o/t David Morris MP forcing through £30 disability cuts

[Keith]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 18556.html

No surprises that David Morris MP, the man who single handedly built the new M6 link road, has voted to make sure disability benefits are cut by £30 a week. The House of Lords wanted an impact assessment to be carried out before this was forced through but they were unable to stop the likes of David Morris taking food off the tables of disabled people. Apparently, starving disabled people makes them more likely to get a job. According to David Morris, that's how it works.

In other, totally unrelated news, David Morris claimed £75,915 in expenses for 2012/13, second only to the MP for The Shetland Islands.

[George Dawes]

Cameron recently sent 300 million in aid to Syria, do you think their now balancing the books at our expense?

priorities eh?

[Keith]

Cameron recently sent 300 million in aid to Syria, do you think their now balancing the books at our expense?

priorities eh?

Nothing to do with sending money to Syria. That's exactly the bullshit that's allowing them to get away with it. Try looking for a different target, like Viscount Rothermere, who is worth £1.37 billion but doesn't pay any tax in the UK. Or The Daily Mail, which also doesn't pay UK tax because of a complex ownership, whereby it isn't subject to UK taxation. Oh, and it is owned by... Viscount Rothermere.

But no, you stick with going after disabled people and Syrians that we've helped to bomb the hell out of.

[George Dawes]

But no, you stick with going after disabled people and Syrians that we've helped to bomb the hell out of.

Eh what the hell do you mean 'stick' not going after disabled people what so ever, just asking who comes first? knowing you would swerve a straight answer.

and i'm all for going after tax dodgers.

[Wild Bill]

What a self-serving creep Morris is. Didn't I read that he also maxed out his work credit card? £75K per year in expenses is shocking. As for voting through cuts to disability benefits, it shows he has no understanding whatsoever of the costs a disabled person might have just to live on the breadline.

[parceldave]

What a self-serving creep Morris is. Didn't I read that he also maxed out his work credit card? £75K per year in expenses is shocking. As for voting through cuts to disability benefits, it shows he has no understanding whatsoever of the costs a disabled person might have just to live on the breadline.

I don't think he will have any understanding about the cost of anything Bill if he is claiming 75k in expenses. Thats probably about 3 times the average wage for this area at a guess , obviously he hasn't taken advantage of the cheap fares on offer from Virgin Trains recently unlike some of his disciples .

[Posh]

But no, you stick with going after disabled people and Syrians that we've helped to bomb the hell out of.

Eh what the hell do you mean 'stick' not going after disabled people what so ever, just asking who comes first? knowing you would swerve a straight answer.

and i'm all for going after tax dodgers.

No one should come first. There shouldn't be a queue.

Your making it choice when there isn't one to be made. We should help the disabled and Syrians. Instead stop giving massive inheritance tax breaks to the rich, doing nothing about tax avoidance and spending £60 million of public money on a 'garden bridge' in London that will be closed for private parties.

[George Dawes]

and spending £60 million of public money on a 'garden bridge' in London that will be closed for private parties.

thats very good examle, things like this get me, and then thinkng of Cameron saying the 'where all in this together' speech,

[KenH]

It's the same from all politicians and throughout the public sector. Waste is endemic. Far too much is spent, so cutbacks are needed, and as usual, are made in the wrong areas.

Just take Bolton Le Sands library. Closed for 4 months last year for a complete refurb that must have cost hundreds of thousands of pounds. Six months later, they announce plans to close it down. Thing is, that this time last year, both Lab and Cons were promising big cuts in public spending, so the local council must have had a fair idea their budgets were going to be cut, but hey-ho, it's not their money, so they spent like no tomorrow on the library refurb. Muppets the lot of them.

[Posh]

Yes the public sector wastes money but that almost implies that the private sector doesn't or not to the same extent. I can give you hundreds of example of far greater wasted expenditure in the private sector. Here's just one. I worked for a U.S. stock market listed company who bought a business for $64 million and 12 months later wrote off $63.9 million of the cost because it was now virtually worthless. It was virtually worthless when they bought it too.

[KenH]

Yes the public sector wastes money but that almost implies that the private sector doesn't or not to the same extent.

No it doesn't imply that at all. I care about public sector waste/inefficiency because it impacts on services, taxation levels, debt that my kids will have to pay, etc. I couldn't give a toss about private sector waste because at least I have a choice in terms of who I buy stuff from and which investments I make. I have no doubt that the private sector wastes money, but that's irrelevant.

What you're saying is that it's OK to waste taxpayers money and for the public sector to be inefficient because it also happens in the private sector. That's a crazy argument. Following that argument, you'd think it was OK for me to murder someone because a neighbour murdered some one. Or that I can speed in my car because others do. Just because someone else does it, doesn't mean it's open season.

[morecambegeek]

What you're saying is that it's OK to waste taxpayers money and for the public sector to be inefficient because it also happens in the private sector. That's a crazy argument.

Except of course, he's not saying that and you're just trying to gain the upper hand in an argument on the internet. Hurray for you.

Ignoring waste, which is not defendable before you get back on your high horse, if the public sector was not topping up the private sector by subsidising unprofitable parts of privatised industry such as rural bus routes (a lot of people who voted for David Morris are going to be affected by these in the Lune Valley), topping up the wages of people working for the likes of Asda and Tesco through tax credits, the country would be in a better position.

Crying foul about public sector wastefulness is one small part of the argument, but people on the internet just want to vent and fume rather than form any form of coherent overall picture.

Too many people on facebook ranting about cuts would have been better getting off their fat arses and voting David Morris out of office last election than whinging now because their bin might be emptied every third week, when the country is cutting benefits of those not fit to work.

[Posh]

The premise was simply that people on the whole make decisions for the best possible reasons based on the information given to them. However in some cases those people don't have the skills, correct information or common sense to apply to the decision making process so in a minority of cases they go wrong. The problem is people who constantly pick on those minority of instances as if they're some how perfect.

[George Dawes]

Got to admire Sir Ian Duncan Smith quitting the tory party on this.

not always liked what he comes out with, but he can be straight talking.

and without gong off topic even once stuck up for Tony Blair on a live tv interview saying his party would have done the same and gone into Iraq, backing America up, thats why i dont hold Blair personaly responsable, he just happend to be PM at the time, what gets me even though we got it wrong big time we still haven't leaned any lessons with the Arab world.

[fulwoodshrimp]

I wonder if the furore over disability cuts is an attempt to take the focus off other budget decisions? As someone involved in education all my working life I am astounded at the decision to make all schools academies. The chief inspector of schools himself has complained about standards in some academy schools and yet now government is proposing to make all schools academies free of local authority involvement. Like the disability cuts these proposals have to be fought.

[Keith]

Got to admire Sir Ian Duncan Smith quitting the tory party on this.

not always liked what he comes out with, but he can be straight talking.

and without gong off topic even once stuck up for Tony Blair on a live tv interview saying his party would have done the same and gone into Iraq, backing America up, thats why i dont hold Blair personaly responsable, he just happend to be PM at the time, what gets me even though we got it wrong big time we still haven't leaned any lessons with the Arab world.

Call me a cynic but the resignation is nothing to do with the cuts to vulnerable people. He'd been merrily doing it for years and his fundamental beliefs are to protect the rich & screw the poor, they always have been. This is designed to inflict maximum damage on Cameron & Osbourne and to position himself firmly in the 'out' corner of the EU referendum.

[Phil Anderer]

Got to admire Sir Ian Duncan Smith quitting the tory party on this.

not always liked what he comes out with, but he can be straight talking.

and without gong off topic even once stuck up for Tony Blair on a live tv interview saying his party would have done the same and gone into Iraq, backing America up, thats why i dont hold Blair personaly responsable, he just happend to be PM at the time, what gets me even though we got it wrong big time we still haven't leaned any lessons with the Arab world.

Call me a cynic but the resignation is nothing to do with the cuts to vulnerable people. He'd been merrily doing it for years and his fundamental beliefs are to protect the rich & screw the poor, they always have been. This is designed to inflict maximum damage on Cameron & Osbourne and to position himself firmly in the 'out' corner of the EU referendum.

I was going to say pretty much the same Keith. He's hoping to damage Osbourne sufficiently to help a Eurosceptic Tory (perhaps Boris) take over from Cameron. It's all political manoeuvring.

[jbcshrimp]

This all sounds very similar to when ( for those old enough to remember ) Michael Heseltine forced Margaret Thatcher to resign over the poll tax fiasco. She ended up in the house of lords.

[George Dawes]

This all sounds very similar to when ( for those old enough to remember ) Michael Heseltine forced Margaret Thatcher to resign over the poll tax fiasco. She ended up in the house of lords.

i always think of him on Spitting image wearing that Army camouflage jacket

but David Owen and David Steel were the best double act, Awww David thats right David

should bring it back, they all need the piss taken out of them.

[Posh]

The biggest points in IDS's resignation letter were:

1. A clear statement that cuts to the working poor were being made for political and ideological reasons and not for the benefit of the economy. This is something many of us have been saying for a long time and won't change because IDS has stepped down.

2. That we're 'not all in it together'. From a bloke who lives in a mansion rent free, is married to a millionaire, fiddled his expenses, lied about his military record and inflicted appalling suffering on the poorest in society, this is really quite a telling statement.

It will only get worse because Osborne is fiddling the figures and hiding losses like the £22 billion on RBS.

[Phil Anderer]

The biggest points in IDS's resignation letter were:

1. A clear statement that cuts to the working poor were being made for political and ideological reasons and not for the benefit of the economy. This is something many of us have been saying for a long time and won't change because IDS has stepped down.

2. That we're 'not all in it together'. From a bloke who lives in a mansion rent free, is married to a millionaire, fiddled his expenses, lied about his military record and inflicted appalling suffering on the poorest in society, this is really quite a telling statement.

It will only get worse because Osborne is fiddling the figures and hiding losses like the £22 billion on RBS.

Posh, don't forget the real point is that IDS took the public mood, that he has absolutely no sympathy with, and used it to manufacture an excuse to leave his job and try to shaft his public school (former) pals. The nasty party are still the nasty party.

[Keith]

Posh, don't forget the real point is that IDS took the public mood, that he has absolutely no sympathy with, and used it to manufacture an excuse to leave his job and try to shaft his public school (former) pals. The nasty party are still the nasty party.

And position himself behind another of his public school pals. Playing the long game, he'll be back to shafting the poor as soon as he can.

If anything, IDS is even worse now than ever before. Previously, he was shafting the poor because that is what he believes in. I fundamentally oppose him on that, but he was doing what he was elected to do. Now he's abandoned his principles for political gain, so not only is he scum, but he's shallow, untrustworthy scum who will stab anyone in the back.

[George Dawes]

what have you lot got against people who've been to public schools, cant tar them all with the sane brush, its discriminating people.


Cyndi Lauper) cos i see you're true colors shining through

[Phil Anderer]

:roll: what have you lot got against people who've been to public schools, cant tar them all with the sane brush, its discriminating people.


Cyndi Lauper) cos i see you're true colors shining through

George, I certainly don't tar them all with the same brush. After all, former almost Olympic fencer, author, DJ, airline pilot and owner, and heavy metal hero Bruce Dickinson went to public school, and it doesn't stop me listening to Iron Maiden.

[Gone_Shrimping]

:roll: what have you lot got against people who've been to public schools, cant tar them all with the sane brush, its discriminating people.


Cyndi Lauper) cos i see you're true colors shining through

George, I certainly don't tar them all with the same brush. After all, former almost Olympic fencer, author, DJ, airline pilot and owner, and heavy metal hero Bruce Dickinson went to public school, and it doesn't stop me listening to Iron Maiden.

Yes , be shocking if people who have to make important decisions went to one of the best schools in the world