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Shockingly poor.

1 in our last 13!

Thought there were some positives today, certainly more than last week. Just hope Bennett's alright for next week.

Not wanting to open up the old can of worms, but any other club would of sacked the manager by now.

No longer a case of who could do better, it would be a hard push for anyone to do worse.

Screenster wrote:1 in our last 13!

Thought there were some positives today, certainly more than last week. Just hope Bennett's alright for next week.

Its Points we need, not positives i'm afraid.

Andy D wrote:

Screenster wrote:1 in our last 13!

Thought there were some positives today, certainly more than last week. Just hope Bennett's alright for next week.

Its Points we need, not positives i'm afraid.

Very true AD. But at least, a point with some positives, is better than no points and no positives.

Andy D wrote:

Screenster wrote:1 in our last 13!

Thought there were some positives today, certainly more than last week. Just hope Bennett's alright for next week.

Its Points we need, not positives i'm afraid.

I agree mate, can't see the manager leaving mid season though

Under normal circumstances, a point away at Northampton is a good point. However, in our current position a point doesn’t do a lot (especially given the number we’ve dropped recently).

7 wins from 30 (23%), and 16 wins from the last 76 (21%).

Whichever way you try and dress it up, we’re relying on two teams being worse than us to stay up. Meanwhile the current owners are showing their true colours as they, and the board, continue to back Jim.

I honestly can't understand the motives of the new owners. Do they want us to remain a league club? If they do surely they would put a little money in the pot to bring in a player or two. Do they want the club for its land assets? If so it's a pretty cynical action. I was concerned when they bought the club in the very week we could have been relegated from the league. It didn't seem to bother them whether we were a league club or not! I remember at the Q and A back in August they said they have the particular skills to improve the match day experience. What have they done?

If you were picking up points at home then yeah, a decent point. We need wins and lots of them. Picking up the odd point here and there is not good enough to keep us up.

Lost count how many Points we've lost at home with conceding goals late on, its that what's costing us.

If you went to work as a joiner and your bosses promised you the correct tools and then gave you a screwdriver and Stanley knife could you work to your full potential as a joiner?

Before anybody says anything, I stand near berlinwaller and I’m a season ticket holder and don’t get in free or shake Jim’s hand everyday.

Old Man Kensey wrote:Not wanting to open up the old can of worms, but any other club would of sacked the manager by now.

No longer a case of who could do better, it would be a hard push for anyone to do worse.

Alternatively, season after season after season of being the bookies favourite for relegation, and season after season after season of quite literally defying the odds?

It's hard work being the smallest club and staying up. Jim is far from immune from criticism but until/unless he's on a level playing field, we can't ever really judge him. I'd much rather he set up to go at the opposition right from the first whistle and play to our strength, rather than worry about them or 'game management', but, if the goal is achieving Football League status for the following season, then he's doing exactly that.

Just maybe for once wouldn't it be progressive to aim for mid table rather than the fight for relegation, season after season after season

Or at least say we are and make positive sounds instead of saying what can we do were little old Morecambe let's aim for 3rd from bottom this season.

redrobo wrote:Just maybe for once wouldn't it be progressive to aim for mid table rather than the fight for relegation, season after season after season

I'm sure if Jim was given a mid-table budget he'd achieve a mid-table position. In fact, as he's being given a lower Conference budget and achieving League Two survival, perhaps a mid-League Two budget would result in the Play Offs?

P/T Indie wrote:Or at least say we are and make positive sounds instead of saying what can we do were little old Morecambe let's aim for 3rd from bottom this season.

If you give Jim a lower Conference budget and tell him to achieve mid-table League Two position, wouldn't you then be calling for his head if he didn't achieve that?

I've got an old Ford Escort. I'm thinking of entering it in to Formula One. If I tell everyone I expect to finish on the podium, do you think I will? Does it just take a positive attitude regardless of reality?

Keith wrote:

redrobo wrote:Just maybe for once wouldn't it be progressive to aim for mid table rather than the fight for relegation, season after season after season

I'm sure if Jim was given a mid-table budget he'd achieve a mid-table position. In fact, as he's being given a lower Conference budget and achieving League Two survival, perhaps a mid-League Two budget would result in the Play Offs?

PS: If Jim WAS given a mid-League Two budget, and was still scrapping around the relegation battle, THEN I'd be agreeing with you that he needs to go, because THEN he (& we) would be under-achieving.

Keith wrote:

Keith wrote:

redrobo wrote:Just maybe for once wouldn't it be progressive to aim for mid table rather than the fight for relegation, season after season after season

I'm sure if Jim was given a mid-table budget he'd achieve a mid-table position. In fact, as he's being given a lower Conference budget and achieving League Two survival, perhaps a mid-League Two budget would result in the Play Offs?

PS: If Jim WAS given a mid-League Two budget, and was still scrapping around the relegation battle, THEN I'd be agreeing with you that he needs to go, because THEN he (& we) would be under-achieving.

A lot would argue that.


Because when Jim took over Sammy he'd more or less the same budget, and THEN as our Home form slowly Depressed crowds and attendance figures it did also with money avalible with Jim's Budget.

I think Jim work's better with smaller squads, if Jim had more money and players to pick from we could be like Notts County with Jim still trying to find his best 11 at this stage of the season.

Andy, Sammys form towards the end was dipping alarmingly, his budget was being cut, and he got out before he was pushed, Jim was a cheap option ,as we later realised there was no money, and its been all about defying the odds ever since, Jim will never be sacked as it would cost too much, but he isn't the problem, the problem is the owners.

mrpotatohead wrote:Andy, Sammys form towards the end was dipping alarmingly, his budget was being cut, and he got out before he was pushed, Jim was a cheap option ,as we later realised there was no money, and its been all about defying the odds ever since, Jim will never be sacked as it would cost too much, but he isn't the problem, the problem is the owners.

Rod Taylor said at the time that Jim was far from the cheap option.

Rod Taylor said at the time that Jim was far from the cheap option.

But as a director you would have to say that, wouldn't you?

I mean as a line manager and you wouldn't say to your employee that we've got you on board because you're the cheapest option.

7 wins from 30.

We need the equivalent of 7 wins from 16 to reach 50 points and will that be enough ?

I doubt if 46 points will be enough this season.

We have away games at Yeovil , Notts County , Cambridge United , Port Vale and Macclesfield and home games with Cheltenham , Grimsby and Crawley as the most likely candidates for wins although knowing Morecambe we may well beat Bury , MK Dons and Lincoln !

Bare bum wrote:I mean as a line manager and you wouldn't say to your employee that we've got you on board because you're the cheapest option.

But that's exactly what Jim constantly does - there's the clear indication in interviews etc that he's not got the players he wants because of money. That's really poor motiviation for the players.

Bare bum wrote:

Rod Taylor said at the time that Jim was far from the cheap option.

But as a director you would have to say that, wouldn't you?

I mean as a line manager and you wouldn't say to your employee that we've got you on board because you're the cheapest option.

I don't know, do you? If Rod says that then you take it at face value I guess. There seems to be a conspiracy theory for everything the BoD's say in here.

So we are now saying we scraped the barrel when appointing Jim and the majority of Jim's signings are the same?

Is it just me
Something that seems to be evolving from recent debates, sometimes very heated and passionate, ( and quite rightly so.) Is that regardless of which side of opinions you are, the support for the club seems to be galvanising as a unit. A big positive , from all the negative. It’s going to be a scrap, right until the end of the season, but that isn’t something MFC fans shy away from.
COYS......Come on you supporters
COYS.

BerlinWaller wrote:

Bare bum wrote:

Rod Taylor said at the time that Jim was far from the cheap option.

But as a director you would have to say that, wouldn't you?

I mean as a line manager and you wouldn't say to your employee that we've got you on board because you're the cheapest option.

I don't know, do you? If Rod says that then you take it at face value I guess. There seems to be a conspiracy theory for everything the BoD's say in here.

So we are now saying we scraped the barrel when appointing Jim and the majority of Jim's signings are the same?

Very true and in particular from one certain individual who appears to have inside info on everything that's negative about our club and the way that it has and still is being run, in his opinion