University Research: Football Security After Stade de France

[theacademic]

Dear all,

In the wake of the terrorist attack on the Stade de France during the recent France versus Germany international match, I would appreciate a few minutes of your time to hear your thoughts on how this will impact on security at football matches in the UK:

https://lboro.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/paris ... t-football

Thank you in advance.

[George Dawes]

i'm concerned, we have let nearly 500 Jihadists re-enter back into the UK after fighting in Iraq and Syria.

Whom are all potential suicide bombers who will look for large numbers of people gathering.

[Keith]

You know, we're not lab-rats for your research. You've posted four times on the forum, the first three was with regard to Women in Sport research.

How about an introduction? Who you are? Where you are studying? What is the course? Are you going to share the results of your research?

I've not completed the survey, if other people want to that's fine. If there is a decent response I may reconsider and do it another time, if I've nothing better to do with my sad life!

While this one is remaining open, a third 'research' request in the future will be viewed as SPAM.

[Keith]

i'm concerned...

...all potential suicide bombers who will look for large numbers of people gathering.

You shouldn't be concerned, you're a Morecambe fan, we don't have large numbers of people gathering!

[George Dawes]

i'm concerned...

...all potential suicide bombers who will look for large numbers of people gathering.

You shouldn't be concerned, you're a Morecambe fan, we don't have large numbers of people gathering!

typical by you, i've got Family and Friends down London, and all over the UK...

[Keith]

i'm concerned...

...all potential suicide bombers who will look for large numbers of people gathering.

You shouldn't be concerned, you're a Morecambe fan, we don't have large numbers of people gathering!

typical by you, i've got Family and Friends down London, and all over the UK...

Yup, typical by me.

I'm not going to become terrified of my own shadow because there are lunatics who are prepared to kill themselves and others because of their belief in Father Christmas & the Tooth Fairy.

I take it you worry all the time that your family & friends in London and all over the UK, will die in a road traffic accident? 2175 people died on British roads last year. On average, 42 per week. By Thursday of next week, the same number of people will have died on UK roads since the Paris attacks as died during them.

Of course what happened was dreadful (as it was in Beirut the day before) but who should you be worried about? The lunatic terrorist or the tired lorry driver, or the drunk driver?

[George Dawes]

Poor counter argument, obviously the Government and Intelligence Service and ordinary everyday people don't share your view Keith.

after the Paris attacks, it may soon be compulsory for all FL grounds to have airport style security, including Morecambe FC, and it won't be cheap.

[Seasider9601]

You know, we're not lab-rats for your research. You've posted four times on the forum, the first three was with regard to Women in Sport research.

How about an introduction? Who you are? Where you are studying? What is the course? Are you going to share the results of your research?

I've not completed the survey, if other people want to that's fine. If there is a decent response I may reconsider and do it another time, if I've nothing better to do with my sad life!

While this one is remaining open, a third 'research' request in the future will be viewed as SPAM.

Same question posed on the Barrovian message board too

http://www.barrowafc.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23291

[Westgate Wanderer]

Same question posed on the Barrovian message board too

did you research this?

[Keith]

Similar response too!

You know, we're not lab-rats for your research... Are you going to share the results of your research?

No because everytime one of you lot come on here asking for responses you never post the results.

Poor counter argument, obviously the Government and Intelligence Service and ordinary everyday people don't share your view Keith.

after the Paris attacks, it may soon be compulsory for all FL grounds to have airport style security, including Morecambe FC, and it won't be cheap.

Poor counter argument why? Because it is true? But the media & government don't want us to think differently do they? In the same way as why in the US, when a white supremacist gun-nut opened fire in a black congregation church, he was mentally ill not a "terrorist", or three people killed at a family planning clinic last week by a white gun-nut, he was mentally ill, not a "terrorist". If either of these murderers had been a Muslim male would the media have dealt with it the same?

You are probably right, we probably will have that type of expensive security. But then the lunatics will blow themselves up in Tesco or at a cricket match or a bus station or...

So we can be "terrified" of going outside our own homes, (which is kind of what the lunatics want) or get on with it. And we can put it in context too, the chances of it happening are minuscule, especially when compared to real risk.

[SolentShrimp]

Stade de France got away relatively lightly.
Had the casualty toll been significantly higher, which it could easily have been, then who knows?
If it had been at Wembley or any big ground in England, Scotland, or Wales, then who knows the repocussions?
If we're not careful then watch this space.

[Keith]

If we're not careful then watch this space.

But careful of 'what'? Sadly, it will almost certainly happen at some point. As the IRA said post Brighton when they narrowly missed murdering Margret Thatcher, "we only need to be lucky once, you need to be lucky every time". These murdering scum will eventually be successful in carrying out an atrocity in Britain. It might be a plane, or a suicide bomber in a crowded area. A shopping centre or a football match. And it will be an awful event. But, the chances of being caught up in it are less than the chances of winning the lottery jackpot. None of us seriously EXPECTS to win the lottery jackpot, so we shouldn't be too concerned about the terrorist threats. Otherwise, the terrorists win.

Being "careful" is likely to lead to ever more controlling measures from the government. Ironically, the type of government that the lunatics would like in the first place. The chances of being caught up in a terrorist attack in North Korea are practically nil, but we wouldn't want to live under such an oppressive regime. It might be 'safe' from attack, but you certainly would miss being free.

[George Dawes]

not everyone buys a ticket for the lottery, and you will get hot spots and areas where your chances increase substantially, of being caught up in it.


they say it takes up to 20/30 surveillance staff to follow just one suspect 24/7 X 500 Jihadists = £££,£££,£££ a year in wages, equipment etc.


Keith why can't you justify blocking and refusing entry of these horrible murdering scumbags? what have been out there beheading people and burning people alive amputating people and cutting body parts off people?


its like having 500 Animals like Peter Sutcliffe's(Yorkshire Ripper) on our streets.

[shrimpnsave]

not everyone buys a ticket for the lottery, and you will get hot spots and areas where your chances increase substantially, of being caught up in it.


they say it takes up to 20/30 surveillance staff to follow just one suspect 24/7 X 500 Jihadists = £££,£££,£££ a year in wages, equipment etc.


Keith why can't you justify blocking and refusing entry of these horrible murdering scumbags? what have been out there beheading people and burning people alive amputating people and cutting body parts off people?


its like have 500 Animals like Peter Sutcliffe's(Yorkshire Ripper) on our streets.

It wont happen to me attitude but if

[Keith]

Keith why can't you justify blocking and refusing entry of these horrible murdering scumbags?

I would, if you can pick them out from the crowd.

How do you justify blocking and refusing entry to the innocent thousands who are trying to save themselves from the beheadings and other atrocities meted out by the murdering scumbags?

[George Dawes]

I would, if you can pick them out from the crowd.

How do you justify blocking and refusing entry to the innocent thousands who are trying to save themselves from the beheadings and other atrocities meted out by the murdering scumbags?

all I wanted to know, of known one's with british citizenship re-entering.

and on your 2nd point, according to the news we(UK) are helping them in refugee camps first!

and for the record i'm totally AGAINST air strikes in Syria, I can't understand why we still haven't learned lessons from meddling in the middle east / north africa causing civil wars and mass stampedes of human beings.