VILLAGE!!!!

Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby thegentlegiant » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:57 pm

get your book out wrote:
thegentlegiant wrote:for the person who started the topic......What an idiot get a grip of yourself mate.
1. Cheerleaders do a great job on match days they lift the croud and for god sake they are only kids....I don't see you dancing around in the cold.

2. Christie absolutely love him think he is a croud pleaser not only do the kids love him we do too.

3. Open the box is due to change soon...Do you goto games if you did you would know this info.

4. We were voted frendliest and personally i am proud of that fact.

5. If you booe your team your only gonna knock them more off balance and cause further problem. They deserved to be clapped for there 2nd half performance and their determination. Yes we played shit in the first half but never booe your own team it's a disgrace.

End of my rant!!! Thanks


what happended to freedom of speach? can someone not come on a voice a few concerns, unfounded or not without being subject to foul language, especially from a 'gentle giant'.



Well he needs to think about what he says 1st and i am sure most people would agree with everything i have said!! Yes language of that nature is not necessery but that's how a felt at the time of reading his post.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby get your book out » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:26 pm

thegentlegiant wrote:
get your book out wrote:
thegentlegiant wrote:3 words for the person who started the topic......What a w**ker.

1. Cheerleaders do a great job on match days they lift the croud and for god sake they are only kids....I don't see you dancing around in the cold.

2. Christie absolutely love him think he is a croud pleaser not only do the kids love him we do too.

3. Open the box is due to change soon...Do you goto games if you did you would know this info.

4. We were voted frendliest and personally i am proud of that fact.

5. If you booe your team your only gonna knock them more off balance and cause further problem. They deserved to be clapped for there 2nd half performance and their determination. Yes we played shit in the first half but never booe your own team it's a disgrace.

End of my rant!!! Thanks


what happended to freedom of speach? can someone not come on a voice a few concerns, unfounded or not without being subject to foul language, especially from a 'gentle giant'.



Well he needs to think about what he says 1st and i am sure most people would agree with everything i have said!! Yes language of that nature is not necessery but that's how a felt at the time of reading his post.


doesnt matter how many people agree with you, unpopular opinions have the right to be heard and not subjected to the tiriny of the majority. better to take a deep breath and calm down before posting if necessary as language like that is inappropriate as kids might be reading as we are a 'family club' as several people have mentioned.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby thegentlegiant » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:44 pm

I have now edited my post as someone found that is was offensive....no harm done... :twisted:
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby Aspers » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:26 am

A couple of seasons ago there was a mini bus crash on the Motorway,
They were all football fans returning home from an away match to watch their not 'very fashionable' side.

I was absolutely devastated and I didn't know any of them.
May our visiting supporters have many a safe journey home and may they come back time and time again.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby campdave » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:25 am

get your book out wrote:
what happended to freedom of speach?


There's no such thing as "freedom of speech" on a private messageboard. That's why there are moderators.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby DYN6MITE66 » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:18 pm

Embargo springs to mind, lack of fans, lack of money because of dicks like you who dont let people make a fair comment and you struggle to have a decent debate. Obviously something needs to change in order to attract the fans to make the money to make transfers. Can start with fans attitude to genuine people making genuine comments.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby DTSJim » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:16 pm

The majority are entitled to free speech as well you know.

Just because people are agreeing that the guy is wrong doesn't mean that he has to change his mind.

Genuine people can make comments, genuine people can disagree. Get off your high horse.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby get your book out » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:37 pm

campdave wrote:
get your book out wrote:
what happended to freedom of speach?


There's no such thing as "freedom of speech" on a private messageboard. That's why there are moderators.


no i believe the moderaters are there to make sure there are no comments which are offensive eg racist, homophobic, inpropreate use of language, not to censor peoples honest comments they dont agree with
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby campdave » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:00 pm

get your book out wrote:
no i believe the moderaters are there to make sure there are no comments which are offensive eg racist, homophobic, inpropreate use of language, not to censor peoples honest comments they dont agree with


I've never seen them do that. Have you? You're also agreeing that there isn't true "freedom of speech" with your statement.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby get your book out » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:50 pm

campdave wrote:
get your book out wrote:
no i believe the moderaters are there to make sure there are no comments which are offensive eg racist, homophobic, inpropreate use of language, not to censor peoples honest comments they dont agree with


I've never seen them do that. Have you? You're also agreeing that there isn't true "freedom of speech" with your statement.


did i say i agreeded with it?
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby campdave » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:15 pm

get your book out wrote:
did i say i agreeded with it?


you didn't express an opinion in either direction, and I'm not a mind reader. Sorry.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby thegentlegiant » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:11 pm

a debate is when one says something that another disagrees. I on that hand strongly disagreed with comments stated therefore providing a debate if I am wrong to do so maybe I am on the wrong message board.

I always remain positive about MFC and you will never hear me say a bad word about the club..I feel the club are doing everything possible to ensure the stabilty of the club long term.

Today shows that we are on the right steps and the club is moving forward.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby RedRedWine1 » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:39 pm

I agree GYBO, no need for the personal abuse. IMO there are many faults with he original posters arguments and opinions, some of which I'm sure he/she will now feel differently about after today's announcements. However they are still his/her opinions, though you might not agree you must respect that.

The art of debating is putting forward a clear, cohesive, logical and persuasive argument yourself based on facts (read memoirs of 'Posh', fourth volume, he's the master-debater on here). Swearing at somebody, trotting out more unfactual opinions, a change of tact and consistency over the swearing, and then getting all emotional when pulled up on it, isn't the best form of the interaction that you've defined. Chuck. ;)

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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby Trinity » Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:25 am

no i believe the moderaters are there to make sure there are no comments which are offensive eg racist, homophobic, inpropreate use of language, not to censor peoples honest comments they dont agree with


Acts of moderation on a professionally run website should comply with the rules of the game (i.e the terms when you ragree to register). Any non compliance with those terms deserves admin/mod action. But of course as myself and Truth have discovered this is not a professionally run website.

Freedom to express an opinion and state facts on this site is clearly not allowed unless you go with the flow/sheeple as Truth discovered and also I have with locked threads and edited posts.

Truth is still waiting for an explanation of why he had his access removed from this site Keith.
What term was he non compliant with?

Of course its gatekeeping the truth journalism... some stuff removed
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The art of debating is putting forward a clear, cohesive, logical and persuasive argument yourself based on facts (read memoirs of 'Posh', fourth volume, he's the master-debater on here


Dont you mean Mr Gibson, master politician and Secretary of the Lancaster labour party... some more stuff removed

This site is getting a bad reputation in the Town and like the Visitor its circulation is dwindling- the people of the Lancaster & Morecambe district are not stupid, they are beginning to work out whats going on here.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby marky » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:23 am

Mr. Trinity, I can assure you I don't tow the shrimpsvoices line but I'm still here. As for shrimpsvoices' reputation, I very much doubt the vast majority of Morecambrians know of or even care about the forum! May I ask, will you ever post about something that isn't either a) an attack on the way the forum is moderated, b) conspiracy theories about the council, c) conspiracy theories about the local media or d) personal attacks on prominent members of said media? How's about the football, which is what this forum is actually here for?
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby Keith » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:47 am

Trinity wrote:Truth is still waiting for an explanation of why he had his access removed from this site Keith.
What term was he non compliant with?


Really Sue, that's very odd. Perhaps your e-mail isn't working because I responded to you at 2:09pm on the 16th January. Perhaps you should check your e-mail again to make sure you didn't get it? As there is clearly a problem with your e-mail, I'm sure you will excuse me repeating it here, then you can point it out to Stephen so that he is also clear?

Hello Sue,

It's not my intention to get in to a protracted debate but I am happy to respond to you at this point, with the intention of clarifying our position.

The simple answer to your question asking "does site admin and your mod team not respect freedom of speech?" is quite simply, 'no'. The message board has never purported to respect freedom of speech. We have in the past suggested "a benevolent dictatorship" is a closer way of understanding the message board moderators. While we have said that slightly tongue in cheek, the point is that we are first and foremost a forum to talk about Morecambe Football Club. We do have off topic debates but at times a decision is taken that the debate has gone far enough. Usually there are one of four reasons for a thread to be locked.

1. It has become repetitive, usually two or more people have become entrenched in opposite camps and are simply going over the same old ground. "Boring" is another word for it.
2. It has become personal.
3. It has potentially become libellous or looks like it may head in that direction.
4. It is potentially damaging to the club.

The reason for banning people is that they have decided their 'freedom of speech' means that they can ignore our rules and guidance. As I recall, (I haven't gone back to check) 'Truth' was repeatedly told not to bring Glen Cooper's professionalism in to the debate. We weren't prepared to have a fellow Morecambe fan's professionalism questioned in a public forum in which he didn't have a position to reply. I think it was in that thread that I suggested the press complaints commission would be an appropriate vehicle. There were other warnings that went unheeded. Your husband never posted in threads about Morecambe FC, only the political ones.

You may want to set up a 'free for all' forum in which you do not moderate it and allow people complete 'freedom of speech'. I am happy to suggest reasonably priced hosting and advice if required, on how to set the forum up. I will even be happy for you to post on Shrimpsvoices linking to your new forum. It will be interesting to see what happens when you receive phone calls from the council and police as we have, regarding certain posts and suggesting 'libel'. You can then make your own decision as the site owner, whether to take on the council and fight for your 'freedom of speech' or to take the easiest and much cheaper route? If you and your husband have pockets deep enough and the moral high ground to take a decision to fight on, good luck. However for us, moderating a message board that is supposed to be about Morecambe Football Club, we will continue to take a pragmatic view, if that upsets some people, so be it, we will return the money they paid to join Shrimpsvoices.

Finally, it is a shame that your husband and child no longer go to Morecambe FC on the basis of a perceived slight on an un-official forum. Shrimpsvoices is in no way connected to the club, they have no say in the running of the site. Indeed a club officials remarks recently in the match day programme suggest quite strongly that the club would rather it wasn't there at all (you see, no one likes us!) That the locking of a thread and banning of a poster have led to the club losing money actually vindicates the position taken by some moderators that we should lock non-football related threads even earlier. Freedom of speech? No such thing, it all costs, one way or another.

Kind regards, Keith


Trinity wrote:Acts of moderation on a professionally run website should comply with the rules of the game (i.e the terms when you ragree to register). Any non compliance with those terms deserves admin/mod action. But of course as myself and Truth have discovered this is not a professionally run website.

Freedom to express an opinion and state facts on this site is clearly not allowed unless you go with the flow/sheeple as Truth discovered and also I have with locked threads and edited posts.


"professionally run"? Who ever gave you such an idea? Many hours of unpaid time spent clearing up on here suggests quite the opposite, it is truly amateur!
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=amateur
1. a person who engages in a study, sport, or other activity for pleasure rather than for financial benefit or professional reasons. Compare professional.


I am sorry that you didn't receive the e-mail that I posted to you because I'm sure that if you'd had the chance to read it before tonight, you would have noticed the bit about not using this forum to attack Mr Cooper's professionalism, which would have saved you the time it took to type it and me the time it took to edit your post. This simple understanding regarding how things work around here may have caused you less stress or indeed, paranoia?

The offer still stands that I will support you to set up your own forum that you can then be responsible for, at your own cost and that we will even provide a link for you from this forum.

*tsk* if only they could make e-mail more reliable, all of this could have been avoided... you don't think they are spiking your e-mails do you?
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby Aspers » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:57 am

Wow Keith what a brilliant reply.
Did you see what i did :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby Gnasher » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:12 am

I will add an offer of my technical experience running forums to help t&t set up their own forum.

It doesn't have to be a forum, maybe just a web site or even a blog. Help & advice freely available to set whatever up.

No excuses not to do it now.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby Trinity » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:49 am

So that independent readers and the local public can understand whats going on here this is my e mail sent to Keith which of course he fails to disclose:-

Dear Mr Keith Fitton,

Sorry no I did not mean to e mail you, my error! I could not resist your invitation to communicate so here goes:-

Does site admin and your mod team not respect freedom of speech?

Why was the thread O/T The dome locked? Mod Mark S statement on that thread is totally incorrect. Trinity and Truth are not the same person but we do help and support each other. I see your turning a blind eye to the Truth/Trinity thread

"Truth",my hubby was not able to log in after the "O/T We;ll fight them on the Prom thread" Why is that Keith? Has he been banned from the website if so what for?
Morecambe FC are the losers for that action Keith because he has not be payed any of his hard earned cash over the turnstiles at Christie Park for his and the lads entry since.

We both have read the terms and conditions of the site and cannot see were we have not been compliant, unlike the mafia/mobsters on the site with their huge egos..

Have you ever had an editor of a newspaper print a letter in the newspaper from an anonymous writer which slags your performance at work without any evidence.
Well thats exactly what the honourable Glen Cooper (shrimper) did without providing my hubby with adequate space to respond and substantiate his whistlebowing allegations when a public servant at the Town Hall. . When asked to provide the name of the writer he refused to do so. Of course if you write a letter which is anti authority Mr Coopers defence is he wont publishit because its libellous (funny that because Mark S uses that old chestnut in his blog) even though its the truth However when its just a ratepayer and he/she is not a pillar of socety that doesnt apply.

I'm proud of what my husband did as a Council whistleblower. The district covered by Lancaster City Council and its residents deserve to know the whole truth of why Lancaster City consistently fails to deliver public accountability and badly performing services.

Look forwatd to your response.

Yours sincerely


BTW it got personal when the honourable editor of the Visitor, Mr Cooper decided to publish the letter.

Is this how you want the local press to treat whistleblowers who decide to act in the publics interests instead of their own?

Anyone care to tell us were we have been non compliant with the policy and T&C put on this when you register.

Of course those who control this site and the town have no respect for peace, truth or respect - shame on the lot of you.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby campdave » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:02 am

Trinity wrote:BTW it got personal when the honourable editor of the Visitor, Mr Cooper decided to publish the letter.


Wise up. If it happened in the Visitor, take it up with the Visitor and stop being pathetic.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby Gnasher » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:38 am

You agree that “Shrimpsvoices” have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should we see fit.


As for without providing my hubby with adequate space to respond, I wouldn't buy a paper with a 64 page letter in it :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby Freez » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:13 am

Conspiracy theorists! I love 'em.

Peter McGuigan is really from the planet "Whitby" and wants to take over the world starting with a spare plot of land on Westgate.

Honest, listen to me!

It's true.


Honest.


Oh, and Cooper is the right hand man of The Goat Of Mendes.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby Posh » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:24 am

Trinity wrote:Dont you mean Mr Gibson, master politician and Secretary of the Lancaster labour party... [i]some more stuff removed


Stephen I'm not Secretary of anything and haven't been for over three years. I've kind of given up.

Have you given up making crank calls and doing the silent phone treatment?

By the way I ended up changing my number but everytime we get a call with a dead line my wife thinks its you.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby Moose » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:03 am

Trinity wrote:Mr Coopers defence is he wont publishit


Not sure if there is just a space missing or a space and an extra couple of letters.
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Re: VILLAGE!!!!

Postby MorecambeMickey » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:46 am

Trinity wrote:Mr Coopers defence is he wont publishit


I would suggest that he is quite right in that defence. Apart from being frowned on in todays society, it would cause a frightful mess and I, for one would think twice before entering The Visitor office.
I learned the hard way, if you wish to avoid becoming a pariah (and being banned from Matalan) for the love of god don't publishit.
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