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How many of you Bentley Out Supporters would say all this negative stuff to his face.

Perhaps you could explain why you feel that's significant?

broadwayshrimp wrote:How many of you Bentley Out Supporters would say all this negative stuff to his face.

Not many unless they wanted to wake up with a crowd around them

OM am I correct to thinking that you are implying violence

Doonhamer wrote:OM am I correct to thinking that you are implying violence

Wind your neck in..................I was making light of the seriousness of the original question

Well condemn the question not trivialise it. Too many brainless people may take up your offer.

Strange topic. I thought I had left the he's harder than you stuff on the Morecambe High School playground? I pay my money so i will have an opinion whether Jim is 6ft2 or 4ft2.

What next, you can only post if you have kissed a girl?

Nice post BW. Lol.

I am a Jim supporter but I respect the right of paying anti Jim MFC supporters to voice their opinion, and I am sure Jim does too, this is a pathetic post by someone I would expect better from.

mrpotatohead wrote:I am a Jim supporter but I respect the right of paying anti Jim MFC supporters to voice their opinion, and I am sure Jim does too

and so do I but my question was asked because I doubt very much JB reads this message board and he's made it clear he isn't going to walk.
So if the Bentley Out Supporters really want him out why not tell him to his face or at the very least make it a vocal protest.

As soon as someone says something negative towards Jim, they always come back with 'say it to his face'
Why should we have to say it to his face? i don't get it. He is very well paid , and his position comes with pressure, he should be challenged , just like every other football manager. People act like this guy works for free! If we really cared, then he would walk.

[quote="broadwayshrimp" I doubt very much JB reads this message board [/quote]

Which is more the pity. If he did, he would find the answers to ........how easy it all is to manage a L2 team, where it all went wrong, where it is all going wrong, what all the answers are, and how to put it right. Well that seems to be the opinion of some on here anyway.

For what it’s worth bs. I didn’t read your question, as it was interpreted by others.

RedRampage wrote:

broadwayshrimp wrote:How many of you Bentley Out Supporters would say all this negative stuff to his face.

Congratulations on being the winner of the most pointless post on SV!

Pathetic question!

Please explain what's pathetic about it.

The trouble with the Bentley Out Support is it's all talk and no action. Other than posting messages on here and elsewhere there are no boycotts, no vocal protests, no banners nothing, apart from the odd bit of booing at the end of some games.

If you want him out tell him.

Then again may be you want him to stay after all.

broadwayshrimp wrote:

mrpotatohead wrote:I am a Jim supporter but I respect the right of paying anti Jim MFC supporters to voice their opinion, and I am sure Jim does too

and so do I but my question was asked because I doubt very much JB reads this message board and he's made it clear he isn't going to walk.
So if the Bentley Out Supporters really want him out why not tell him to his face or at the very least make it a vocal protest.

If he doesn't read the board and no one's said it to his face, why does he keep saying he's going nowhere? He knows what a lot think, however he hears it

How many of you would say anything negative you said about anyone to their face? Answer is: you probably wouldn’t. You’ve probably bitched to your wife etc about Jeff from works bad breath, doesn’t mean you’d say it to his face, does it?

That’s why this is a fairly ridiculous question.

Personally, though, I would quite enjoy the chance to pick Jim’s brain about his tactics/selection.

Fans get a chance to ask what they like at the forums, and for all the bluster on social media , in the bar etc. everyone is nice as pie to the top table, particularly to Jim, this time was no exception apart from the ridiculous questions from the nutty and now excluded Knight rider, aka Steven Williams.

mrpotatohead wrote:Fans get a chance to ask what they like at the forums, and for all the bluster on social media , in the bar etc. everyone is nice as pie to the top table, particularly to Jim, this time was no exception apart from the ridiculous questions from the nutty and now excluded Knight rider, aka Steven Williams.

Question not looking pathetic now, totally credible, based on the above post from mrpot.

All this division amongst the fans tells it's own story
If the overbearing weight of expectation and feelings of self entitlement were reined in a little, maybe just maybe
Some would see the folly of their ways and it might take a drop back to non league to make the club whole again but right now Jim's got enough battles keeping little, YES 'little' Morecambe up.

OLDHAMADE wrote:Jim's got enough battles keeping little, YES 'little' Morecambe up.

But he's failing in the most important battle, which is keeping the fans we have and increasing gates again.

He's just relying/assuming on money coming from the owners which is a sticking plaster rather than a cure.

He's failed miserably to capitalise on cup runs - loss of gate income, loss of potential television income, loss of prize winning monies, loss of feel good factor. It's five years since Wolves and Newcastle. We've sat idly by watching other L2 (and lower) clubs get further than us and reap rewards of big clubs and tv income.

He's failed to provide entertaining football at home. We've never had good home form for years but at least a few years ago, we had good away form which kept us is a good league position, we've now lost too. People aren't going to keep paying good money to see us play defensively to try to draw.

At the end of the day, what's the point of just scraping by season after season, struggling to stay in L2 and needing to rely on owners to keep pumping huge amounts of money in. We need a new strategy, i.e. start to get the occasional cup run going, start to play entertaining football, get the new income sources finally coming to fruition, etc. We need a boost both on and off the field, but sadly, I don't think Jim has it in him anymore to do what's needed on field.

KenH wrote:

OLDHAMADE wrote:Jim's got enough battles keeping little, YES 'little' Morecambe up.

But he's failing in the most important battle, which is keeping the fans we have and increasing gates again.

He's just relying/assuming on money coming from the owners which is a sticking plaster rather than a cure.

He's failed miserably to capitalise on cup runs - loss of gate income, loss of potential television income, loss of prize winning monies, loss of feel good factor. It's five years since Wolves and Newcastle. We've sat idly by watching other L2 (and lower) clubs get further than us and reap rewards of big clubs and tv income.

He's failed to provide entertaining football at home. We've never had good home form for years but at least a few years ago, we had good away form which kept us is a good league position, we've now lost too. People aren't going to keep paying good money to see us play defensively to try to draw.

At the end of the day, what's the point of just scraping by season after season, struggling to stay in L2 and needing to rely on owners to keep pumping huge amounts of money in. We need a new strategy, i.e. start to get the occasional cup run going, start to play entertaining football, get the new income sources finally coming to fruition, etc. We need a boost both on and off the field, but sadly, I don't think Jim has it in him anymore to do what's needed on field.

The default position for that argument lies underneath Sainsburys on Lancaster road.

You'll never ever see what you crave because the club turned into a Ten headed monster the day it left, sometimes better to have less and be comfortably off than fritter away what you have on vanity that will surely ruin you in the end.

As much as I loved Christie Park if we'd have gone into the EFL and remained there we'd have been bankrupt in no time. Trying to maintain the existing structures and upgrade other facilities for the EFL would have cost a lot of money we simply didn't have. The main stand for one was rotten underneath and really needed rebuilding. The North Stand was the only decent bit of the ground but in reality was only a larger version of what's replaced it at the new ground, the facilities were actually very similar to what we have now with an outside refreshment kiosk, toilets and nothing else.

We all know the Globe arena isn't perfect as the many debates on here will testify, but it is shiny and new and maintenance costs are surely a lot less than the decaying Crusty Pie would have been.

I agree with Ken H's post that we have basically had to put up with 5 years of abysmal football at the Globe and this has driven supporters away. I'm sure that many supporters have drifted away for this reason rather than the stadium design. The stadium would be far more palatable if the football was better. Jim was a club hero as a player but he now looks defeated and disillusioned as manager. We do need a boost and probably the only way to get it is for someone else to take the reigns before it's too late. Might not work but what alternatives do we have?

mrpotatohead wrote:Fans get a chance to ask what they like at the forums, and for all the bluster on social media , in the bar etc. everyone is nice as pie to the top table, particularly to Jim, this time was no exception apart from the ridiculous questions from the nutty and now excluded Knight rider, aka Steven Williams.

Well said Lee and I would include myself in that category. I've been critical of JB numerous times and the only time I've questioned him was about his intention or otherwise of playing Oswell and Oliver together.

It's also interesting that those who accuse the new owners of claiming to have given monies to JB to improve the team accuse them of lying BUT when given the opportunity to question the new owners at a Fans Forum fail to even turn up.

Phoenix Shrimp 2017 wrote:As much as I loved Christie Park if we'd have gone into the EFL and remained there we'd have been bankrupt in no time. Trying to maintain the existing structures and upgrade other facilities for the EFL would have cost a lot of money we simply didn't have. The main stand for one was rotten underneath and really needed rebuilding. The North Stand was the only decent bit of the ground but in reality was only a larger version of what's replaced it at the new ground, the facilities were actually very similar to what we have now with an outside refreshment kiosk, toilets and nothing else.

We all know the Globe arena isn't perfect as the many debates on here will testify, but it is shiny and new and maintenance costs are surely a lot less than the decaying Crusty Pie would have been.

I agree with Ken H's post that we have basically had to put up with 5 years of abysmal football at the Globe and this has driven supporters away. I'm sure that many supporters have drifted away for this reason rather than the stadium design. The stadium would be far more palatable if the football was better. Jim was a club hero as a player but he now looks defeated and disillusioned as manager. We do need a boost and probably the only way to get it is for someone else to take the reigns before it's too late. Might not work but what alternatives do we have?

Excellent post but unfortunately their are those who simply will not accept the sheer scale of work needed at the Pie to upgrade the facilities for years to come in support of an EFL club.

The one question I've asked before on this subject of remaining at CP was 'who was going to fund all the redevelopment work needed' but to date have failed to get an answer.

The Board could not have funded it out of their own pockets and the cost of a loan would have been the death nell of our club. I doubt that we would have qualified for any grants but others may feel otherwise.

The Globe was the correct decision at the time but events out of the Boards control had a serious impact on what was financially possible with the money from Sainsbury's. I accept what we got was far from what was expected but the move to Westgate was the most logical financially at the time.

Phoenix Shrimp 2017 wrote:As much as I loved Christie Park if we'd have gone into the EFL and remained there we'd have been bankrupt in no time. Trying to maintain the existing structures and upgrade other facilities for the EFL would have cost a lot of money we simply didn't have. The main stand for one was rotten underneath and really needed rebuilding. The North Stand was the only decent bit of the ground but in reality was only a larger version of what's replaced it at the new ground, the facilities were actually very similar to what we have now with an outside refreshment kiosk, toilets and nothing else.

We all know the Globe arena isn't perfect as the many debates on here will testify, but it is shiny and new and maintenance costs are surely a lot less than the decaying Crusty Pie would have been.

I agree with Ken H's post that we have basically had to put up with 5 years of abysmal football at the Globe and this has driven supporters away. I'm sure that many supporters have drifted away for this reason rather than the stadium design. The stadium would be far more palatable if the football was better. Jim was a club hero as a player but he now looks defeated and disillusioned as manager. We do need a boost and probably the only way to get it is for someone else to take the reigns before it's too late. Might not work but what alternatives do we have?

How on earth can you say that when the likes of Accrington had portakabins for changing rooms, at one stage a smaller club in many ways to Morecambe yet they find themselves more than making up the numbers in League One?
Christie park could and should have been upgraded over time, like a slow continuation of the North stand, you don't drive a Porsche when you only have Honda Jazz money and that move was the main driver as to why the fans ended their love affair with the club
For the few, not the many! getting back to real basics is the only way to save the club, lower prices below £20 quid a seat for any where in that palace of an empty main stand and lower prices across the board everywhere else in the ground.
You need to find that winning combination everyone used to enjoy down the road in order this place ever be fully accepted.

redrobo wrote: events out of the Boards control had a serious impact on what was financially possible with the money from Sainsbury's.

We keep hearing that every few years, but just what were these events that caused such a catastophic end result?

Many bad decisions were entirely of the Board's own making, i.e. standing instead of getting grants for seated stand, changing designs at last minute to incorporate the boxes at huge expense, not properly planning/marketing the gym, not marketing the hospitality properly, completely missing the target as regards the bar - wild boar steaks for pity's sake! The Globe is exactly what was wanted by the Board - the stands, artificial pitches, academy building, car park, bar, function rooms, etc - there were no compromises. Just what was "outside the Board's control"?? They got exactly what they wanted, but their master plan was clearly flawed - that's what went wrong!

As for the usual excuse re interest rate reductions. The numbers are irrelevant/trivial. We spent all Sainsbury money in a matter of months - interest on nothing saved is nothing, regardless of whether the interest rate is 5% or 1%. A few percent on a few million for just a few months is still trivial when the club loses £500k per year. Even if had managed to keep say a couple of million in the bank, at 5% p.a. that's still only £100k interest which is chickenfeed in years we've lost up to £600/£700k.