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If Derek leaves at the end of the season, I would be happy for John Mc and Barry to take over. They know the club, the players,the backroom staff and all about the financial problems. I want Derek to get a new contract but I think he will be away to a bigger club, possibly in league two, after all, he has a proven record of getting clubs out of league two.

I'll go the other way....

If Derek leaves (we have an option to extend his deal apparently - but if he does not want to stay, then its best to move on) I think we should recruit externally from the club again. It worked wonders when we initially hired Derek; bring in somebody from outside the club that comes with new/fresh ideas and enthusiasm. Somebody that challenges what some people who have been here a while have accepted as the norm and a way of doing things.

Some of the external hires the club has made in recent times on and off the field have been brilliant. I do not understand why, when somebody leaves or you face difficulties, in football the default position is: Give it to a club legend that has little or no managerial experience. Apply that to the real world at the company you work for.... it is quite bizarre!

Worth adding to this that I don't think either John McMahon or Barry Roche would fancy the role full time.

With all his years working as a coach and stepping in as caretaker manager occasionally, you'd think McMahon would have made a move towards being a first team manager years ago if he'd wanted to.

And given that Roche has set up his own goalkeeping school, you'd think he's probably not that bothered about being manager either.

If Derek leaves , no manager in their right mind would take the job on , unless the club has a new owner that isnt the one having the longest check in EFL history .

mrpotatohead wrote:If Derek leaves , no manager in their right mind would take the job on , unless the club has a new owner that isnt the one having the longest check in EFL history.

There absolutely, definitely would be candidates. The quality may or may not be very high, we'd have to wait & see. Despite the ongoing ownership issues, we'd still be an interesting club to manage.

If we have an option to extend Derek's contract AND he wants the challenge, we may as well ping it. If he manages a miraculous escape this season, then he deserves it and if we're relegated, he has a fantastic record in League Two.

RedRedWine wrote:I'll go the other way.... I think we should recruit externally from the club again.

I agree. There's nothing to suggest John or Baz want the job, likewise Drummy. They're probably happy having a steady, less demanding and less risky and virtually lifetime, job, than go onto the managerial carousel. They're settled and have family locally and that's maybe more important than traipsing around the country getting appointed and then sacked as manager. I've always thought that giving Jimbo the manager's job straight after being the captain was also a mistake due to lack of experience - he'd have made a cracking assistant manager first and then maybe moved to manager after a period of gaining experience as the No2.

Remember who it was that said we wouldn't be able to replace Jim Bentley and that nobody would do a better job?

ideally if we trigger and extend Dereks contract ASAP, he could then start sorting new deals out for some of our players and build onto that this summer to get off to a good start to the season.


rather than a new Manager starting from scratch making wholesale changers, and when the season starts and result don't go well, then giving it ((oh well its a new squad and the players need time to settle in))

Morecambe Football Club has now existed for over 100 years. Here's a question for you! Which manager has presided over our three highest ever final league positions? I think we all know the answer is Derek Adams.

The guy is not perfect, who is? But one things for sure he has worked, in sometimes very difficult circumstances, to achieve what he has and has performed minor miracles to do so. Despite this he is subjected to torrents of criticism (and sometimes abuse) on social media from so called supporters who wouldn't have a clue about running a professional football club.

I would imagine he reads Social Media (most folk do nowadays) and he must be very downhearted about the flak he is subjected to week in week out.

I would be amazed if he is willing to sign a new contract with us next season. Personally I would love to see him in charge again but I just can't see it somehow.

KenH wrote:

RedRedWine wrote:I'll go the other way.... I think we should recruit externally from the club again.

I agree. There's nothing to suggest John or Baz want the job, likewise Drummy. They're probably happy having a steady, less demanding and less risky and virtually lifetime, job, than go onto the managerial carousel. They're settled and have family locally and that's maybe more important than traipsing around the country getting appointed and then sacked as manager. I've always thought that giving Jimbo the manager's job straight after being the captain was also a mistake due to lack of experience - he'd have made a cracking assistant manager first and then maybe moved to manager after a period of gaining experience as the No2.

This is a fair point - if you are Baz/Drummy and take on the managers job, you immediately have intense pressure to succeed in a much more difficult role and if you don’t, you can’t really go back to your old job and you’ve lost everything.

Why on Gods green earth would you sack a Manager with nearly 700 games and a very decent CV and replace them with a Goalie coach? Why do we as fans have this mentality? Thank goodness the BoD's had some ambition.

Nobody is saying sack the manager, if you read the original post I actually state that I want Derek to get a new contract. My concern is that if he does leave and we bring somebody in who does not know the club,we will be in a similar position to when Robinson arrived on a three year deal. He brought in his own staff and loads of players on two year contracts and then after six months decided to head North, leaving the club in a worse position than when he arrived. At least with John Mc and Barry you would have the stability that the club needs at the moment. I understand people saying that they probably wouldn't want the job, but how safe would their positions be if a new manager came in. Robinson pushed John Mc out and most managers want their own coaching staff, so Barry's position would not be guaranteed. It's uncertain times for the club and if we are not careful we will enter into free fall like a lot of clubs before us.

I hope Derek stays. If we do drop down to league two his track record apart from Bradford is outstanding. If he doesn’t we look elsewhere. Prefer a manager with no ties or baggage at the club. Only yesterday Port Vale parted company with Darrel Clarke a pretty good manager who got Bristol Rovers promoted twice in two seasons and port vale were Jake Taylor came from. There are lots of decent managers it’s just finding the right one for the club.

Promoting within would be the worst thing we could do, we've been down that road before and it doesn't work. If Derek was to leave , then we need to appoint an external manager. There are plenty of football league managers out of work who would be interested in the job. Promoting within isn't ambition imo, it's the easy, lazy option.

Agreed with the above , if Derek does leave for whatever reason then advertise the post and see what calibre of applicants there are.

Just as with Derek someone with a fresh eye will be able to assess what needs to be done. Promoting from within at our level may be cheaper but not likely to work.

I watched the team training at the College this morning. They sounded to be in good spirits ! The physio was working with a player on runs , I think it may have been Mayor

Anyway I will pin my colours to the mast and say I hope Derek is managing us next season whichever division we are in.

Believe we had a decent number of applicants when Derek left the first time? Granted we were a fresh league one team at the time but suspect we might generate a good bit of interest from potential applicants this time around

I wan't Derek to still be in charge next season, but if he decided to walk, I would like Karl Robinson, he's a proven manager at L1/L2 level and plays attractive attacking football. If we could attract him though is another thing.

If D.A. does decide to leave, I do hope it is part of the new managers contract that John McMahon is assistant. As we know John has been with us for more years than I know in different roles. He also has past managerial experience (all be it caretaker at different clubs). D.O,C came in with Robbo and soon left with him for North of the border. At least we have some loyalty from John.

The concern for me is if Derek leaves, it will probably be because of the unresolved ownership situation. In which case, I think it'd be very hard to attract candidates like Darrell Clarke and Michael Flynn. If the ownership situation gets resolved but Derek decides he still fancies a break or something, then I don't think that the likes of Clarke or Flynn would be unrealistic.

Basically it all hinges on resolving the ownership situation. If it is resolved soon, then I think it's pretty likely Derek will stay as I get the impression he has a strong relationship with the board and people around the club. I think the occasional bit of venting he's done in interviews is directed at the owners, although he obviously can't explicitly say 'Bond Group are dickheads' etc, as much as he might want to!

Little Shrimp wrote:The concern for me is if Derek leaves, it will probably be because of the unresolved ownership situation. In which case, I think it'd be very hard to attract candidates like Darrell Clarke and Michael Flynn. If the ownership situation gets resolved but Derek decides he still fancies a break or something, then I don't think that the likes of Clarke or Flynn would be unrealistic.

Basically it all hinges on resolving the ownership situation. If it is resolved soon, then I think it's pretty likely Derek will stay as I get the impression he has a strong relationship with the board and people around the club. I think the occasional bit of venting he's done in interviews is directed at the owners, although he obviously can't explicitly say 'Bond Group are dickheads' etc, as much as he might want to!

No.....but we can echo that sentiment that the Bond Group and Jason in particular are dick heads and hope that the EFL get their act together in the near future....assuming that all the necessary paper work has been provided and resolve the ownership fiasco before the close season.

IF DA decides he's had enough (and who can blame him) then I suspect that high on the list of managers under consideration will be former player and former manager at Crewe...Dave Artell...