Realism debate

[mfcbro]

I would like to know where Morecambe fans see us being at this moment in time.Please debate.

[black morse]

22nd in the table

[Andy D]

22nd place.

It wasn't the defeat yesterday what disappointed me, it was the set up..

be intresting how Jim sets up against Swindon, especially after the Home Crowd recently being thrilled with attractive football.

[Gone_Shrimping]

From having a decent defence last season we now have one that ships goals for fun (14 in 6 league matches)
Last year we struggled to score goals which was nearly our downfall. This season we look to have a decent array of forward/attacking players. But all the decent forwards in the world are useless if you defend like Fred Karno's circus.

At the moment unless something changes , I see Macclesfield and ourselves in the bottom 2 next May.

[Westgate Wanderer]

From having a decent defence last season we now have one that ships goals for fun (14 in 6 league matches)
Last year we struggled to score goals which was nearly our downfall. This season we look to have a decent array of forward/attacking players. But all the decent forwards in the world are useless if you defend like Fred Karno's circus.

At the moment unless something changes , I see Macclesfield and ourselves in the bottom 2 next May.

I think we will be in the bottom two long before May!

[P/T Indie]

Think we will be bottom two in the next week or two and will be well a drift by Christmas.

But that's OK because we have the lowest budget in the league so it will.be where we deserve to be and as long as everyone seems to be trying hard then everyone is happy as we are just little old Morecambe so we can't complain.

[Gone_Shrimping]

From having a decent defence last season we now have one that ships goals for fun (14 in 6 league matches)
Last year we struggled to score goals which was nearly our downfall. This season we look to have a decent array of forward/attacking players. But all the decent forwards in the world are useless if you defend like Fred Karno's circus.

At the moment unless something changes , I see Macclesfield and ourselves in the bottom 2 next May.

I think we will be in the bottom two long before May!

I meant remain in the bottom 2 until next May !

[marky No.1]

Certainly no way Notts Co will remain bottom

[al1]

I see the club being in desperate need of a new manager!

[fulwoodshrimp]

I thought yesterday we showed no signs of any organisation. The defence was a shambles and marking seems to be an alien concept to them. There is also no on field leadership and an alarming lack of pace in the side. Change is needed if we are to avoid the drop.

[CityShrimp]

Supporting a club like Morecambe in League 2 normally involves inconsistency. Watching a game where we win convincingly, we all start talking about play offs and then we struggle to string two passes together in the next game. We bemoan our inconsistency and then we finish mid table.

We are having our occasional good games where we play well, but we aren’t winning them. And then we are also losing when we play poorly. That’s whats worrying.

‘Winning’ teams will grind out results and make their own luck. Despite our flashes of endeavour and promising football, we’re not a winning team and that needs to change quickly. If we’re well adrift by Christmas then I just don’t see us having the quality to go on a run of promotion form to make up the deficit.

[fulwoodshrimp]

Promotion is definitely out of the picture! We are in a relegation struggle and should be fighting for our lives!

[MFC-Manc]

As I’ve said in another thread, playing decent football dosent mean you will stay up.... Chesterfield played decent football last season and went down. Winning games keeps you up and we need to be more ruthless.... teams around use underhand tactics to win games and instead of being “nice old Morecambe” we need to be “ruthless Morecambe”

[Andy D]

As I’ve said in another thread, playing decent football dosent mean you will stay up.... Chesterfield played decent football last season and went down. Winning games keeps you up and we need to be more ruthless.... teams around use underhand tactics to win games and instead of being “nice old Morecambe” we need to be “ruthless Morecambe”

Think your confused with the problem and our Football.

If where to stay up in the FL, it will be by


A) putting other teams on the back foot by attacking our way out if trouble?

B) siting back parking the bus with 1 upfront like last season and get relegated?

[BerlinWaller]

I was a bit dubious about getting involved as this thread was created by Jim's number one fan but sod it...

New owners making very little impact.
PMG staying on the BoD's was the worst thing that could have happened to the club.
A Manager who has knocked any ambition we had out of us and is tactically inept.
Horrible tactics and team selections. Can someone tell Jim that we are getting hammered down the flanks every game and if possible, could he do something about it?
No evidence of any planning or coaching.
Some good signings but important positions overlooked. Wildig and Flemmo were bench warmers last season but are the midfield this season.
League 2 whipping boys

[fulwoodshrimp]

I can understand the excuses about a low wage bill(although the new owners have increased this), I can understand we are a small club(although I don't think the regular "little old Morecambe" label helps us) but I can't understand the defence turning up at Bury looking like it was the first time they had met! We looked totally disorganised. I cannot understand the full backs not marking the Bury wide men but staying in space 15 yards away. I cannot understand how we allow opposition wide men to get to the byline before crossing into the box and creating havoc. I cannot understand the lack of a leader on the pitch and the lack of any forward runs. This encourages hoof ball which opposition defences easily deal with. Many of these points lead to my last problem. What are we doing at training as many of the above points could be sorted out in good regular training sessions where the defence are drilled to mark tightly and work as a cohesive unit. What attacking training is happening? Is there too much emphasis on fitness training and match practice? This has to change while we have time with the players drilled and drilled until they get it right. At Bury we looked poor against a very average side. If we don't improve we are going to be drubbed by the better sides.

[MFC-Manc]

As I’ve said in another thread, playing decent football dosent mean you will stay up.... Chesterfield played decent football last season and went down. Winning games keeps you up and we need to be more ruthless.... teams around use underhand tactics to win games and instead of being “nice old Morecambe” we need to be “ruthless Morecambe”

Think your confused with the problem and our Football.

If where to stay up in the FL, it will be by


A) putting other teams on the back foot by attacking our way out if trouble?

B) siting back parking the bus with 1 upfront like last season and get relegated?

When we played Oldham our football was very good but we still lost. Our players have stayed on the feet when other teams fall to the ground and get free kicks etc.
We do play some decent stuff at times, we just can’t kill off teams

[redrobo]

After 2 very encouraging and entertaining home games, it appears that for some reason we've returned to the same basic defensive frailties of old. At PNE we were slaughtered down both flanks due to our inability of marking close enough to their wide men. Sounds like it was a case of the same again yesterday. Have we learned nothing from leaving wide players with too much space and time to do the damage? It was the same last season and whilst the cast may have changed slightly at the back it's a case of 'same old, same old' so something is wrong somewhere and one can't escape the fact that it could be down to instructions from the bench or an inability of the players concerned to defend as required.

As a defender of considerable note, I just find it hard to understand our apparent lack of defensive tactics which Jim was outstanding when on the field of play. He was the organiser supreme....

[RedRampage]

going down unless the board grow a pair , and do the correct thing.

[Westgate Wanderer]

going down unless the board grow a pair , and do the correct thing.

Got to remember we've come a long way and are punching above our weight.Finishing third from bottom is a major achievement for us. Who would come to manage us? No money, not that you can do anything with that until January! No manager would touch us unless he wanted to be in the shop window for a job higher up! Take it on the chin, remember never too high, just getting lower.

[BerlinWaller]

We are in a massive rut but the more concerning thing is, we are happy to be in the rut. Jim has managed to brain wash us with his negativity and his foot solider's reinforce his message on Social Media.

A clean sweep is needed from top to bottom. Remember one thing, there was a Morecambe before Jim Bentley and there will be one after him.

[redrobo]

going down unless the board grow a pair , and do the correct thing.

Got to remember we've come a long way and are punching above our weight.Finishing third from bottom is a major achievement for us. Who would come to manage us? No money, not that you can do anything with that until January! No manager would touch us unless he wanted to be in the shop window for a job higher up! Take it on the chin, remember never too high, just getting lower.

I take the view that as and when we replace JIm and Co (maybe years ahead) that there will be great interest in the job due to the fact of our longevity we've shown towards the current duo. Football managers are more concerned with getting back into the game rather than sitting around waiting for the phone to ring and a number will feel that to improve results at MFc will do wonders for their credibility long term. However I suggest that an appointment from within would be made in preference to an outsider.

[Westgate Wanderer]

going down unless the board grow a pair , and do the correct thing.

Got to remember we've come a long way and are punching above our weight.Finishing third from bottom is a major achievement for us. Who would come to manage us? No money, not that you can do anything with that until January! No manager would touch us unless he wanted to be in the shop window for a job higher up! Take it on the chin, remember never too high, just getting lower.

I take the view that as and when we replace JIm and Co (maybe years ahead) that there will be great interest in the job due to the fact of our longevity we've shown towards the current duo. Football managers are more concerned with getting back into the game rather than sitting around waiting for the phone to ring and a number will feel that to improve results at MFc will do wonders for their credibility long term. However I suggest that an appointment from within would be made in preference to an outsider.

A clean break is needed, someone who has no previous links with the club. Someone to come in with a fresh attitude and pull us up by the bootlaces on and off the field and take no prisoners!

[mfcbro]

Postby BerlinWaller » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:52 am

"I was a bit dubious about getting involved as this thread was created by Jim's number one fan but sod it...

New owners making very little impact.
PMG staying on the BoD's was the worst thing that could have happened to the club.
A Manager who has knocked any ambition we had out of us and is tactically inept.
Horrible tactics and team selections. Can someone tell Jim that we are getting hammered down the flanks every game and if possible, could he do something about it?
No evidence of any planning or coaching.
Some good signings but important positions overlooked. Wildig and Flemmo were bench warmers last season but are the midfield this season.
League 2 whipping boys"
I was a bit dubious as jims number1 fan about replying but sod it here goes,I agree new owners have made very little impact apart from steadying the ship ie wages etc.I also agree about pmg staying.But comments about knocking ambition , tactics, planning and coaching are totally wrong.Have you been down to look at our training facilities lately?How anybody is meant to plan coach and prepare a side is beyond me.Not excuses by the way fact.My back lawn is in better nick.As for signings and important positions being overlooked,no money to offer,wages not being paid,crap training facilities what players would want to come to Morecambe.

[outsider]

Why don't we close down the opposition? From our forward players, through midfield. Before you know it there on the edge of our box. We also need width. 433, or whatever doesn't give us that. 3 up front just constantly changing does not confuse the opposition, just ourselves.