Shrimpsvoices

Isn't it about time that the entire loan market and it's rules received an in depth look and new rules are enforced...

As it stands at the moment ( as I understand it) a club can loan out one of its players to another club on a 12 month contract BUT that contract can be broken and the loanee returned to their parent club and immediately loaned out again after just 6 months.

If a club agree to a 12 month deal then they should honour that. After all in some cases a loan fee is payable based on a 12 month arrangement.

Clubs like ours suffer as they are not made aware until the loan approaches 6 months ( ) if the player will be recalled forcing the affected club to make prior arrangements to replace the individual(s) which the club may or may not complete a new loan agreement affecting the proposed loanee and his future development.

It looks as though we will be without the services of all our loan players forcing our club into seeking new arrangements with other clubs which could have an effect on our remaining season to date. It is of course possible that the influx of new players could have a positive outcome BUT if we have to replace up to 5 players in our case then that is questionable if the outcome going forward will be positive.

For me the entire arrangements and agreements between clubs should be revised and if a club agrees to loaning a player for 12 months then that should be honoured.

Discuss.

If you look at from the other side however:

The player still belongs to the parent club and is their asset. It would be prudent from the parent clubs point to check how the loan period is going after a period of time, say 6 months, and if not completely happy recall the the player. The player may be unhappy, not getting game time or the parent club may not believe the player is in the correct environment to progress. You wouldn't want one of our players to go out on loan for a season and just sit on the bench or be part of a toxic environment with no way of recalling them.

Loan players are never our own and cannot be treated as such.

Until the ownership issue is sorted and we can get more players under a contract with us, it won't get any better.

Agree with OMK and we are in no position to dictate anything, just hope we can find some replacements before its too late

Old Man Kensey wrote:The player still belongs to the parent club and is their asset. It would be prudent from the parent clubs point to check how the loan period is going after a period of time, say 6 months, and if not completely happy recall the the player. The player may be unhappy, not getting game time or the parent club may not believe the player is in the correct environment to progress. You wouldn't want one of our players to go out on loan for a season and just sit on the bench or be part of a toxic environment with no way of recalling them.

Loan players are never our own and cannot be treated as such.

Until the ownership issue is sorted and we can get more players under a contract with us, it won't get any better.

Exactly this, and, as is the case with King & Mellon, if their asset has improved enough, sending them somewhere else to potentially improve even more, or be tested in a tougher environment, is good for their player.

If a club only has one or two players on loan, it isn't too much of a disruption and can be planned for. Our problem is, having so many loan players at the same time. If we weren't in the mess we're currently in, we'd have lost one, perhaps two players at the most. Us being in a shambles is the issue, not the loan market.

A development in recent years seems to be the loan recall window within the January transfer window. Ged and a few others mentioned that the loan players could only be recalled after the 7th of Jan and before another date later in the month, the 22nd perhaps. Perhaps these are clauses we have put in the contracts after Adam Phillips was recalled at the last minute in our promotion season.

I'm not sure how water tight that is though as Walker and Connelly both left before this date, something we might have just agreed to in those cases.

Breach of contract?

I wonder if there's been a breach of contract with late payments where we have to pay part of their wages and so the parent clubs have recalled their player's ?

I very much doubt it and saying things like that on a public forum only starts bad rumours. IMO and I know no more than you, I think if a breach of contract has occurred with payments then a player could be recalled at any time. These recalls are because of a clause allowing a recall in January in the players interests and they will either make the 1st team or be moved on higher up the pyramid and although I hate this happening to us Michael has earned the right after a very good 1st half season to try and prove himself higher so thank you MM for the memorys

Perhaps we breached the contract by changing the manager they thought they were loaning to. Derek Adams has a strong reputation for developing loan players. Ged needs to prove himself in that department to the clubs we need to appeal to. I believe in Ged's ability and fingers crossed he'll recruit perfectly this month.

The club who loans out a player will undoubtedly have a recall clause, which I think is fine as the parent club holds the player’s registration. When a loan ends early, (less than the 12 month like the loans deals just ended), I would think the club who had brought the player in on loan would cease to have to continue having to pay any financial arrangements.
It is now down to the current manager to bring in new players and the type of player he brings in, for me is, Morecambe need to be able to deal with the second half of the season. I hope we can recruit the calibre of player that can cope with that.

Andy D wrote:Breach of contract?

I wonder if there's been a breach of contract with late payments where we have to pay part of their wages and so the parent clubs have recalled their player's ?

We haven’t failed to pay any wages since March 2023.

RapidShrimp wrote:

Andy D wrote:Breach of contract?

I wonder if there's been a breach of contract with late payments where we have to pay part of their wages and so the parent clubs have recalled their player's ?

We haven’t failed to pay any wages since March 2023.

Maybe not with wages paid direct to our own players, i.e. employers through our own payroll scheme.

But what about invoices raised by home clubs for the loan players?? They won't be on our payroll as they're employed by their home clubs so MFC will be getting invoiced for their agree share of wages costs. MFC are frequently late paying their other suppliers, so I'd not be surprised at all if they've been late paying their agreed share of wages to the loan players' home clubs.

I need to believe that our excellent BoDs do what they need to to pay loan players as when the terms of the contracts stipulate.

IF there are problems then let's direct any criticism to the person REALLY responsible for our current problems......JASON and THE BOND GROUP who are holding onto ownership in an attempt to get as much out of any sale as they can with little regard for the damage they are doing to the club and its reputation.

Surely they can see that their asking price is simply too high for any person or persons to take control.....

redrobo wrote:I need to believe that our excellent BoDs do what they need to to pay loan players as when the terms of the contracts stipulate.

IF there are problems then let's direct any criticism to the person REALLY responsible for our current problems......JASON and THE BOND GROUP who are holding onto ownership in an attempt to get as much out of any sale as they can with little regard for the damage they are doing to the club and its reputation.

Surely they can see that their asking price is simply too high for any person or persons to take control.....

How many times have we said this over the past months? I just don't see what Jason is trying to do. Yes he's obviously trying to get as much money as possible, that's understandable, but how does he think offers are going to improve unless the team moves on and up. I suppose that if we got in the playoffs someone might take a gamble on us getting promoted but that's clearly not going to happen without further investment. For God's sake sell at the best price you can get now Jason!

RapidShrimp wrote:We haven’t failed to pay any wages since March 2023.

I don't think that's the issue. It is the money that had to be deposited in a separate account (£125,000???) for wages, that the EFL required, has been used, and not replaced.

Keith wrote:

RapidShrimp wrote:We haven’t failed to pay any wages since March 2023.

I don't think that's the issue. It is the money that had to be deposited in a separate account (£125,000???) for wages, that the EFL required, has been used, and not replaced.

And may now use up some/all of the FA cup run money to replace it, rather than money being spent on new player wages.

Saul Fox-Akande is now on the First team squad page. The old adage still means something to me and with aged being involved with youngsters I would think he knows when a player is ready to step up. So as they say ‘If you’re good enough, you’re old enough’. He had a full game against Barrow and scored a goal, so must have impressed. It is something Morecambe has success in loaning good young players the last few years, why not look at our excellent U18s? Ged played a lot in the second half against Barrow in the Lancashire Senior Cup, so maybe that’s in his thinking.

Would you Adam and Eve it!
https://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/fo ... ms-future/

nobbyshrimp wrote:Would you Adam and Eve it!
https://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/fo ... ms-future/

Their manager admits Tom looks a much better player after being with us and playing 26 or so games.

Be interesting to see what happens.