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I don't want DA to have sacking on his CV so PLEASE DA for the sake of OUR club who rescued you TWICE from obscurity do the honourable thing and call it a day yourself NOW so that OUR club have the time to look for a new manager before the season ends so that they can decide who they will need in EFL2.

To wait until the end of the season and not give a new man chance to decide what we need can't be right for OUR club.

You will be remembered as the manager to get us promoted to EFL1 and nobody can ever take that away from you..... for that you will have our eternal thanks:)

We needs to be starting the recruitment process now so when the transfer window opens we are ready to go. Otherwise we will be weeks behind and all the good players will be gone.

redrobo wrote:I don't want DA to have sacking on his CV

Really

I went to Barnsley , my first away game of the season.

Barnsley looked what they are , a very good team who have won 7 home games on the spin , some of them included thrashings of other teams.

Second half we looked much better , could have scored 2 or 3 goals , but one superb effort hit the post and a couple went begging when players passed rather than shot due probably to a lack of confidence after the boo boys gave them a half time rocket.

Until the ownership is sorted we are in limbo. They probably can't even put a figure on a budget for next season , whichever division we are in.

For me it is Carry on Derek. If we do drop down I can't think of anyone that we could afford with better credentials to get us into a top half of EFL2 rather than fight relegation which was something we did every season until Derek arrived in November 2019.

P/T Indie wrote:We needs to be starting the recruitment process now so when the transfer window opens we are ready to go. Otherwise we will be weeks behind and all the good players will be gone.

How can we start the process now, and recruit "all the good players", when we don't know if the club will get sold, who it will get sold to, and what the budget will be for next season?

Not to mention the small matter of, as unlikely as we may think it is, we're still in touching distance of safety, so don't know [for sure] which League we will be in next season?

I hope Derek and the team have more resolve and determination that one or two of the fans who seem to have thrown the towel in!

Cisco Kid wrote:I hope Derek and the team have more resolve and determination that one or two of the fans who seem to have thrown the towel in!

I think our fan base has hit rock bottom this season, it is as bad as I have ever known it.

Do we really want another season(s) of sterile football with little attacking intent

I will ever be in DA's debt for getting us to EFL1 but probably more important saving us from the ignominy of relegation to the National league but (for me) we need a complete change in match approach with more attention given to an attacking policy.

I respect the opinion of others on this board who have the opposite view. In the final analysis whoever is OUR club's manager I will continue to support OUR club in whatever league we play in....even if we ultimately end up in the lower reaches of non league like a number of former league clubs have.

redrobo wrote:Do we really want another season(s) of sterile football with little attacking intent

I will ever be in DA's debt for getting us to EFL1 but probably more important saving us from the ignominy of relegation to the National league but (for me) we need a complete change in match approach with more attention given to an attacking policy.

I respect the opinion of others on this board who have the opposite view. In the final analysis whoever is OUR club's manager I will continue to support OUR club in whatever league we play in....even if we ultimately end up in the lower reaches of non league like a number of former league clubs have.

Forever in his debt with one breath, and sack him with the next! I am glad that you are not in my debt Brutas!

Seriously, what chance do you think we have realistically to get any results if we chop and change at this late time in the season?

Derek got us here and he deserves to see us to the end of the season.

What formation did we play yesterday? Where did thay get us?

I would urge everyone to take a step back and look at the bigger picture of the club structure and finances, before shooting the manager.

PS - It isnt OUR club, no matter which way you look at it. It is privately owned business and all the posturing in the world wont change that.

Cisco Kid wrote:

redrobo wrote:Do we really want another season(s) of sterile football with little attacking intent

I will ever be in DA's debt for getting us to EFL1 but probably more important saving us from the ignominy of relegation to the National league but (for me) we need a complete change in match approach with more attention given to an attacking policy.

I respect the opinion of others on this board who have the opposite view. In the final analysis whoever is OUR club's manager I will continue to support OUR club in whatever league we play in....even if we ultimately end up in the lower reaches of non league like a number of former league clubs have.

Forever in his debt with one breath, and sack him with the next! I am glad that you are not in my debt Brutas!

Seriously, what chance do you think we have realistically to get any results if we chop and change at this late time in the season?

Derek got us here and he deserves to see us to the end of the season.

What formation did we play yesterday? Where did thay get us?

I would urge everyone to take a step back and look at the bigger picture of the club structure and finances, before shooting the manager.

You are in danger of talking a lot of sense here Cisco Kid, the powers that be will not be happy with that.

It is amazing that we are still in with a shout of staying in the 3rd tier of English Football and Derek deserves credit for that. He won't ever get it though.

Some of the fans pick on certain players which cannot do much for their confidence.

I thought Love had a pretty decent game yesterday. He got forward attacking and I don't put any of their goals down to mistakes by him.

He sliced one clearance out for a throw-in and the boo boys were howling !

Cisco Kid wrote:

redrobo wrote:Do we really want another season(s) of sterile football with little attacking intent

I will ever be in DA's debt for getting us to EFL1 but probably more important saving us from the ignominy of relegation to the National league but (for me) we need a complete change in match approach with more attention given to an attacking policy.

I respect the opinion of others on this board who have the opposite view. In the final analysis whoever is OUR club's manager I will continue to support OUR club in whatever league we play in....even if we ultimately end up in the lower reaches of non league like a number of former league clubs have.

Forever in his debt with one breath, and sack him with the next! I am glad that you are not in my debt Brutas!

Seriously, what chance do you think we have realistically to get any results if we chop and change at this late time in the season?

Derek got us here and he deserves to see us to the end of the season.

What formation did we play yesterday? Where did thay get us?

I would urge everyone to take a step back and look at the bigger picture of the club structure and finances, before shooting the manager.

It worked for Crystal Palace yesterday after nearly everybody had written them off. Even the TV pundits were impressed how a change in attitude and style had given Palace a sense of purpose and belief for the remainder of their campaign.

IF as seems likely ( ) we have a new man at the helm next season then the process of selection has to start now so that they are aware of what is needed, rather than arrive in close season and then have to chase players who may already have been sorted for the season 23/24.

Of course the off field negotiations concerning the take over will determine the finances available for a playing budget but for me the process of finding a successor to DA has to start now.....for all we know it may already have started....

However all is not lost and it's not inconceivable for DA to work magic once again and save us from relegation for the first time in the clubs history...

We're on the edge of dropping into League Two and currently have one of the best managers at that level over the past decade, a head of recruitment selected by him, and the beginnings of a squad properly moulded into his preferences.

Managerial turnover is partly why we're in our position. If I've got a bone to pick with Derek it's over his initial decision to leave, not his performance this season.

Absolutely blows my mind that people are managing to blame Derek for our current position with the shambles that Bond Group are orchestrating off the pitch. It's a hard enough job keeping Morecambe in League One, made even harder when you have your hands tied behind your back.

My only concern would be that unfortunately a large portion of muppets in the stands have turned things so sour it might just be irretrievable at this point.

Gone_Shrimping wrote:Some of the fans pick on certain players which cannot do much for their confidence.

I thought Love had a pretty decent game yesterday. He got forward attacking and I don't put any of their goals down to mistakes by him.

He sliced one clearance out for a throw-in and the boo boys were howling !

I remember going to D&R and watching us get smashed 6-0 live on the TV. Yeah we were gutted but our fans clapped our players off the pitch that day because we knew how much effort they had to put in to get there. Dave Artell mentioned it in an interview years later, he said how shocked he was to see us do that. We have lost that somewhere a long the way despite playing at our highest ever level in front of sell outs at home and PL grounds away from home. It is just really sad that our fanbase has forgotten where we have come from and how we did it.

Thats cos the current fanbase wasnt there.

L1 has been a great experience and eye opener but we are just not up to it. The paraphernalia of rules and ticketing has spoilt the matchday experience and thats without some of the dross served up on the pitch

I do wonder how people would feel if (and ok it’s a big if) we do manage to grind out some wins and we stay in League one. Will people still be calling for Derek to be sacked?

If survival AND playing attractive football is the minimum standard - with any less than that resulting in fans calling for a sacking - then we are setting a very high bar for our manager indeed.

marky No.1 wrote:Thats cos the current fanbase wasnt there.

L1 has been a great experience and eye opener but we are just not up to it. The paraphernalia of rules and ticketing has spoilt the matchday experience and thats without some of the dross served up on the pitch

Some of them were

Little Shrimp wrote:We're on the edge of dropping into League Two and currently have one of the best managers at that level over the past decade, a head of recruitment selected by him, and the beginnings of a squad properly moulded into his preferences.

Managerial turnover is partly why we're in our position. If I've got a bone to pick with Derek it's over his initial decision to leave, not his performance this season.

Absolutely blows my mind that people are managing to blame Derek for our current position with the shambles that Bond Group are orchestrating off the pitch. It's a hard enough job keeping Morecambe in League One, made even harder when you have your hands tied behind your back.

My only concern would be that unfortunately a large portion of muppets in the stands have turned things so sour it might just be irretrievable at this point.

This is the best post on here in ages and is 100% spot on. It's got to the point now where I just don't have the words to deal with some of the absolute bollocks i see and hear from our fans. Quality post, well played.

I have to say the Little Shrimp post is bang on for me too, as is Berlin Waller regarding the attitude at Dagenham when we lost in the play-offs. The team got applauded off at half time despite being hammered, and again at full time despite being hammered again. That’s was the spirit that kept us up in League Two.
This season has been a bridge too far, our away form is lamentable and we seem to be so low on confidence it’s hardly surprising. But losing Robbo, having half the unwanted squad on 2 year deals and then this ongoing ( since Sarbs first game which was I’m told, September,) sale of the club, it’s been a forgettable one.
It’s not impossible that we stay up, but it’s looking pretty improbable, but we can’t give up even if and when we do return to League Two.
DA got us up on a shoestring, ideally a new owner providing a fair budget and hopefully he can stabilise, and move us forward again!
Who that owner is and what his intentions are? Well only time will tell. But as it stands, there are too many imponderables to be arsing about sacking people and a complete route and branch rebuild on the pitch.Regroup, stabilise and ensure we can be competitive. If you are Shrimps fan, it’s hardly a disaster playing in League 2 given where we have come from??

Freez wrote:I have to say the Little Shrimp post is bang on for me too, as is Berlin Waller regarding the attitude at Dagenham when we lost in the play-offs. The team got applauded off at half time despite being hammered, and again at full time despite being hammered again. That’s was the spirit that kept us up in League Two.
This season has been a bridge too far, our away form is lamentable and we seem to be so low on confidence it’s hardly surprising. But losing Robbo, having half the unwanted squad on 2 year deals and then this ongoing ( since Sarbs first game which was I’m told, September,) sale of the club, it’s been a forgettable one.
It’s not impossible that we stay up, but it’s looking pretty improbable, but we can’t give up even if and when we do return to League Two.
DA got us up on a shoestring, ideally a new owner providing a fair budget and hopefully he can stabilise, and move us forward again!
Who that owner is and what his intentions are? Well only time will tell. But as it stands, there are too many imponderables to be arsing about sacking people and a complete route and breach rebuild on the pitch.Regroup, stabilise and ensure we can be competitive. If you are Shrimps fan, it’s hardly a disaster playing in League 2 given where we have come from??

2nd best post in a long time.

The voices of reason!

Fully agree with Little Shrimp and Freeze.

Keep supporting Derek and the lads until the final whistle on the last day of the season.

Whatever happens, we will still be a LEAGUE TEAM next season and we will regroup and stabilise with our new owner.

COYS

P/T Indie wrote:We needs to be starting the recruitment process now so when the transfer window opens we are ready to go. Otherwise we will be weeks behind and all the good players will be gone.

I'm sure that the management team are working towards that, but in reality, you can't do much this soon.

In Morecambe's case, they won't know what their player budget is. We don't know who the owners will be and don't know if the wages budget will be higher, lower or about the same. Player's aren't going to be attracted if there is doubt as to whether we'll have new owners or not, and even less so if the wages aren't paid on time at the end of April and end of May (when we'll have even less income to pay them and will have to go cap in hand again for a cash influx).

Even if we were a steady/secure club, the management/scouting team won't know which players are being released this far ahead of the end of season - it would be guesswork/speculation at best.

The best they can do is assume we're relegated, and assume wages budget stays the same, and start looking at players in the L2 teams likely to be promoted to L1 to try to spot which players will be released due to not being good enough for L1, and maybe look for some promising younger players in L2 or below who may be worth a punt on to try to "dangle" L2 or L2 promotion run in front of them.

To do anything tangible, we need new owners asap and confirmation of wages budget, then Derek (or whoever) can hit the ground running towards the end of April, ready to start talking to players early May as soon as the season ends and release lists are posted.

Agree with cisco kid, BW, Freez and little shrimp. The manager isn't the reason we are in this position.

When does Derek's contract expire?

IMO Johal's purchase will be rejected by the EFL, he'll probably want his money back and we will be suck with bond group trying to offload for an unrealisic price. All this will make it almost impossible to change manager unless Derek is out of contact and we go for Baz, Drummy or someone else already contracted at the club.

I also agree. This idea that our current predicament is all Dereks fault is unfair.