Shrimpsvoices

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:07 pm**

Love 'em or hate'em. Nobody can say that tonights result as the first English team to win there in years was none other than some achievement.

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:21 pm**

Personally I was rooting for Porto, Villareal and any other minnows facing the Sky financed Mega Clubs who now inhabit the upper echelons of the Premiership.

Whilst England has this imbalance of the super rich clubs, it will continue to propagate generations of new football fans who worship the super rich from afar (in front of their TV screens). Grassroots football in this country will continue, but as an increasing irrelevance to a growing army of armchair fans and inevitably more lower league clubs will cease to exist.

So for me as a lifelong non-league and now lower FL fan you can stuff the likes of Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal et al because they are power and money obsessed giants who care only for themselves and wouldn't care a jot if the rest of the football community went to the wall.

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:37 pm**

I just wanted Porto to win, if people want to watch football in their own front room you shouldnt criticise them Burnely shrimp.

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:35 pm**

Christies Child wrote:Love 'em or hate'em. Nobody can say that tonights result as the first English team to win there in years was none other than some achievement.

Bollocks. That was just a statistic. Porto are crap. utd were always going to turn them over after they were crap at OT.

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:41 pm**

Number 1 wrote:
Christies Child wrote:Love 'em or hate'em. Nobody can say that tonights result as the first English team to win there in years was none other than some achievement.

Bollocks. That was just a statistic. Porto are crap. utd were always going to turn them over after they were crap at OT.

No mate, THAT'S bollocks. This wasn't a record set by accident. It was there because Portugese club s are notoriously difficult at home, if you don't want to give credit because you don'tlike them then maybe silence is the best way to demonstrate your indifference?
As for the other comments, I will never, ever understand how any Englishman can want a foreign team to beat an English one. Personally, i have a huge dislike for Liverpool, but I'd never want them to lose against a non-English team.

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:43 pm**

Number 1 wrote:
Christies Child wrote:Love 'em or hate'em. Nobody can say that tonights result as the first English team to win there in years was none other than some achievement.

Bollocks. That was just a statistic. Porto are crap. utd were always going to turn them over after they were crap at OT.

No team had to beat them to go through though. Until tonight! the other times were group
stages and first legs. (Richard Keys)

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:49 pm**

wijit wrote:
Number 1 wrote:
Christies Child wrote:Love 'em or hate'em. Nobody can say that tonights result as the first English team to win there in years was none other than some achievement.

Bollocks. That was just a statistic. Porto are crap. utd were always going to turn them over after they were crap at OT.

No mate, THAT'S bollocks. This wasn't a record set by accident. It was there because Portugese club s are notoriously difficult at home, if you don't want to give credit because you don'tlike them then maybe silence is the best way to demonstrate your indifference?
As for the other comments, I will never, ever understand how any Englishman can want a foreign team to beat an English one. Personally, i have a huge dislike for Liverpool, but I'd never want them to lose against a non-English team.

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:59 pm**

Uggghh!! I thought that was Wayne 'Zip It,TW*T' Rooney. :shock:

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:08 am**

Burnley Shrimp wrote: any other minnows facing the Sky financed Mega Clubs who now inhabit the upper echelons of the Premiership.

A sizable portion of their wealth comes from overseas rights to the Premier League as well as any cash from Sky. It's widely predicted that the sale of overseas rights will more or less match the domestic rights once the new deals have been finalised.

Further to that, the Champions League cash has distorted domestic competitions across Europe - look at the majority of the top flights, in each league there is at least two teams pretty much guaranteed Champions League cash season after season.

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:30 am**

Burnley Shrimp wrote:So for me as a lifelong non-league and now lower FL fan you can stuff the likes of Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal et al because they are power and money obsessed giants who care only for themselves and wouldn't care a jot if the rest of the football community went to the wall.

I think you'll find Man Utd have bailed us out in the past, including at least one lot of floodlights which they donated to us when we could barely afford to pay the electric bill, let alone replace lights.

As I've said before, I think that clubs like ours are gaining because the Premiership is becoming so expensive and out of touch with more and more fans 'discovering' local football. Hopefully some of the 'floating fans' who came last Friday and saw a cracking match will now come back. So often in the past, when we've had a good crowd, we played poorly, last week we entertained and won well.

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:34 am**

Keith wrote:
Burnley Shrimp wrote:So for me as a lifelong non-league and now lower FL fan you can stuff the likes of Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal et al because they are power and money obsessed giants who care only for themselves and wouldn't care a jot if the rest of the football community went to the wall.

I think you'll find Man Utd have bailed us out in the past, including at least one lot of floodlights which they donated to us when we could barely afford to pay the electric bill, let alone replace lights.
As I've said before, I think that clubs like ours are gaining because the Premiership is becoming so expensive and out of touch with more and more fans 'discovering' local football. Hopefully some of the 'floating fans' who came last Friday and saw a cracking match will now come back. So often in the past, when we've had a good crowd, we played poorly, last week we entertained and won well.

Which I understand are still in the area below the North Stand. I understood it was the intention to floodlit the area of the playing fields behind the Main Stand for evening training sessions of Youth teams and others.

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:43 am**

The title of this topic is enough to wind me up! :twisted:

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:25 am**

It amazes me how many people get really pissed even at the thought of Man Utd.

I can't for the life of me understand why they can annoy so many people. Is it because of their wealth or their ability to win trophies year in and year out?

Or, as I suspect, just sheer envy?

It may well be the usual British trait of wanting to put everybody down who is successful also being a factor.........

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:09 am**

There are floodlights to the rear of the main stand, for using on the Lancaster Road playing fields.

That's reason enough to move - to get rid of "Lancaster" from the address :lol:

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:12 am**

Christies Child wrote:It amazes me how many people get really pissed even at the thought of Man Utd.

I can't for the life of me understand why they can annoy so many people. Is it because of their wealth or their ability to win trophies year in and year out?

Or, as I suspect, just sheer envy?

It may well be the usual British trait of wanting to put everybody down who is successful also being a factor.........

ferguson is a tough man to like.

man u fans (especially those who call their team 'united' as if it's the only one!) are v. tough to like.

ronaldo is a great player, but really tough to like

ditto rooney.

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:17 am**

Christies Child wrote:It amazes me how many people get really pissed even at the thought of Man Utd.

I can't for the life of me understand why they can annoy so many people. Is it because of their wealth or their ability to win trophies year in and year out?

Or, as I suspect, just sheer envy?

It may well be the usual British trait of wanting to put everybody down who is successful also being a factor.........

i agree. i cant understand our society at times..

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:51 am**

I think all the top clubs generate a lot of envy, but they do have budgets large enough to have very large training academies and youth squads, of which they obviously keep the best talent, but sell and loan on a lot of well trained players, which helps the rest of league clubs who don't have the same scouting abilities.
Anyone on here ever heard of Michael Twiss?

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:54 pm**

Yeah we've heard of Twissy, but Twissy did the rounds after leaving Utd before arriving on our doorstep. Now what would really impress me would be Sir Alex sanctioning the loan of some of his brighter youth prospects to an old Utd stalwart by the name of Mcllroy. Now that would be impressive, but can anyone actually see it happening?

No thought not!

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:54 pm**

well why not Sir AF loans out loads or reserve/trainee players to lower league clubs?

all SM as to do is ask MU

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:53 pm**

I dont think people have a grudge against Man Utd. I dont have a grudge against the players or the manager.

Personally for me it is the arrogance of the fans. Someone said to me the other day that we now have a whole generation of young people who have chosen Man Utd because of success and dont know any different. You would realistically have to be over 20 years old to remember them as the perpetual bridesmaid.

Most football fans hope for success. A vast proportion of Utd fans expect it as their God given right, and have to be blunt, been spoiled.

I honestly would like to see a cap on wages, ticket prices and and foreign players at the top level and return the game to the average working class family. It would be great to geuinely wonder who was going to win the title, on nurtured talent, inspired signings and tactics. You would never see a Manager get a promotion from The Championship and have a genuine chance at the title as Brian Clough did.

I think that would benefit the game all the way down the pyramid and also benefit the National game by nurturing home grown talent at grass roots.

Maybe I am just getting old and hanker back to a long lost time. :cry:

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:02 pm**

[quote="Christies Child"]It amazes me how many people get really pissed even at the thought of Man Utd.

I can't for the life of me understand why they can annoy so many people. Is it because of their wealth or their ability to win trophies year in and year out?

Or, as I suspect, just sheer envy?

As Mark S states ..... it's arrogance. Even as a closet Man U fan you can't see that you've
answered your own question with the above reply. coupled with the fact that you had to open this topic in the 1st place!

Well done Arsenal or Chelsea anyone??

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:57 pm**

[quote][/quote]Personally for me it is the arrogance of the fans. Someone said to me the other day that we now have a whole generation of young people who have chosen Man Utd because of success and dont know any different. You would realistically have to be over 20 years old to remember them as the perpetual bridesmaid.

Most football fans hope for success. A vast proportion of Utd fans expect it as their God given right, and have to be blunt, been spoiled.

I honestly would like to see a cap on wages, ticket prices and and foreign players at the top level and return the game to the average working class family. It would be great to geuinely wonder who was going to win the title, on nurtured talent, inspired signings and tactics. You would never see a Manager get a promotion from The Championship and have a genuine chance at the title as Brian Clough did.

I think that would benefit the game all the way down the pyramid and also benefit the National game by nurturing home grown talent at grass roots.

I agree with most of what you say there Mark but as an old Man Utd fan ( who I supported from about 1966 and started going to O T when they got relegated) may I say that you would never be able to call arrogant ! I did and have always given credit where credit is due, yes I disliked Liverpool FC when they were winning everything and yes I was envious of them but never in those days did I want to see them lose when representing England in Europe. So we are not all arrogant :lol:

Posted: **Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:13 am**

Mark S wrote:Personally for me it is the arrogance of the fans. Someone said to me the other day that we now have a whole generation of young people who have chosen Man Utd because of success and dont know any different. You would realistically have to be over 20 years old to remember them as the perpetual bridesmaid.

'Twas ever thus. Before the Man Utd bandwaggon rolled in to town, kids were Liverpool fans because of their success. Before that, there were Leeds fans because of their success. The difference is that Man Utd managed to cement (at the expense of practically everyone else) their position at the top table, so unlike the transient success of Leeds United and the blip at a crucial moment in time for Liverpool, Man Utd have maintained a sustained position.

But I disagree that it is 'bad for the game', if anything, I think it has been very good for the only club I care about. When I was growing up I was surrounded by Leeds, Liverpool, Man Utd and a few West Ham fans. There was even an odd lad a few years older than me who lived at the end of my street who supported Chelsea. There were very few Morecambe fans among my peers. Now, you drive around Morecambe and it is great to see kids in replica Morecambe shirts. They wear them with pride, something that could never happen when I was at school. I would guess that almost every one of them has a 'second team' in the Premiership, disproportionately Man Utd but the team they *really* care about is Morecambe. There is also a healthy section of young adults coming through. Late teenagers, who two or three decades ago would have gone to Manchester, Liverpool, London or Leeds to watch football but now, are Morecambe fans who would only travel to Manchester if we are playing Stockport!

There are a great many reasons why Morecambe Football Club has grown and been successful. One of those reasons is the inaccessibility of live football to the average working man. Long may that continue... come on United!

Posted: **Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:28 am**

Keith wrote:Before that, there were Leeds fans because of their success

Talking of Leeds, their fans are trying to claim the European Cup

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 69034.html

Posted: **Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:13 pm**

Christies Child wrote:It amazes me how many people get really pissed even at the thought of Man Utd.

I can't for the life of me understand why they can annoy so many people. Is it because of their wealth or their ability to win trophies year in and year out?

Or, as I suspect, just sheer envy?

It may well be the usual British trait of wanting to put everybody down who is successful also being a factor.........

I hate Man U with a passion, always have always will. It's ingrained.

I'm 31 and although i may support Morecambe now, there will always be a little bit of my heart that belongs to Liverpool and always will.

My Dad supported Liverpool when Phil Taylor was manager so i basically had no choice. Everton were the biggest team in Merseyside then. And Forest, Everton, and countless others were more successful than that lot at Salford ever were.

I hate their fans, and i have many people i class as friends who support them. They were strangely reluctant to pick up their phone a couple of weeks ago.

I hate Alex Ferguson. He must be the only manager in the country that seems to have a camera on him when their teams scores, the only knighted person that the press are almost instructed to call Sir every time they talk about him. He is a good manager not a great manager. Great managers have tactics and don't have to rely on biased refs, linesmen, FA officials.

They always have and always will have the most overrated footballers:

Ronaldo
Cantona
Giggs
Keane
Bryan 'chuffin' Robson. Captain Marvel my arse.

The only 2 decent things to come out of United are Sammy and Twissy, but i can say that cos Liverpool had Mark Wright and Mark Lawrenson. So it balances.

I never want Morecambe to play Liverpool, it would be too weird.

But if we played United. Grrr and roarrr and that.

Hate United. Hate 'em, hate 'em, hate 'em.

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