glagys wrote:Mr Robert Madden
Surly he cannot cause mayhem on the sidelines can he??
SERIOUS FOUL PLAY
A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.
Keith wrote:From 'The Laws of the Game'SERIOUS FOUL PLAY
A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.
I think that's how the linesman saw it. Gnahoua didn't intend to hit their player, but 'intent' isn't mentioned in the laws of the game. His elbow got there before the rest of him and hit their player in the face/head. Gnahoua missed the ball, their lad headed it. He just completely mistimed his jump, but I think the officials got it right. Doesn't excuse Accrington players surrounding the ref like they did or their player making a meal of it.
CityShrimp wrote:I think there’s some subjectivity there. If a player accidentally kicks the head of a defender who is making a diving header, then you could say the kick endangered the opponent but it shouldn’t be a red - sometimes it’s just an unfortunate accident.
Having said all that, I agree that we’re unlikely to be successful with an appeal. You’ve usually got to prove that the ref was blatantly wrong beyond all doubt which isn’t really the case here.
fulwoodshrimp wrote:All this debate about intent and subjectivity is in danger of exonerating an official that was very biased and one -sided. You knew as soon as the player rolled around like he had been shot and a bunch of Accrington players surrounded the referee that a red card would be produced. Lets be frank, in my opinion Saturday's referee and several others we have had this season shouldn't be anywhere near the EFL. We are promoting abysmal referee after abysmal referee and change is needed. You look at some of the referees and it's quite obvious they have never really played the game and have no feel for the game but now are officiating. Many referees are biased in favour of the big boys so its likely next Saturday Ipswich will get the key decisions in their favour. I still believe we should be recruiting people who have played the game and know it and have a feel for it. We can't go on pretending all is well with the beautiful game, we have a refereeing crisis!
vvm wrote:The abuse dished out to the refs at the lower levels is abysmal also. Generally around our level they are well protected, they might catch some abuse and boos but nothing like the personal threats I've seen from fans and even players in the lower divisions when there are no stewards or anyone around to protect them.
I don't understand how anyone could be arsed putting up with that so it doesn't surprised me that the standard higher up the divisions suffers for it.
fulwoodshrimp wrote:All this debate about intent and subjectivity is in danger of exonerating an official that was very biased and one -sided. You knew as soon as the player rolled around like he had been shot and a bunch of Accrington players surrounded the referee that a red card would be produced
CityShrimp wrote:fulwoodshrimp wrote:All this debate about intent and subjectivity is in danger of exonerating an official that was very biased and one -sided. You knew as soon as the player rolled around like he had been shot and a bunch of Accrington players surrounded the referee that a red card would be produced
This has always been a problem in games against Accrington. Year after year we come up against an Accrington side who dive, cheat and foul their way through the game and we never seem prepared for it.
If I had the time or inclination, I’d go back and check this but I genuinely think that we’ve either had a player sent off or a penalty conceded in at least 50% of our games against Accy over the last say 20 years (with most of those decisions being controversial ones). And virtually no penalty/red card decisions going in our favour during that period.
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