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Midfield against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:24 am
by fulwoodshrimp
We are obviously facing one of the biggest games in the club's history on Saturday and need to offer a goal threat that has been absent for many of the games lately. In my opinion, the problem starts with midfield not retaining possession and feeding the strikers with a decent service. For me Michael Rose looks a shadow of the player we had last season and there are large gaps in midfield. I would find places for Wildig and Fleming to liven up the middle of the pitch and leave Rose on the bench. I would also look at starting Wilde out wide supporting Lang and Kevin Ellison(?). Hopefully with a better supply of ball these forwards can threaten and even do something missing from the last three games and SCORE. I don't want us to stack the side with defenders looking to frustrate Coventry and prevent them from scoring. That tactic doesn't work and invites enormous pressure on the defence. We have to attack and if we managed to score the first goal we would give ourselves a fighting chance of the point we require.COYS

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:49 am
by Gone_Shrimping
Fleming and Wildig have to start for me. Wildig making his late runs into the box like against Carlisle and Lincoln. He is contracted for next season so has a real incentive to do the business.

I would play Kenyon ahead of Rose.

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:55 am
by Freez
For me, Flemo does a great job nicking the ball and starting attacks and is a better passer than many, so he can still defend but has a good engine. So he's a must start. Alex is brill at winning the ball back too, but perhaps the simple pass is needed from him. Wylde, Lang, McGurk (despite his frustrating touches last week) and WIldig can all play a bit too, and the Ricoh pitch is like a carpet.

A thought - We and they need a point, lets repeats the 1982 World Cup group game, West Germany V Austria, sporting Anschluss, both sides need a point to qualify and what do you know? They drew 1-1!! Hey Presto everyone's happy, apart from Mad Dog!!
Cov don't need hefty tackles and injuries in the play offs surely!

Seriously, if we approach this like Barnet did last Saturday, first to the ball, first to the bounce, quick passing, a point is possible.
If we sit back and invite them on, we are buggered.

GO FOR IT!!

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:00 am
by Duffman
Freez wrote:A thought - We and they need a point, lets repeats the 1982 World Cup group game, West Germany V Austria, sporting Anschluss, both sides need a point to qualify and what do you know? They drew 1-1!! Hey Presto everyone's happy, apart Mad Dog!!
Cov don't need hefty tackles and injuries in the play offs surely!


A more recent example would be last Tuesday's match involving Yeovil and FGR. Both teams needed a draw to confirm their safety and they just happened to play out a 0-0 draw with just 3 shots on target all match.

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:00 am
by red shrimp
Anyone but ROSE!!!!

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:02 am
by Little Shrimp
I think we need one of Kenyon and Rose, depending on the opposition. If we're facing big, imposing and strong attackers then put Kenyon in for his determination and good heading ability. His tackling is reckless and poor though, so if we're facing nippy more technical attackers then I'd put Rose in as he times his tackles miles better.

Have to put Fleming in and if Jim doesn't then I'd give him the bloody sack as soon the team is announced! I would like to have seen more of Wildig this season but if we're playing 4-2-3-1, I find him less effective in a deeper role than Fleming and he can get a bit overwhelmed defensively. I think Wildig works better further forward in a No10 kind of area. We would be wise to make use of Wylde on Coventry's bigger and nicer pitch, his direct running style should be very effective.

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:18 am
by Christies Child
Not that my opinion counts for much but for me both Wildig and Fleming have to start.

Fleming played very well v Carlisle but for some reason didn't even feature at any time on Saturday.

I agree with Freez...we can do this given the right team selection and tactics. We can't sit back and defend. We have to go for it like we did at Wycombe. If we did it once we can do it again.

I'd rather we went out of the league having given it 110% rather than just sit back and played like we'd already accepted our fate.

What's gone before is history.

Saturday is the teams chance to show that nobody in the match day squad wants to have relegation on their CV.

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:31 am
by Ntini
What should happen:
1. Pick your best eleven
2. Pick a formula to play to their strengths
3. Let the opposition worry about your best players playing in their best positions

What will happen:
1. Analyse the opposition and try to guess what they will do
2. Pick a system you think will negate the strengths of the opposition style and/or players
3. Wedge your players into the chosen system regardless of their best positions and abilities

Biggest issue of the formations we play - 30yrds between defensive midfielders and attackers
Biggest losers this season - Fleming, Wildig and Campbell who would usually play in those areas

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:35 am
by BerlinWaller
The current system has to go. It doesn't work and has to be changed. Flemmo and Wildig have to come in alongside Kenyon.

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:40 am
by marky No.1
Freez wrote:A thought - We and they need a point, lets repeats the 1982 World Cup group game, West Germany V Austria, sporting Anschluss, both sides need a point to qualify and what do you know? They drew 1-1!! Hey Presto everyone's happy, apart Mad Dog!!
Cov don't need hefty tackles and injuries in the play offs surely


I think Germany had to win by 1 or 2 goals so they both qualified and knocked Algeria out. They scored after 10 minutes then they both dallied about.

God help us if we set up like last week! Baz made the scoreline look close

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:53 am
by sandgrown
i said it before Cambridge and Barnet, flood the midfield and control the game.

4-5-1 for me in this last chance saloon

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:34 pm
by Christies Child
I know that I've had a pop at Jimbo (and he quite rightly at me) but I'd like to think that he would select a starting 11 that was attack minded and go for a win rather than a team that has a defensive slant in the hope of hanging on for that all important single point.

Better to go out in a blaze of glory knowing that we've done everything possible to retain our EFL status in our final game of this forgettable season.

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:38 pm
by bill ding
Christies Child wrote:I know that I've had a pop at Jumbo (and he quite rightly at me) but I'd like to think that he would select a starting 11 that was attack minded and go for a win rather than a team that has a defensive slant in the hope of hanging on for that all important single point.

Better to go out in a blaze of glory knowing that we've done everything possible to retain our EFL status in our final game of this forgettable season.



JUMBO you cheeky bugger :lol:

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:10 pm
by Christies Child
bill ding wrote:
Christies Child wrote:I know that I've had a pop at Jumbo (and he quite rightly at me) but I'd like to think that he would select a starting 11 that was attack minded and go for a win rather than a team that has a defensive slant in the hope of hanging on for that all important single point.

Better to go out in a blaze of glory knowing that we've done everything possible to retain our EFL status in our final game of this forgettable season.



JUMBO you cheeky bugger :lol:


Plenty will say that's me.... :oops:

Hope JIMBO sees the funny side of that but could be another valid reason for me to stay clear.

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:14 pm
by BerlinWaller
Christies Child wrote:
bill ding wrote:
Christies Child wrote:I know that I've had a pop at Jumbo (and he quite rightly at me) but I'd like to think that he would select a starting 11 that was attack minded and go for a win rather than a team that has a defensive slant in the hope of hanging on for that all important single point.

Better to go out in a blaze of glory knowing that we've done everything possible to retain our EFL status in our final game of this forgettable season.



JUMBO you cheeky bugger :lol:


Plenty will say that's me.... :oops:

Hope JIMBO sees the funny side of that but could be another valid reason for me to stay clear.


Doubt it......He hates you

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:01 pm
by Freez
Marky, you are correct West Germany won 1-0, both went through, my error.
Interesting about Yeovil, didn't notice that Duffman. Good spot.

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:21 pm
by red shrimp
Hope JIMBO sees the funny side of that but could be another valid reason for me to stay clear.[/quote]

Doubt it......He hates you[/quote]



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think it's great that CC had a pop at JUMBO! ;) Wish I'd seen it to be honest! Worth the entry fee alone.

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:33 pm
by George Dawes
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Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:34 pm
by bill ding
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think it's great that CC had a pop at JUMBO! ;) Wish I'd seen it to be honest! Worth the entry fee alone.[/quote]


I was a witness to the proceedings ....Classic :lol: :lol:

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:37 pm
by marky No.1
For 20 minutes on Saturday there were 10 red shirts less than 25 yards from our goal line, even Lang was back there. I can understand all hands to the pumps in the last 10 minutes defending a lead, but 0.0 at home with half an hour to go :?

Probably a good job Denby was there at the end to stop Jim climbing up the seats

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:01 pm
by BerlinWaller
marky No.1 wrote:For 20 minutes on Saturday there were 10 red shirts less than 25 yards from our goal line, even Lang was back there. I can understand all hands to the pumps in the last 10 minutes defending a lead, but 0.0 at home with half an hour to go :?

Probably a good job Denby was there at the end to stop Jim climbing up the seats


Put them both in lycra and stage a Wrestling match at the Winter Gardens

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:01 pm
by George Dawes
4-4-2 with a narrow Diamond shape midfield so we don't get overrun.

Don't know the what's up with Widig, apparently he's fit?

---------Kenyon
---Fleming---Rose
----------Widig

I'd like Olivier & Lang, upfront but I've a Soft spot for Ellison, sort of game he'll get the winner, need Warriors out there!

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:02 pm
by Shrimpy
My team for Coventry would be:

---------------------Roche---------------------

-------Old-------Lavelle------Winnard-------

McGowan------------------------------Conlan

--------Wildig-----Kenyon------Fleming---

--------------Lang---------Ellison-----------

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:07 pm
by George Dawes
BerlinWaller wrote:
marky No.1 wrote:For 20 minutes on Saturday there were 10 red shirts less than 25 yards from our goal line, even Lang was back there. I can understand all hands to the pumps in the last 10 minutes defending a lead, but 0.0 at home with half an hour to go :?

Probably a good job Denby was there at the end to stop Jim climbing up the seats


Put them both in lycra and stage a Wrestling match at the Winter Gardens

Be a sell out!

All proceeds go to the shrimps trust, should pay for a tin roof behind the home end then.

Re: Mid-field against Coventry

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:21 pm
by fulwoodshrimp
Shrimpy's line up looks good to me. I shudder at the thought of Oliver having any part to play. He doesn't dig in and show fight. He looks disinterested most of the time.