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The crisis in refereeing

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:01 am
by fulwoodshrimp
We seem to have a growing crisis in refereeing with officials promoted to the league list who are nowhere near good enough. Yesterday's referee Sam Purkiss was one of those in my opinion. He was erratic, inconsistent and extremely card happy. In my view he should be still learning the trade in a local parks league. I also worry that some referees do not seem impartial in matches. Again in my opinion. Mr Purkiss seemed determined to help Colchester stay in the game, booking Shrimps players for relatively minor offences and ignoring similar or worse from Colchester players. The penalty awarded for hands was extremely harsh and I don't see what Songo could have done about it. I know nothing will be done about his abject performance but performances like his in my opinion taint the beautiful game and bring league football into disrepute.

Re: The crisis in refereeing

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:16 am
by Dublin Shrimp
You’re spot on there fulwoodshrimp

Re: The crisis in refereeing

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:57 am
by Hodgie1978
If we appeal the red do we have to prove it wasn't a red? or do they have to prove it was red?

Re: The crisis in refereeing

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:49 pm
by Keith
Hodgie1978 wrote:If we appeal the red do we have to prove it wasn't a red? or do they have to prove it was red?


I think we have to demonstrate that it was an error. Very difficult for us to do, as if it is 50:50, they will always support the officials. It needs to be about 70:30 in our favour for us to win an appeal. If the linesman says Connolly kicked out, after the camera had moved, then we lose, automatically. :cry: :cry: :cry:

Re: The crisis in refereeing

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:53 pm
by Keith
fulwoodshrimp wrote:We seem to have a growing crisis in refereeing with officials promoted to the league list who are nowhere near good enough.Yesterday's referee Sam Purkiss was one of those in my opinion. He was erratic, inconsistent and extremely card happy. In my view he should be still learning the trade in a local parks league...


Unfortunately, it is simply down to a lack of numbers. If we dump Colchester's MotM out of the Football League, who do we replace him with? We need a much better career route for refs in England.

Re: The crisis in refereeing

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:11 am
by Old Man Kensey
Keith wrote:
fulwoodshrimp wrote:We seem to have a growing crisis in refereeing with officials promoted to the league list who are nowhere near good enough.Yesterday's referee Sam Purkiss was one of those in my opinion. He was erratic, inconsistent and extremely card happy. In my view he should be still learning the trade in a local parks league...


Unfortunately, it is simply down to a lack of numbers. If we dump Colchester's MotM out of the Football League, who do we replace him with? We need a much better career route for refs in England.


You would think they would run an annual recruitment campaign for retiring players. Surely having people that have played the game, even at National League level, would be of advantage.

Re: The crisis in refereeing

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:13 pm
by black morse
Old Man Kensey wrote:
You would think they would run an annual recruitment campaign for retiring players. Surely having people that have played the game, even at National League level, would be of advantage.


Are there any league refs who have been professional footballers?

Re: The crisis in refereeing

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:45 pm
by Old Man Kensey
black morse wrote:
Old Man Kensey wrote:
You would think they would run an annual recruitment campaign for retiring players. Surely having people that have played the game, even at National League level, would be of advantage.


Are there any league refs who have been professional footballers?


https://www.tntsports.co.uk/football/pr ... tory.shtml

It would appear not.
Why hasn't this been a thing for years, there must be a number of footballers who retire and would like to stay involved in the game or simply need a job.

Re: The crisis in refereeing

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:29 pm
by black morse
Old Man Kensey wrote:
black morse wrote:
Old Man Kensey wrote:
You would think they would run an annual recruitment campaign for retiring players. Surely having people that have played the game, even at National League level, would be of advantage.


Are there any league refs who have been professional footballers?


https://www.tntsports.co.uk/football/pr ... tory.shtml

It would appear not.
Why hasn't this been a thing for years, there must be a number of footballers who retire and would like to stay involved in the game or simply need a job.


There must surely be a reason. Risk of bias for or against previous clubs ?

Re: The crisis in refereeing

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:42 pm
by Old Man Kensey
It's not really any different to a referee who supports a side. You just hope they would/will be professional.

Re: The crisis in refereeing

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 5:31 pm
by Keith
Old Man Kensey wrote:You would think they would run an annual recruitment campaign for retiring players. Surely having people that have played the game, even at National League level, would be of advantage.


Alternatively, but on a similar vein, recruitment of young players who don't make the grade as a professional footballer. How many lads from [for example] our academy, don't make it as a professional? Some may end up playing at a part-time level (Conference North/South or lower), while others are lost to the game altogether. Recruit these ex-players. They'll be fit & healthy and have experience around the game. Some may prefer to drop in to lower non-League and dream of being picked up again later, but many could see refereeing as a new career option. Similarly, players with injuries that allow them to still run, but not risk 'contact', so have to stop playing. Some would psychologically not want to be involved, as it reminds them of what they lost, but others may welcome continuing a career in football.

Retiring players? Why do I keep imagining Kevin Ellison as a ref?!?!? :lol: :lol: :lol: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Re: The crisis in refereeing

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 5:36 pm
by black morse
Keith wrote:
Old Man Kensey wrote:You would think they would run an annual recruitment campaign for retiring players. Surely having people that have played the game, even at National League level, would be of advantage.


Alternatively, but on a similar vein, recruitment of young players who don't make the grade as a professional footballer. How many lads from [for example] our academy, don't make it as a professional? Some may end up playing at a part-time level (Conference North/South or lower), while others are lost to the game altogether. Recruit these ex-players. They'll be fit & healthy and have experience around the game. Some may prefer to drop in to lower non-League and dream of being picked up again later, but many could see refereeing as a new career option. Similarly, players with injuries that allow them to still run, but not risk 'contact', so have to stop playing. Some would psychologically not want to be involved, as it reminds them of what they lost, but others may welcome continuing a career in football.

Retiring players? Why do I keep imagining Kevin Ellison as a ref?!?!? :lol: :lol: :lol: :shock: :shock: :shock:


That crossed my mind too Keith :lol: :lol: