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A good read....

Indeed very interesting, he really has performed a miracle at Accy the only thing I cant understand is why a bigger club hasn't come in for him I know it didn't work out at Rochdale but other managers fail time after time at different clubs but still get given another chance.

Accy really have gone from strength to strength, left us miles behind quite honestly

marky No.1 wrote:Accy really have gone from strength to strength, left us miles behind quite honestly

And that's what is so depressing it shows what can be achieved on low crowds and a small budget.

Did you see the tweet about how much they made at the Barnsley game? It has just clicked for them. A great owner with a manager who gets his players to run through walls for him. Oh what a dream that is

Let's get behind our new double act and give them both a chance to change things for the long term.

They have a bonus system what works.

In hindsight should we in that FA cup game last night and that reported £115.000 have said win this Lad's and its £3000 a man bonus?

Andy D wrote:They have a bonus system what works.

In hindsight should we in that FA cup game last night and that reported £115.000 have said win this Lad's and its £3000 a man bonus?

Absolutely not.

If they need a financial incentive to turn up then I wouldn't want them in the team - I'm sure that is a belief Jim would share.

Morecambe Jack wrote:

Andy D wrote:They have a bonus system what works.

In hindsight should we in that FA cup game last night and that reported £115.000 have said win this Lad's and its £3000 a man bonus?

Absolutely not.

If they need a financial incentive to turn up then I wouldn't want them in the team - I'm sure that is a belief Jim would share.

I think personally that a win bonus should have been on the line, and who knows, may have been. But agree with MJ, definitely should NOT be the motivation for any player to put their all in on the pitch.

As I said in another thread, if ANY professional footballer needs motivating for an FA Cup tie, there is something seriously wrong with their attitude generally.

Seasider9601 wrote:As I said in another thread, if ANY professional footballer needs motivating for an FA Cup tie, there is something seriously wrong with their attitude generally.

Totally disagree. They are only human with limited ability. A cold Tuesday night in Halifax hardly gets the juices going.

If I'm honest, it's pretty naive to expect anyone to not be at least a little bit motivated by money.

I'm sure the players were motivated by it being an FA Cup tie, but it's hardly a crime if money provided a little bit of extra incentive on a cold and rainy Tuesday night in West Yorkshire. I'm sure it was something that was also on the Halifax player's minds as well.

Little Shrimp wrote:If I'm honest, it's pretty naive to expect anyone to not be at least a little bit motivated by money.

I'm sure the players were motivated by it being an FA Cup tie, but it's hardly a crime if money provided a little bit of extra incentive on a cold and rainy Tuesday night in West Yorkshire. I'm sure it was something that was also on the Halifax player's minds as well.

Which Halifax player was in two minds Joel?

BerlinWaller wrote:

Seasider9601 wrote:As I said in another thread, if ANY professional footballer needs motivating for an FA Cup tie, there is something seriously wrong with their attitude generally.

Totally disagree. They are only human with limited ability. A cold Tuesday night in Halifax hardly gets the juices going.

They are, I agree entirely. of course.

However, with the Second Round at stake, one round away from the "big boys" - and the second round being televised live (and a chance to put themselves in the shop window), I'd have thought there'd have been a bit more, what's the right word, fight?

BerlinWaller wrote:

Seasider9601 wrote:As I said in another thread, if ANY professional footballer needs motivating for an FA Cup tie, there is something seriously wrong with their attitude generally.

Totally disagree. They are only human with limited ability. A cold Tuesday night in Halifax hardly gets the juices going.

I watch a team of U11s every week. Wherever they play, rain,snow, howling winds, sh!te pitches,you name it. Week in, week out, them lads give it their absolute all, determined not to lose if they have anything to do with it, PRIDE. A cold Tuesday in Halifax, is no justifiable excuse for a professional sportsman.

On a positive note. I see Tue, as just one of those “ that’s football” occasions. I still rate this group of players as an honest, hardworking, talented Morecambe side. Roll on Sat, and let’s get behind them. COYS.

Phil Anderer wrote:

Little Shrimp wrote:If I'm honest, it's pretty naive to expect anyone to not be at least a little bit motivated by money.

I'm sure the players were motivated by it being an FA Cup tie, but it's hardly a crime if money provided a little bit of extra incentive on a cold and rainy Tuesday night in West Yorkshire. I'm sure it was something that was also on the Halifax player's minds as well.

Which Halifax player was in two minds Joel?

*Frantic scrabbling for the edit button*

Seasider9601 wrote:

BerlinWaller wrote:

Seasider9601 wrote:As I said in another thread, if ANY professional footballer needs motivating for an FA Cup tie, there is something seriously wrong with their attitude generally.

Totally disagree. They are only human with limited ability. A cold Tuesday night in Halifax hardly gets the juices going.

They are, I agree entirely. of course.

However, with the Second Round at stake, one round away from the "big boys" - and the second round being televised live (and a chance to put themselves in the shop window), I'd have thought there'd have been a bit more, what's the right word, fight?

These lads are on short term low paid(in footy terms) deals and you seem happier to throw them under the bus rather than knock the Manager. If there is any blame, it should be as a collective. Yes at the very least a pro footy player should be expected to put in maximum effort but expecting them to spill blood for the badge is wrong.

I'd never, ever "throw any of our players under a bus".....

So Connor Oliver (as an example) put in maximum effort did he? Don't think so....

We've had players who have spilled blood for the badge in the past. The likes of Andy Grimshaw, Gary Dullaghan, Robbie Armstrong etc etc spring readily to mind.

Seasider9601 wrote:
We've had players who have spilled blood for the badge in the past. The likes of Andy Grimshaw, Gary Dullaghan, Robbie Armstrong etc etc spring readily to mind.

Twas a different badge, mate

True....!! I'll give you that one Mark !!

Some players will always give 100% and wont need any motivation its the same with injuries they will play on and it will take something serious to make them leave the field whilst others will be down the tunnel after a slight knock. Mental strength and the will to win is a big part of the game.

Its so important to get the recruitment policy right there's no point having a good player that only gives you a good performance when they are in the mood. Tuesday night was a classic example, are Halifax a better side than us no, they had the right mental attitude and we didn't (in the first half) and that's where the game was lost.

But you cant just blame the players, though I agree they shouldn't need motivating it is part of the management teams job, Halifax, Dover the replays against Dagenham and Coventry,last home game against Barnet last season all massive games where we didn't look up for it. Players come and go but the management team is the same so they have to be included in any criticism.

steve mfc wrote:Some players will always give 100% and wont need any motivation its the same with injuries they will play on and it will take something serious to make them leave the field whilst others will be down the tunnel after a slight knock. Mental strength and the will to win is a big part of the game.

Its so important to get the recruitment policy right there's no point having a good player that only gives you a good performance when they are in the mood. Tuesday night was a classic example, are Halifax a better side than us no, they had the right mental attitude and we didn't (in the first half) and that's where the game was lost.

But you cant just blame the players, though I agree they shouldn't need motivating it is part of the management teams job, Halifax, Dover the replays against Dagenham and Coventry,last home game against Barnet last season all massive games where we didn't look up for it. Players come and go but the management team is the same so they have to be included in any criticism.

I think that's a reasonably fair assessment. It always annoys me when the manager, be it Jim or Sammy before him, heaps all the blame on others without taking some responsibility themselves. I know we can all have bad days which aren't necessarily the boss's fault, but how much is the boss not making us feel up for it? It's rarely all one or the other, so some blame, especially if it's all or most of the players underperforming, must be laid at the manager's door.

Seasider9601 wrote:I'd never, ever "throw any of our players under a bus".....

So Connor Oliver (as an example) put in maximum effort did he? Don't think so....

We've had players who have spilled blood for the badge in the past. The likes of Andy Grimshaw, Gary Dullaghan, Robbie Armstrong etc etc spring readily to mind.

I wasn't singling you out, it seems the trend to blame the players rather than the management. That just doesn't sit right with me.

No, not all players put in the effort and they don't hang around for long. You have mentioned one, i could mention a few others. Would you be motivated if you played up top for us and hardly seeing the ball?

Think i could of made my point better.


The idea of a bonus system like Accrington Stanley works like we cant offer players the same wages as just about every club in L2 can so offering a bonus scheme allows players to earn more money based on success.


I know it sounds mercenary, but it did work for Stanley with their basic wage bill being around £900.000 and total with Bonuses think it was quoted as 1.3 Million ?


But it worked and it's still working, their doing well in L1.

A lot of clubs offer bonus payments based on performance and it obviously works some of the time, at what level do most players stop being motivated solely by their love of football and start being motivated in part by money??
I would say around the 5th tier of English football.