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In an attempt to get people back into stadium's to watch live football I wonder if the following could help in our case. at The Glob e.

All fans would be seated with no standing what so ever. Every other row of seats would be closed along with every other seat plus one in rows that are open to be closed as well. In other words as an example seat number 1 would be used; seats 2 and 3 would be closed with seat number 4 open and so on?

Alternatively if a row of seats had say 25 seats fans would enter the open row at seat number 25 and then move down that row until the next open seat starting from seat number 1 then 4 then 7 etc etc thereby mitigating the need for people to come in contact with others in order to get a seat. Fans wouldn't have the choice of where to sit but at least they are at a game.

All bars would remain closed as well as other areas of pre and post match gatherings.

If the Government bring in a 1m rule then the above may work but it would have to be strictly monitored and enforced by stadium stewards on match days.

It would be necessary for every fan to purchase a numbered ticket indicating the seat and row number where they could sit.

Not sure what the maximum number of fans that the above could accommodate but it would provide some income.

Would this work....

France are letting a maximum of 5000 people to attend stadiums.

If 40-50000 people can march through London without causing an upturn in cases, surely opening stadiums must be on the cards. It's time to get back to normal

Probably have to queue for loos but otherwise I can't see why not, particularly as it looks certain that the 2 metres is going to be reduced. Perhaps face coverings to be worn in enclosed areas.

The rumour seems to be that the EFL season will start in September. I think 1,600 spread round all 4 stands at the Globe is easier and safer. No away fans allowed anywhere.

BerlinWaller wrote:France are letting a maximum of 5000 people to attend stadiums.

If 40-50000 people can march through London without causing an upturn in cases, surely opening stadiums must be on the cards. It's time to get back to normal

We’ll have to wait and see on that one because another couple of weeks could see an upturn, but we may already have seen an upturn because, for the last couple of weeks, the daily deaths have almost stayed (barring the weekend figures) between 130-180 or so, so maybe the marches did in fact have an impact.

Also the marches were attended mostly by people of a younger age group than people who would be attending league two football for example, especially at the Globe, so maybe the marches did indeed impact on the number of cases but just not the number of deaths.

Another thing to take into account is that the availability (lack) of toilets would surely be unsuitable and if there were open toilet facilities, that were being cleaned every few minutes, how people would get past each other to leave their seat - or would you just be ‘locked’ in your seat until everyone around you moves? The toilets would surely have to be cleaned every few minutes in order to reduce the chance of transmission? I reckon gloves (and maybe masks( should also be compulsory for football stadiums because you’llbe touching the same metal/plastic (materials that most easily transmit the disease) that hundreds of others will have touched.

I personally don’t think there’ll be a return of crowds until the pandemic is extremely low - which could be September or it could be next Summer, who knows?

Rapid Shrimp - you are talking about deaths by the date they are reported. Deaths by date of death continue to fall and have shown no sign of a "second wave" at any point - whether that was Easter, VE Day, the sunny weekends at the beaches, or the protests.

There is also an increasing amount of testing being done - so comparing absolute number of positive cases is also not painting a fair picture. Despite that, weekly infection levels continue to fall every single week.

Number of deaths isn't really a useful number. Hospital admissions is a better metric to use. Doctors now have a better knowledge of how to treat it, so we'd expect fewer people to die because they now get more successful treatment.

Also, the vulnerable are those more likely to need hospital admission are generally taking precautions or shielding, so are unlikely to catch it, even if it does start spreading again.

As for absence of "second waves", etc., if numbers of infected are very low in the community (as they are at the moment due to the lock down), then even if people go on marches or to the crowded beaches, there's low risk of catching it, because so few currently have it. If no one attending was contagious on the day of the London protests then it won't have caused any spreading. That's luck of the draw really. The next time there's a protest, if one person has it and is at peak contagion, it could spread to dozens, who in turn could spread it to dozens more.

The last few weeks have been pretty safe as we're coming out of the lockdown as so few people have it and are contagious. But when we start mingling again, we could be back to exponential growth very quickly.

Deaths lag behind by at least 2 weeks, so we wouldn't see an impact quite yet. As for wearing gloves, I was in a virtual seminar last week and the consensus, which I agree with, was that gloves actually increase risk; people think they're protected by the gloves, but if they touch a contaminated surface with the gloves then touch their face, BOOM, they've potentially got the virus. Good hand hygiene is far, far preferable. Just seeing people driving away from the supermarket with gloves still on makes me cringe. I have changed my mind on mask wearing, as long as the wearer understands who and how the mask protects- masks over nose and mouth protect other people, full face shields protect the wearer.

redrobo wrote:In an attempt to get people back into stadium's to watch live football I wonder if the following could help in our case. at The Glob e.

All fans would be seated with no standing what so ever. Every other row of seats would be closed along with every other seat plus one in rows that are open to be closed as well. In other words as an example seat number 1 would be used; seats 2 and 3 would be closed with seat number 4 open and so on?

Alternatively if a row of seats had say 25 seats fans would enter the open row at seat number 25 and then move down that row until the next open seat starting from seat number 1 then 4 then 7 etc etc thereby mitigating the need for people to come in contact with others in order to get a seat. Fans wouldn't have the choice of where to sit but at least they are at a game.

All bars would remain closed as well as other areas of pre and post match gatherings.

If the Government bring in a 1m rule then the above may work but it would have to be strictly monitored and enforced by stadium stewards on match days.

It would be necessary for every fan to purchase a numbered ticket indicating the seat and row number where they could sit.

Not sure what the maximum number of fans that the above could accommodate but it would provide some income.

Would this work....

Maybe with some tweaking to the above it might be a solution.....???????

Phil Anderer wrote:Deaths lag behind by at least 2 weeks, so we wouldn't see an impact quite yet.

For 'deaths' it would be more like five weeks behind. Most people in ITU would spend an average of three weeks on a ventilator before recovering or dying. So two weeks asymptomatic, then three weeks ill before dying.

Phil Anderer wrote:As for wearing gloves, I was in a virtual seminar last week and the consensus, which I agree with, was that gloves actually increase risk; people think they're protected by the gloves, but if they touch a contaminated surface with the gloves then touch their face, BOOM, they've potentially got the virus. Good hand hygiene is far, far preferable. Just seeing people driving away from the supermarket with gloves still on makes me cringe. I have changed my mind on mask wearing, as long as the wearer understands who and how the mask protects- masks over nose and mouth protect other people, full face shields protect the wearer.

I completely agree with these comments. Wearing gloves without washing hands is far worse than not wearing gloves but washing hands. I'm also, like Phil, coming around to face marks. There is definitely an increased risk from touching your face more frequently because they are uncomfortable, but people now appear to be getting the message that a mask doesn't offer any real protection to the wearer, but does reduce the risk of transmission if the wearer is positive. In places like shops, it can protect the staff.

Isle of Man has been COVID-19 free for about 56 days now. Everything is normal again, except our borders remain closed. There is a slight lifting of restrictions on travel from next Monday, but residents who are off Island must quarantine for 14 days on their return. This will be strictly monitored and failure to comply can result in up to six weeks in jail. If we get cases back on the IoM (12 cases from memory) then borders will close again. Only residents can travel or people given a dispensation for humanitarian purposes, such as having elderly parents living here, so no tourism still.

Hopefully, by the time football starts again, we'll be able to travel!

Keith wrote:

Phil Anderer wrote:Deaths lag behind by at least 2 weeks, so we wouldn't see an impact quite yet.

For 'deaths' it would be more like five weeks behind. Most people in ITU would spend an average of three weeks on a ventilator before recovering or dying. So two weeks asymptomatic, then three weeks ill before dying.

Phil Anderer wrote:As for wearing gloves, I was in a virtual seminar last week and the consensus, which I agree with, was that gloves actually increase risk; people think they're protected by the gloves, but if they touch a contaminated surface with the gloves then touch their face, BOOM, they've potentially got the virus. Good hand hygiene is far, far preferable. Just seeing people driving away from the supermarket with gloves still on makes me cringe. I have changed my mind on mask wearing, as long as the wearer understands who and how the mask protects- masks over nose and mouth protect other people, full face shields protect the wearer.

I completely agree with these comments. Wearing gloves without washing hands is far worse than not wearing gloves but washing hands. I'm also, like Phil, coming around to face marks. There is definitely an increased risk from touching your face more frequently because they are uncomfortable, but people now appear to be getting the message that a mask doesn't offer any real protection to the wearer, but does reduce the risk of transmission if the wearer is positive. In places like shops, it can protect the staff.

Isle of Man has been COVID-19 free for about 56 days now. Everything is normal again, except our borders remain closed. There is a slight lifting of restrictions on travel from next Monday, but residents who are off Island must quarantine for 14 days on their return. This will be strictly monitored and failure to comply can result in up to six weeks in jail. If we get cases back on the IoM (12 cases from memory) then borders will close again. Only residents can travel or people given a dispensation for humanitarian purposes, such as having elderly parents living here, so no tourism still.

Hopefully, by the time football starts again, we'll be able to travel!

I have sold a motorhome to a customer over there, he is coming over next week to do some business then taking it back with him, we will try to send him back without anything untoward

BerlinWaller wrote:France are letting a maximum of 5000 people to attend stadiums.

If 40-50000 people can march through London without causing an upturn in cases, surely opening stadiums must be on the cards. It's time to get back to normal

I personally believe that some of those that marched in london, and damaged statues, were not all from that area, and are responsible for the local lockdown's that have happened in places like Leicester, and other places nearer home.

jbc.shrimp wrote:

BerlinWaller wrote:France are letting a maximum of 5000 people to attend stadiums.

If 40-50000 people can march through London without causing an upturn in cases, surely opening stadiums must be on the cards. It's time to get back to normal

I personally believe that some of those that marched in london, and damaged statues, were not all from that area, and are responsible for the local lockdown's that have happened in places like Leicester, and other places nearer home.

Hope they don't expect our NHS to pick up the pieces but that'll be a given in this extremely soft, over tolerant country

jbc.shrimp wrote:

BerlinWaller wrote:France are letting a maximum of 5000 people to attend stadiums.

If 40-50000 people can march through London without causing an upturn in cases, surely opening stadiums must be on the cards. It's time to get back to normal

I personally believe that some of those that marched in london, and damaged statues, were not all from that area, and are responsible for the local lockdown's that have happened in places like Leicester, and other places nearer home.

Some people believe the world is flat.

redrobo wrote:

redrobo wrote:In an attempt to get people back into stadium's to watch live football I wonder if the following could help in our case. at The Glob e.

All fans would be seated with no standing what so ever. Every other row of seats would be closed along with every other seat plus one in rows that are open to be closed as well. In other words as an example seat number 1 would be used; seats 2 and 3 would be closed with seat number 4 open and so on?

Alternatively if a row of seats had say 25 seats fans would enter the open row at seat number 25 and then move down that row until the next open seat starting from seat number 1 then 4 then 7 etc etc thereby mitigating the need for people to come in contact with others in order to get a seat. Fans wouldn't have the choice of where to sit but at least they are at a game.

All bars would remain closed as well as other areas of pre and post match gatherings.

If the Government bring in a 1m rule then the above may work but it would have to be strictly monitored and enforced by stadium stewards on match days.

It would be necessary for every fan to purchase a numbered ticket indicating the seat and row number where they could sit.

Not sure what the maximum number of fans that the above could accommodate but it would provide some income.

Would this work....

Maybe with some tweaking to the above it might be a solution.....???????

Just had a look at an image of the home end. Surely if the fans were willing to stand 1 to each upright on the handrails, the club were to put markings on the back step. If the fans were willing to keep to these and wear masks. More fans could be admitted for the new season.

marky No.1 wrote:I have sold a motorhome to a customer over there, he is coming over next week to do some business then taking it back with him, we will try to send him back without anything untoward

Slight lifting in travel restrictions come in next Monday. On his return, he will need to quarantine for 14 days. Police will randomly check and anyone breaching this can face six weeks in prison! Surprised he didn't arrange for you to put it on the ferry and send it over unaccompanied, unless he's staying over there for a holiday in a new motorhome?

Keith wrote:

marky No.1 wrote:I have sold a motorhome to a customer over there, he is coming over next week to do some business then taking it back with him, we will try to send him back without anything untoward

Slight lifting in travel restrictions come in next Monday. On his return, he will need to quarantine for 14 days. Police will randomly check and anyone breaching this can face six weeks in prison! Surprised he didn't arrange for you to put it on the ferry and send it over unaccompanied, unless he's staying over there for a holiday in a new motorhome?

He has to come and see it with his own eyes as opposed to 'distance selling' (which creates another can of worms).
He is staying over here for a few days, the quarantine issue hasn't come into conversation, but I will be asking.
We have quite a collection of customers from the island, but most of them have been very quiet since reopening, maybe because campsites are mostly all booked up for the forseeable and quite a shortage of vehicles for sale

Boris has said the aim is to reopen stadia in October: https://twitter.com/LauraScott__/status ... 8801330178

tim-sanchez wrote:Boris has said the aim is to reopen stadia in October: https://twitter.com/LauraScott__/status ... 8801330178

I always thought it would be October.

Maybe September could be used to play games like the Check a Trade trophy and League Cup 1st round (if these competitions are still going to run) and charge fans to watch them on the I-Fan tv channel

Gone_Shrimping wrote:

tim-sanchez wrote:Boris has said the aim is to reopen stadia in October: https://twitter.com/LauraScott__/status ... 8801330178

I always thought it would be October.

Maybe September could be used to play games like the Check a Trade trophy and League Cup 1st round (if these competitions are still going to run) and charge fans to watch them on the I-Fan tv channel

Looks as though there will be an increase in midweek games OR will the season be extended until the end of June I wonder.

I just hope that clubs don't accept games to be played behind closed doors initially at our level as we depend on money through the gates and matchday sponsorship to see us through until times get better.

Now that the EFL have some indication from the Government about stadia access then maybe they can now start to carry out the planning that I hope has been going on over the past months or so.

https://www.thevisitor.co.uk/sport/foot ... er-2916608

Keith wrote:

marky No.1 wrote:I have sold a motorhome to a customer over there, he is coming over next week to do some business then taking it back with him, we will try to send him back without anything untoward

Slight lifting in travel restrictions come in next Monday. On his return, he will need to quarantine for 14 days. Police will randomly check and anyone breaching this can face six weeks in prison! Surprised he didn't arrange for you to put it on the ferry and send it over unaccompanied, unless he's staying over there for a holiday in a new motorhome?

So, he flew over here to London for a hospital appointment and returned to the IOM yesterday by plane.
Tomorrow he is coming back by ferry to collect the motorhome.

He says he had to apply for an exit pass and an entry pass but obviously not quarantined

EFL to start on 12th Sept with first 3 weeks behind closed doors and maximum 33% capacity from 1st October according to Twitter.

BerlinWaller wrote:EFL to start on 12th Sept with first 3 weeks behind closed doors and maximum 33% capacity from 1st October according to Twitter.

Wonder if the club can volunteer to be a guinea pig with regards to the mentioned test games....

As for the capacity from 1 October that would mean a maximum of circa 2000 for a home gate.....no problem....