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One out of contract player who for me is a MUST for next season is our outstanding Goalkeeper Connor Ripley.

Also if St Mirrsan come back and offer decent money for Jacob Bedeau I would let him go and put the money towards a decent striker even from the National League who needs to prove himself at EFL level.

Some months ago it was rumoured that we were interested in Scott Quigley who is on loan at Rochdale and will probably be available this summer. All depends on who is in the hot seat but could see Scott being the type of player who DA would be interested in (if he is still with us).

Midfield has been an issue this season with DA himself saying that we lack experience in the engine room. Definately a mistake to let Tooms go but one player who could fill the void lefy by him is Danny Lloyd currently on loan at Rochdale and although 32 he could be just the midfield power house we will need to see us have a promotion chasing next season.

Last night like others I was down and saddened to think of relegation for the first time in our history, But I've had my moan and now look to next season full of hope and optimism.

As I said elsewhere, I'd drop Stockton for the rest of the season and give Niasse a regular run, to assess him with a view to next season.

Despite being the scapegoat for many, I'd like us to keep Love, although not as captain. I still prefer Cooney, as I think he's a better crosser, so keep both of them. Not sure whether Gibson has another year? If not, definitely keep him.

Basically, I think the bulk of this squad would make a decent League Two side. As we found when we went up, there was a huge jump in quality, so presumably, we'd find the same going back down?

Who ever is in the hot seat next season one thing for sure they will have to find replacements for our 6 loanees. Not sure if having so many loanees using our club to gain experience is a good thing for OUR club.

This season our midfield has been made up in the main of inexperienced loanees which has been part reason for our impending relegation. Such a vital area for any team it has been a major reason why Cole has underachieved. He's missed our playmakers of last season and we have not replaced them like for like and DA has to take some of the blame for that.

Defensively we have been a shambles with only Connor coming out of it with any modicum of credit.

Keith wrote:As I said elsewhere, I'd drop Stockton for the rest of the season and give Niasse a regular run, to assess him with a view to next season.

Despite being the scapegoat for many, I'd like us to keep Love, although not as captain. I still prefer Cooney, as I think he's a better crosser, so keep both of them. Not sure whether Gibson has another year? If not, definitely keep him.

Basically, I think the bulk of this squad would make a decent League Two side. As we found when we went up, there was a huge jump in quality, so presumably, we'd find the same going back down?

I thought Love had a pretty decent game yesterday against a good side.

He hit a great shot 2nd half that just went wide.

He has 1 year left on his contract and Cooney is out of contract. Therefore I can see Cooney leaving and a possible destination could be the Crown Ground.

redrobo wrote:This season our midfield has been made up in the main of inexperienced loanees which has been part reason for our impending relegation. Such a vital area for any team it has been a major reason why Cole has underachieved. He's missed our playmakers of last season and we have not replaced them like for like and DA has to take some of the blame for that.

Well, Jenson Weir is our leading goalscorer, and I'd be delighted if we signed him or Shaw on a permanent basis, not that I expect either. Most people agree that our mini-revival at the start of the year faltered when Phillips left us. I'd suggest that three of our better performers have been midfield players, on loan from other clubs.

Gone_Shrimping wrote:

Keith wrote:As I said elsewhere, I'd drop Stockton for the rest of the season and give Niasse a regular run, to assess him with a view to next season.

Despite being the scapegoat for many, I'd like us to keep Love, although not as captain. I still prefer Cooney, as I think he's a better crosser, so keep both of them. Not sure whether Gibson has another year? If not, definitely keep him.

Basically, I think the bulk of this squad would make a decent League Two side. As we found when we went up, there was a huge jump in quality, so presumably, we'd find the same going back down?

I thought Love had a pretty decent game yesterday against a good side.

He hit a great shot 2nd half that just went wide.

He has 1 year left on his contract and Cooney is out of contract. Therefore I can see Cooney leaving and a possible destination could be the Crown Ground.

Ryan is in danger of becoming an average lower league footballer and will only have himself to blame. He has wasted 2 years of his career by being unfit and unprofessional. He is far too heavy and unfit to play at this level, say what you want about Love but his fitness levels are sky high.

Compare Ryan's career with Adam Phillips.

It looks like it’ll be league two next season and I guess we have to work on the assumption that there won’t be more money from a new owner. If anything, I expect our budget will be slightly less for league two than league one…

I agree that keeping Connor should be a priority although I’d be targeting him if I were a lower/middle league one club in need of a new keeper so that could be tricky.

As discussed in the other thread, Cole can go and I’d focus the recruitment mostly on overhauling the forward department to bring some energy in, and adding an experienced head or two into the midfield.

Sadly, I think we're going to say yet another wholesale change of players over Summer, which doesn't bode well. For the last couple of Summers, we've had far too much movement of players, inevitably, but too much change isn't good at all. I long for the days of a bit of consistency and settled players like in the days of Flemmo, Ellison, Kenyon, Wildig, Roche, Drummond, Parrish, etc., where we had a generally settled spine of players who were with us seemingly forever which provided experience and consistency, mixed in with others who'd be here for 2-3 years, and very few who were here less, usually a few loanees especially from January transfer windows. Inevitable with the changes of manager, promotion and now relegation, but it's not good and it shows on the pitch.

I think the main thing this Summer is to sign players who actually want to stay here for the longer term, which is going to be difficult for whoever will be the manager.

Out of our current players, I actually think Love will do well at L2 level, and I'd also like to keep Gibbo and obviously Ripley and Smith as goalkeepers. Love and Gibbo look to be players who'd stay for the long term and really put all their effort into playing for us so could be the start of a new spine. Really not sure who else I'd keep to be honest. I wouldn't even offer Cole nor Arthur a new contract. The loanees are unlikely to stay. Maybe Hunter for pace. Mayor will almost certainly get sold. But we're going to be a whole new team in August, that's for sure.

KenH wrote:Sadly, I think we're going to say yet another wholesale change of players over Summer, which doesn't bode well. For the last couple of Summers, we've had far too much movement of players, inevitably, but too much change isn't good at all. I long for the days of a bit of consistency and settled players like in the days of Flemmo, Ellison, Kenyon, Wildig, Roche, Drummond, Parrish, etc., where we had a generally settled spine of players who were with us seemingly forever which provided experience and consistency, mixed in with others who'd be here for 2-3 years, and very few who were here less, usually a few loanees especially from January transfer windows. Inevitable with the changes of manager, promotion and now relegation, but it's not good and it shows on the pitch.

I think the main thing this Summer is to sign players who actually want to stay here for the longer term, which is going to be difficult for whoever will be the manager.

Out of our current players, I actually think Love will do well at L2 level, and I'd also like to keep Gibbo and obviously Ripley and Smith as goalkeepers. Love and Gibbo look to be players who'd stay for the long term and really put all their effort into playing for us so could be the start of a new spine. Really not sure who else I'd keep to be honest. I wouldn't even offer Cole nor Arthur a new contract. The loanees are unlikely to stay. Maybe Hunter for pace. Mayor will almost certainly get sold. But we're going to be a whole new team in August, that's for sure.

I agree about the turnover of players, it would be good to re-establish the spine of a team which gets tinkered with/added to, rather than totally overhauled, every summer.

Being less reliant on loanees should be a priority and I think a benefit of going down could be that we are able to take a longer term view on recruitment - giving more young players a chance rather than the short term fire fighting of signing players for a league one relegation battle.

KenH wrote:Sadly, I think we're going to say yet another wholesale change of players over Summer, which doesn't bode well. For the last couple of Summers, we've had far too much movement of players, inevitably, but too much change isn't good at all. I long for the days of a bit of consistency and settled players like in the days of Flemmo, Ellison, Kenyon, Wildig, Roche, Drummond, Parrish, etc., where we had a generally settled spine of players who were with us seemingly forever which provided experience and consistency, mixed in with others who'd be here for 2-3 years, and very few who were here less, usually a few loanees especially from January transfer windows. Inevitable with the changes of manager, promotion and now relegation, but it's not good and it shows on the pitch.

I think the main thing this Summer is to sign players who actually want to stay here for the longer term, which is going to be difficult for whoever will be the manager.

Out of our current players, I actually think Love will do well at L2 level, and I'd also like to keep Gibbo and obviously Ripley and Smith as goalkeepers. Love and Gibbo look to be players who'd stay for the long term and really put all their effort into playing for us so could be the start of a new spine. Really not sure who else I'd keep to be honest. I wouldn't even offer Cole nor Arthur a new contract. The loanees are unlikely to stay. Maybe Hunter for pace. Mayor will almost certainly get sold. But we're going to be a whole new team in August, that's for sure.

Sadly this idea seems to be out of 'fashion' now as agents keeping pushing they players to move for better deals. In order to keep players you need to be able to give them top wages and/or longer contracts.

Any players will need to be confident they are going to get paid, without a new owner this will be an issue.

Secondly we need confirmation of a manager maybe then we can think about players, who will be offered rather large pay cuts

marky No.1 wrote:Any players will need to be confident they are going to get paid, without a new owner this will be an issue.

Secondly we need confirmation of a manager maybe then we can think about players, who will be offered rather large pay cuts

The longer this 'change of ownership' continues the more I think it will not happen. The issue will then be huge! It appears to be moving towards 2 months since the papers/information requested by the EFL were rumoured to have been submitted

marky No.1 wrote:Any players will need to be confident they are going to get paid, without a new owner this will be an issue.

Secondly we need confirmation of a manager maybe then we can think about players, who will be offered rather large pay cuts

This is why I'd like Derek Adam's to be be given an extension and build the team further, we all know what he can do in L2, two promotions to his name.

You listen to club officials and they say there are 15 points to play for, other than Derek they are still clutching at straws.

Big changes ahoy

Contracted are: Love, Rawson, Bedeau, Melbourne, Taylor and Mayor. I'd be happy keeping all of them, especially going into League Two. Hopefully the summer will give Melbourne and Taylor a bit of time to recover and move past their injury concerns.

I'd be happy keeping all three of our goalkeepers (sounds like Mendes has done a good job on loan), but Ripley seems very hopeful. Same with Crowley, I'd love to keep him but can't see it happening, especially if we're in League Two. Would definitely be offering a contract to Gibson, and I think there's a decent chance he signs it. Souare I've liked, but it seems unlikely he'll sign.

If we offered Delaney, Hunter and Gnahoua contracts then I'd be happy enough, but equally I wouldn't be concerned if they were let go.

I'm not bothered about trying to keep Niasse and think it's unlikely anyway. If this season's anything to go off then I can't see us keeping Cooney. Who knows with Stockton, I'd be perfectly happy letting him go and moving on from that whole saga.

Assuming that we haven't extended Stockton's contract we shouldn't offer him one. There is no reason to suppose he's going to put himself out for us in League two anymore than he has this season.

black morse wrote:Assuming that we haven't extended Stockton's contract we shouldn't offer him one. There is no reason to suppose he's going to put himself out for us in League two anymore than he has this season.

He was definitely offered a new contract ages ago. I'm hoping it was either time-limited, and has now expired, or been withdrawn. I'd hate to think he still has it in his back pocket as a 'fall back', in the event of nothing better being offered. I expect he will leave, regardless of where he goes next, but I'd release him anyway. He'll probably end up at a League Two club and score a hat-trick against us next season, I just hope it is on less money than we offered him originally!

Soon to be out of contract players can be approached as soon as the season ends, but I'm not sure quite what that means? Is it as soon as we play our last game, or, when the play-offs have finished? Or, after the FA Cup final?

With regards to Ripley, this is the first season for a long time where he has played an entire season and living near Preston he could decide that playing week in week out and close to a club where he doesn't have to travel too far could be in our favour.

However if Accy manage to stay in EFL1 then I can see them making a move for Connor....

As far as players like Arthur, Delaney and Hunter are concerned offer them a contract but on greatly reduced money with whatever money is then available to be spent on a striker and an experienced midfield general which for me has been a major problem all season and sounds as though DA has accepted that we have lacked experience in that area having relied too much on inexperienced loanees.

Keith wrote:

black morse wrote:Assuming that we haven't extended Stockton's contract we shouldn't offer him one. There is no reason to suppose he's going to put himself out for us in League two anymore than he has this season.

He was definitely offered a new contract ages ago. I'm hoping it was either time-limited, and has now expired, or been withdrawn. I'd hate to think he still has it in his back pocket as a 'fall back', in the event of nothing better being offered. I expect he will leave, regardless of where he goes next, but I'd release him anyway. He'll probably end up at a League Two club and score a hat-trick against us next season, I just hope it is on less money than we offered him originally!

Soon to be out of contract players can be approached as soon as the season ends, but I'm not sure quite what that means? Is it as soon as we play our last game, or, when the play-offs have finished? Or, after the FA Cup final?

We apparently offered much improved terms, which would have made him the highest paid Morecambe player ever. That was on the strength of his exploits last season and was obviously based upon us having a ‘league one’ budget at the time of it being offered. All of that has changed and for me, there’s no way that the same offer can now be on the table. Even if the manager is super keen to keep Cole, I would imagine that our budget for next season will be reduced slightly to reflect the fact that we aren’t in league one anymore and we probably couldn’t afford to offer the same terms again.

All that said, I wouldn’t renew his contract and I don’t think he’ll want to stay anyway.

redrobo wrote:With regards to Ripley, this is the first season for a long time where he has played an entire season and living near Preston he could decide that playing week in week out and close to a club where he doesn't have to travel too far could be in our favour.

However if Accy manage to stay in EFL1 then I can see them making a move for Connor....

As far as players like Arthur, Delaney and Hunter are concerned offer them a contract but on greatly reduced money with whatever money is then available to be spent on a striker and an experienced midfield general which for me has been a major problem all season and sounds as though DA has accepted that we have lacked experience in that area having relied too much on inexperienced loanees.

Other league one clubs would be stupid not to target a move for Connor Ripley but I do feel that we’ve built up a lot of credit in the bank with him in terms of his overall happiness at Morecambe and we’ve really given him a ‘home’. I’m quietly hopeful that that could swing things in our favour with him staying.

Half our starting line up are on £100K plus, no way are they getting that off us in L2 and that doesnt include the loanees who are on more

Tough to make a call on a few of our players. A few clearly not up to the league one task but could probably do a job in league 2.

Maybe those on 2 year contracts have it written into their contract that their wage will reduce IF the club is relegated. Would seem a reasonable expectation....

As somebody mentioned elsewhere online, Jim Harvey attended a match not so long ago. Could it have been decided we are no longer retaining D.A's services and Jim could already be talking to prospective signings ahead of next season.

jbc.shrimp wrote:As somebody mentioned elsewhere online, Jim Harvey attended a match not so long ago. Could it have been decided we are no longer retaining D.A's services and Jim could already be talking to prospective signings ahead of next season.

I'd be amazed if that was the case. Seven years out of football management and never managed a Football League club. If you were looking in that direction, someone like Dave Artell, who has League One & Two experience as a manager, and a history with Morecambe, but I'd expect if Derek goes, we'd advertise again.

I'm sure Jim still has a lot of friends at the club.