The R Word

[KenH]

Whereas Jim was picking up dog poo at the training ground and goes to midweek non-league games to spot talent, Sammy was retired when he stepped in for Jim Harvey and persuaded to stay. He was last in at training and first to leave, played head tennis and wound it up early so he could get off (hence the comments public and private from Shuker, Capaldi, Baker et al. He bought players from his mates and racked up big agent bills because he couldn't be arsed doing the legwork. Then when the mercenaries be bought got us nearly relegated he resigned because we wouldn't give him the money the next season. We'd have gone down if he'd stayed as he blew up at Stockport and Macc. Jim gives a toss and persuades players to join and works hard to get them. His powers may be waining but he's still a man who cares and I'd rather have that any day than someone who would bankrupt us.

No one doubts that Jim puts his heart and soul into the club and works hard. But, picking up dog poo himself shows a very poor management style as it infers he can't delegate to any of the other 51 football related staff working for the club! Working hard doesn't equal working efficiently or effectively. Don't forget Alan Sugar's joke about the blue fly banging it's head against the window - no doubt it was enthusiastic and working hard, but getting absolutely nowhere, and would have been far better flying away to try to find an open window! Yes, Sammy may have worked shorter days and got others to do work, but that's what management is all about. Delegation and efficiency.

[Christies Child]

No one outside of the Management team and the Board know exactly what the playing budget is at our club or for that matter at any other club...which is the way it should be.

The annual accounts show the total wage bill for the players but that can't be considered to be the actual playing budget because there are other things that are over and above wages in any budget.

We are not privy to the salaries of the management team and all the other assistants that provide valued support throughout the week let alone on match days ie Medical team....

Speculate by all means but it really is a pointless exercise.

[KenH]

No one outside of the Management team and the Board know exactly what the playing budget is at our club or for that matter at any other club...which is the way it should be.

The annual accounts show the total wage bill for the players but that can't be considered to be the actual playing budget because there are other things that are over and above wages in any budget.

We are not privy to the salaries of the management team and all the other assistants that provide valued support throughout the week let alone on match days ie Medical team....

Speculate by all means but it really is a pointless exercise.

I agree, but who are these extra 15 football related staff who have appeared over the last few years at a time when the playing squad numbers have fallen? Numbers increasing from 36 to 51 is quite a leap at a time of falling revenues and budgets.

[Shrimpy]

No one outside of the Management team and the Board know exactly what the playing budget is at our club or for that matter at any other club...which is the way it should be.

The annual accounts show the total wage bill for the players but that can't be considered to be the actual playing budget because there are other things that are over and above wages in any budget.

We are not privy to the salaries of the management team and all the other assistants that provide valued support throughout the week let alone on match days ie Medical team....

Speculate by all means but it really is a pointless exercise.

I agree, but who are these extra 15 football related staff who have appeared over the last few years at a time when the playing squad numbers have fallen? Numbers increasing from 36 to 51 is quite a leap at a time of falling revenues and budgets.

Youth academy staff I would imagine.

[Christies Child]

Could be wrong... but I think that the hospitality staff employed on a P/T basis on match days are now also included in the staff numbers for accounting purposes.

As for extra football related staff, I don't recall the extra staff being put under the heading of 'football related' staff at the last AGM.

[KenH]

Could be wrong... but I think that the hospitality staff employed on a P/T basis on match days are now also included in the staff numbers for accounting purposes.

Surely they'd be included under the separate heading of "hospitality staff" numbering 17 in the latest accounts, which is in addition to the 51 football/management staff. There are also a further 7 support and administrative staff and 1 club shop staff. So total is 76, 51 of which are football/management related. The part time staff are usually counted according to hours worked and converted into full time equivalents, so 17 hospitality staff could be 34 part timers working half a normal working week, or 68 part timers working a quarter of a normal working week. Pure "casuals", i.e. working just a couple of hours per week (such as stewards) wouldn't normally be counted at all.

[KenH]

Youth academy staff I would imagine.

Has that grown so much in the last couple of years? Over 15 staff - really? Is that a profitable venture or is it another loss making activity that's taking funds away from Jim's playing budget I wonder?

[Shrimpy]

Youth academy staff I would imagine.

Has that grown so much in the last couple of years? Over 15 staff - really? Is that a profitable venture or is it another loss making activity that's taking funds away from Jim's playing budget I wonder?

Fairly sure the current setup (With Drummy overseeing things, Neil Wainwright being involved etc) has only been around for a couple of years.

Think it was one of the first things Jim wanted to get sorted after taking over from Sammy as the youth setup was pretty much left to rot under him.

[Keith]

Speculate by all means but it really is a pointless exercise.

Could be wrong... but I think that the hospitality staff employed on a P/T basis on match days are now also included in the staff numbers for accounting purposes.

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[Posh]

No one doubts that Jim puts his heart and soul into the club and works hard. But, picking up dog poo himself shows a very poor management style as it infers he can't delegate to any of the other 51 football related staff working for the club! Working hard doesn't equal working efficiently or effectively. Don't forget Alan Sugar's joke about the blue fly banging it's head against the window - no doubt it was enthusiastic and working hard, but getting absolutely nowhere, and would have been far better flying away to try to find an open window! Yes, Sammy may have worked shorter days and got others to do work, but that's what management is all about. Delegation and efficiency.

Oh yeah, let's get the head chef down there to spend 10 mins clearing up dog poo.

What a load of drivel. No wonder the man can't win.

[mrpotatohead]

Well, thats classic shite of the highest order Ken, I'm sure you can back up your ''man management'' skills with a boring but true story of your own, but please don't bother.