alienated the Berlin Wall faithful so gave them half of it the next time).

But you saying give them it and not your seat is a bit rich. You are not better than anyone stood on the other side.

that's the problem with c premium fans ...it's one rule for them and another for us working class fans !

mrpotatohead wrote:that's the problem with c premium fans ...it's one rule for them and another for us working class fans !

There's got to be some benefit to paying twice as much!

Let them eat cake. As they ran out of pies.

Christies Child wrote:Dumbrians

Aren't you from Cumbria ???