O/T Covid Omicron

[redrobo]

I just can't understand why anybody would risk getting Omicron because they refuse to have a jab on principal. Those with a medical reason should in my opinion be made to wear some kind of identity so that they are not challenged as to why they have not been jabbed.

Everybody should be forced to have a Covid Passport as proof of having had the jab.

I would even suggest that it becomes law that in shops of any description that everybody has to prove they have been jabbed....otherwise they are refused entry.

I was in Sainsbury the other week and somebody not wearing a face mask was challenged as to why not and the abuse the challenger received was incredible.

Omicron is spreading like wildfire amongst the population and a lock down is a distinct possibility in early January if not before if the virus spreads at the rate it is at the moment.

Such action will be very unpopular but public safety has to be first and foremost.

[Zippy]

[Westgate Wanderer]

I just can't understand why anybody would risk getting Omicron because they refuse to have a jab on principal. Those with a medical reason should in my opinion be made to wear some kind of identity so that they are not challenged as to why they have not been jabbed.

Everybody should be forced to have a Covid Passport as proof of having had the jab.

I would even suggest that it becomes law that in shops of any description that everybody has to prove they have been jabbed....otherwise they are refused entry.

I was in Sainsbury the other week and somebody not wearing a face mask was challenged as to why not and the abuse the challenger received was incredible.

Omicron is spreading like wildfire amongst the population and a lock down is a distinct possibility in early January if not before if the virus spreads at the rate it is at the moment.

Such action will be very unpopular but public safety has to be first and foremost.

How many police have we to put one in every shop to challenge the non mask wearers?

[SEASIDECLARET]

Goodness, Redrobo the right wing Conservative sounding more like Putin than Putin.!! Maybe he should be referred to as Comrade Redrobo from now on

[Keith]

Those with a medical reason should in my opinion be made to wear some kind of identity so that they are not challenged as to why they have not been jabbed.

Like a 'Star of David'?

[vvm]

Those with a medical reason should in my opinion be made to wear some kind of identity so that they are not challenged as to why they have not been jabbed.

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[redrobo]

Maybe I'd respect some of the above if they had something constructive to add rather than their sarcasm and the 'couldn't care less' attitude.

Maybe they would treat the issue with more respect if a member of their family suffered and died from Covid.

All Zippy in particular can do is mock the seriousness of the issue....bet his or her attitude would change if he or his loved ones became a victim of Covid due to certain sections of the community who refuse to wear a face mask or follow the Government guidelines.....irrespective of the colour of their politics.

[nobbyshrimp]

I’m with you 100% redrobo

[thefactsman]

I just can't understand why anybody would risk getting Omicron because they refuse to have a jab on principal. Those with a medical reason should in my opinion be made to wear some kind of identity so that they are not challenged as to why they have not been jabbed.

Everybody should be forced to have a Covid Passport as proof of having had the jab.

I would even suggest that it becomes law that in shops of any description that everybody has to prove they have been jabbed....otherwise they are refused entry.

I was in Sainsbury the other week and somebody not wearing a face mask was challenged as to why not and the abuse the challenger received was incredible.

Omicron is spreading like wildfire amongst the population and a lock down is a distinct possibility in early January if not before if the virus spreads at the rate it is at the moment.

Such action will be very unpopular but public safety has to be first and foremost.

Absolutely appalled by these comments.

[redrobo]

Be interested to know WHY....

[KenH]

I’m with you 100% redrobo

I'm with you 100% too!

[black morse]

I’m with you 100% redrobo

I'm with you 100% too!

And me!

[asda shrimp]

I just can't understand why anybody would risk getting Omicron because they refuse to have a jab on principal. Those with a medical reason should in my opinion be made to wear some kind of identity so that they are not challenged as to why they have not been jabbed.

Everybody should be forced to have a Covid Passport as proof of having had the jab.

I would even suggest that it becomes law that in shops of any description that everybody has to prove they have been jabbed....otherwise they are refused entry.

I was in Sainsbury the other week and somebody not wearing a face mask was challenged as to why not and the abuse the challenger received was incredible.

Omicron is spreading like wildfire amongst the population and a lock down is a distinct possibility in early January if not before if the virus spreads at the rate it is at the moment.

Such action will be very unpopular but public safety has to be first and foremost.

Absolutely appalled by these comments.

I just can't understand why anybody would risk getting Omicron because they refuse to have a jab on principal. Those with a medical reason should in my opinion be made to wear some kind of identity so that they are not challenged as to why they have not been jabbed.

Everybody should be forced to have a Covid Passport as proof of having had the jab.

I would even suggest that it becomes law that in shops of any description that everybody has to prove they have been jabbed....otherwise they are refused entry.

I was in Sainsbury the other week and somebody not wearing a face mask was challenged as to why not and the abuse the challenger received was incredible.

Omicron is spreading like wildfire amongst the population and a lock down is a distinct possibility in early January if not before if the virus spreads at the rate it is at the moment.

Such action will be very unpopular but public safety has to be first and foremost.

Have we not learned anything from the last year or two ?. masks do not make a difference, Jabs should personal choice, some people cannot have the vacs so how that going to do there shopping, we are not living in a police state, not yet.

[thefactsman]

Be interested to know WHY....

Jabs are personal choice, they shouldn't be forced upon anyone.

There has been only one death from the Omicron variant, granted it is spreading but it isn't killing vasts amount of people.

The best way to deal with the virus, is to get on with our lives - how many people have died from suicide because they can't see loved ones? How many people have died from not being able to see a GP or attend a hospital appointment? The economy will not survive another lockdown.

Plus - we as a football club don't want restrictions or lockdown. We missed out on the chelsea gate receipts, we don't want to miss out on Spurs.

[asda shrimp]

Be interested to know WHY....

Jabs are personal choice, they shouldn't be forced upon anyone.

There has been only one death from the Omicron variant, granted it is spreading but it isn't killing vasts amount of people.

The best way to deal with the virus, is to get on with our lives - how many people have died from suicide because they can't see loved ones? How many people have died from not being able to see a GP or attend a hospital appointment? The economy will not survive another lockdown.

Plus - we as a football club don't want restrictions or lockdown. We missed out on the chelsea gate receipts, we don't want to miss out on Spurs.

+1

[Born again Bill]

My bosses daughter works as a nurse in a hospital COVID ward . They currently have 20 patients in there , 19 of them haven’t had any jabs , the 20th is an OAP with underlying health problems . I have no sympathy for the 19 and I hope they are looking after the OAP well !

[Keith]

Have we not learned anything from the last year or two ?. masks do not make a difference

Well, quite clearly *some people* haven't learned anything in the last year or two...

Masks protect other people from infected people who are wearing them.

Go outside on a cold, dry day and breathe out.
See the 'mist' of water droplets coming from your mouth.
Now put a mask on and repeat.
Do you produce the same amount of mist?

No. Obviously not.

The virus spreads on water droplets. If you reduce the distance that the droplets travel from an infected person's mouth or nose, then a non-infected person must be closer in order to inhale infected water droplets. There are lots of studies backing this up.

Wearing a mask is not to protect the wearer, it is altruistic.

[Keith]

There has been only one death from the Omicron variant, granted it is spreading but it isn't killing vasts amount of people.

The best way to deal with the virus, is to get on with our lives - how many people have died from suicide because they can't see loved ones? How many people have died from not being able to see a GP or attend a hospital appointment? The economy will not survive another lockdown.

An ironic name?

If half as many people are admitted to hospital due to Omicron as other variants, but three times as many people are infected because it spreads quicker, then the number of people in hospital goes up.

How many people have died from suicide?
In fact, in England & Wales, there were fewer suicides in 2020 than in 2019.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... istrations

The way to make sure we don't get another lockdown (and miss the Spurs game!) is vaccinations, masks, hands & social distancing... just like it has been throughout.

[Phil Anderer]

Have we not learned anything from the last year or two ?. masks do not make a difference

Well, quite clearly *some people* haven't learned anything in the last year or two...

Masks protect other people from infected people who are wearing them.

Go outside on a cold, dry day and breathe out.
See the 'mist' of water droplets coming from your mouth.
Now put a mask on and repeat.
Do you produce the same amount of mist?

No. Obviously not.

The virus spreads on water droplets. If you reduce the distance that the droplets travel from an infected person's mouth or nose, then a non-infected person must be closer in order to inhale infected water droplets. There are lots of studies backing this up.

Wearing a mask is not to protect the wearer, it is altruistic.

Anti-maskers love to try this Keith, but the additional point you need to make is that 1 in 3 people have no symptoms, so just because you don't think you've got Covid doesn't mean you haven't. I also agree on GPs and hospital appointments. Yesterday, 2 weeks after a telephone consultation with my GP, for which I had to wait 9 days, I received a letter telling me I'll receive my consultant appointment date in approximately 3 months - that's a 3 month wait to find out when my appointment will be, not for the appointment itself. If more people end up in hospital with Covid I'll wait even longer, living with chronic pain all the while, and since May this year!

Get a f@#$ing vaccine if you can, and wear a f@#%ing mask! (Sorry, but I'm a bit pi$$ed off at the moment, and being self employed I have to work through it as no income otherwise)

[morecambegeek]

Love the whataboutery from the anti mask, anti vaxx idiots.

Yes, there are people who can't have the vaccine, for valid, non made-up, reasons. All the more reason for everyone who can have the vaccine to have theirs to protect others. The anti-vaxxers don't seem to have cottoned on to the fact that everyone who has had the vaccine already are keeping the anti-vaxxers safe too.

So you don't wear a mask and you don't have a vaccine, and you end up in hospital. Not only are you taking up resources purely through your own stupidity, you're blocking a bed from an accident victim, or a cancer sufferer. There's a finite number of beds and medical staff, and mitigating the spread of covid is keeping those beds open for people who need them.

But you might have to show an app to get into the pub? Boo f**king hoo.

[thefactsman]

An ironic name?

If half as many people are admitted to hospital due to Omicron as other variants, but three times as many people are infected because it spreads quicker, then the number of people in hospital goes up.

How many people have died from suicide?
In fact, in England & Wales, there were fewer suicides in 2020 than in 2019.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... istrations

The way to make sure we don't get another lockdown (and miss the Spurs game!) is vaccinations, masks, hands & social distancing... just like it has been throughout.

No, not ironic. I didn't state anything infactual - at the time of posting there was only one reported death.

I didn't say that suicide rates had risen, just posed a question. Reading the link you posted, it mentioned - "some suicides that ordinarily would have been registered in 2020, have been registered in 2021 due to the disruption caused by the pandemic."

I don't disapprove of vaccinations, masks, hands or social distancing but it shouldn't be forced upon anyone.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-bor ... s-12495876

[Zippy]

Maybe I'd respect some of the above if they had something constructive to add rather than their sarcasm and the 'couldn't care less' attitude.

Maybe they would treat the issue with more respect if a member of their family suffered and died from Covid.

All Zippy in particular can do is mock the seriousness of the issue....bet his or her attitude would change if he or his loved ones became a victim of Covid due to certain sections of the community who refuse to wear a face mask or follow the Government guidelines.....irrespective of the colour of their politics.

RR , not mocking the seriousness of the issue , just the far out Poundland Mein Kampf elements within your post which i hope you reflect are a bit OTT . Whilst it might be an expectation that everyone will toe the line out of a sense of altruism , many people (NOT including me) have genuine reservations about the vaccine and it is a matter of personal choice that is respected. Instead we see coercion & the use of physiological warfare on the population (aka nudge units) by the state, rather than applied education to improve uptake. Mandatory vaccines must be resisted and I would not attend any UK recreational venue that requires production of a vaccine passport despite having access to one . Its noted that the government seem to have worked hard to undermine its own message by past behaviours on COVID and most of the Govt health advisors got infected early on so good role models are not easy to find in the governing classes (excepting the Queen of course )

As for the spectacle in Sainsbury , I will use it to illustrate a point .

Depending on others to manage your own risk , is not always going to deliver the required result although in some instances it does (aviation for example) .

At the end of the day the interventionist in Sainsbury (or even yourself) could have managed the spectacle with the Non -Mask wearing individual by a) shopping online and eliminating the personal risk and encounter completely b) Giving him a wide berth and minimizing personal risk to a lower level . Wading in like a Karen was always likely to backfire on any intervention to someone with strong feelings on the subject.

In closing (forever on this subject) , a thank you to the football club and team members for making available the facilities for my 3 jabs , I feel lucky to have had the opportunity to have accessed these prophylactic doses, which we recognise are more certain in mitigation than prevention but nonetheless are effective .

[Phil Anderer]

Maybe I'd respect some of the above if they had something constructive to add rather than their sarcasm and the 'couldn't care less' attitude.

Maybe they would treat the issue with more respect if a member of their family suffered and died from Covid.

All Zippy in particular can do is mock the seriousness of the issue....bet his or her attitude would change if he or his loved ones became a victim of Covid due to certain sections of the community who refuse to wear a face mask or follow the Government guidelines.....irrespective of the colour of their politics.

RR , not mocking the seriousness of the issue , just the far out Poundland Mein Kampf elements within your post which i hope you reflect are a bit OTT . Whilst it might be an expectation that everyone will toe the line out of a sense of altruism , many people (NOT including me) have genuine reservations about the vaccine and it is a matter of personal choice that is respected. Instead we see coercion & the use of physiological warfare on the population (aka nudge units) by the state, rather than applied education to improve uptake. Mandatory vaccines must be resisted and I would not attend any UK recreational venue that requires production of a vaccine passport despite having access to one . Its noted that the government seem to have worked hard to undermine its own message by past behaviours on COVID and most of the Govt health advisors got infected early on so good role models are not easy to find in the governing classes (excepting the Queen of course )

As for the spectacle in Sainsbury , I will use it to illustrate a point .

Depending on others to manage your own risk , is not always going to deliver the required result although in some instances it does (aviation for example) .

At the end of the day the interventionist in Sainsbury (or even yourself) could have managed the spectacle with the Non -Mask wearing individual by a) shopping online and eliminating the personal risk and encounter completely b) Giving him a wide berth and minimizing personal risk to a lower level . Wading in like a Karen was always likely to backfire on any intervention to someone with strong feelings on the subject.

In closing (forever on this subject) , a thank you to the football club and team members for making available the facilities for my 3 jabs , I feel lucky to have had the opportunity to have accessed these prophylactic doses, which we recognise are more certain in mitigation than prevention but nonetheless are effective .

Just on the one point I've highlighted Zippy, it's not purely a requirement for vaccine passports; those who haven't been vaccinated need only produce evidence of a negative lateral flow test, which are easily circumvented as, if you are the the wrong frame of mind, you can take the test, get a positive result, then think 'I feel fine, I'm still going', so you tell the NHS when you log in that the test was negative and they send you back a confirmation of what you told them. The lateral flow tests only work with honest, responsible people, but they do allow people to attend without having an actual vaccine passport, thereby not excluding the vaccine-sceptic or those with genuine concerns about the vaccine, as long as they are willing to take a FREE test.

[redrobo]

Love the whataboutery from the anti mask, anti vaxx idiots.

Yes, there are people who can't have the vaccine, for valid, non made-up, reasons. All the more reason for everyone who can have the vaccine to have theirs to protect others. The anti-vaxxers don't seem to have cottoned on to the fact that everyone who has had the vaccine already are keeping the anti-vaxxers safe too.

So you don't wear a mask and you don't have a vaccine, and you end up in hospital. Not only are you taking up resources purely through your own stupidity, you're blocking a bed from an accident victim, or a cancer sufferer. There's a finite number of beds and medical staff, and mitigating the spread of covid is keeping those beds open for people who need them.

But you might have to show an app to get into the pub? Boo f**king hoo.

In total agreement with the above.

My brother in law has a serious condition that has required and will require further extensive surgery BUT it has had to be put on hold AGAIN until beds are free. As a family we are obviously worried for his future and in the mean time he lives with an excessive amount of pain and discomfort 24 hours a day whilst his condition gets worse by the hour.

[jbc.shrimp]

I’m with you 100% redrobo

I'm with you 100% too!

+1.

I was told in Sainsburys that the staff on doors are not allowed to challenge nor stop anybody entering the store if the entrant claims to have an exemption.