o/t David Morris MP forcing through £30 disability cuts

[Keith]

The tax exempt public school system is a way of maintaining the establishment. If everything else was equal & fair, I wouldn't be as bothered. But it isn't, so I am. It's all about keeping the plebs out of power and unable to move up socially. I'd rather our society was based upon ability rather than parenthood.

[Gone_Shrimping]

No-one really gets any say in where they go to school so why should people criticise them for it ?

Hopefully when the academy system is in full swing across the country then the standard of education will move upward rather than the levelling down since the introduction of comprehensives.

[George Dawes]

The tax exempt public school system is a way of maintaining the establishment. If everything else was equal & fair, I wouldn't be as bothered. But it isn't, so I am. It's all about keeping the plebs out of power and unable to move up socially. I'd rather our society was based upon ability rather than parenthood.

interesting point of view.

thing is a lot of Labour MPs have had this attitude in the past, right up to when they get voted into power, and then soon after send their own kids to these public schools... closet Tory's all-along.

[Keith]

I wouldn't try to abolish the public school system, because I do also believe in choice. But I would remove their charitable status and expect them to pay tax on their profits.

What I would do, is scrap tuition fees, making university education easier to access for people from disadvantaged backgrounds.

[SupermarketShrimp]

Got to admire Sir Ian Duncan Smith quitting the tory party on this.

not always liked what he comes out with, but he can be straight talking.

and without gong off topic even once stuck up for Tony Blair on a live tv interview saying his party would have done the same and gone into Iraq, backing America up, thats why i dont hold Blair personaly responsable, he just happend to be PM at the time, what gets me even though we got it wrong big time we still haven't leaned any lessons with the Arab world.

Call me a cynic but the resignation is nothing to do with the cuts to vulnerable people. He'd been merrily doing it for years and his fundamental beliefs are to protect the rich & screw the poor, they always have been. This is designed to inflict maximum damage on Cameron & Osbourne and to position himself firmly in the 'out' corner of the EU referendum.

Whereas that's a possibility, he did reform the benefit system which was completely snookered and raised the national wage up to £7.20 an hour, and helped make it incredibly hard to avoid paying the national minimum wage. He's also changed the working credits so work pays more than benefits.

He's reformed the disability benefits once, and wasn't willing to hammer them even more for tax relief on the middle class.

I think he's acted impeccably. It wouldn't surprise me if it was all a show and a sham but principally I think he's done the right thing.

[SupermarketShrimp]

I wouldn't try to abolish the public school system, because I do also believe in choice. But I would remove their charitable status and expect them to pay tax on their profits.

What I would do, is scrap tuition fees, making university education easier to access for people from disadvantaged backgrounds.

The only way that's possible is to significantly reduce the amount of university places.

Which may be no bad thing, but still.

[George Dawes]

I wouldn't try to abolish the public school system, because I do also believe in choice. But I would remove their charitable status and expect them to pay tax on their profits.

What I would do, is scrap tuition fees, making university education easier to access for people from disadvantaged backgrounds.

The only way that's possible is to significantly reduce the amount of university places.

Which may be no bad thing, but still.

they do pretty good student loans' to be fair.


also we have a lot of Chinese who like sending thier Children to study in the UK over anywhere else in the world with Universties, they spend a lot of money, need to keep good relations with our Asian Friends especially if we choose to exit the EU.

[Posh]

No-one really gets any say in where they go to school so why should people criticise them for it ?

Hopefully when the academy system is in full swing across the country then the standard of education will move upward rather than the levelling down since the introduction of comprehensives.

The case against academies is overwhelming and I've listed just a few examples below. However sadly, like the case for austerity and attacks on the poor, we've continued to believe the lies perpetuated by the Tory Party and the right wing press, until finally the myth is busted from someone inside Ian Duncan Smith. You continue to perpetuate the myth about comprehensive schooling yet all the evidence shows that the comprehensive system has performed no worse or no better than any other system.

As the pro-academies head of Ofsted has acknowledged:

"Last year alone 85 schools serving the most deprived communities in our society were judged to be providing outstanding education . . . let me be clear: the vast majority of these schools are not academies. They are simply schools with heads and staff focused on the right things, striving every day to provide the best possible education for their young people."

It doesn't need academies to change this, evidence proves it in fact makes them worse. So what do you do when the evidence is stacked against you? Remove the opposition. Change the head of Ofsted, get rid of senior civil servants opposed to academies, damage education through underfunding to force schools into academies and scrap parent governors so there is no dissent or community engagement. The Tories really are scum and their pursuit of ideological change in the face of all the evidence is corrupt, damaging and divisive.

A greater proportion of academy schools to local authority schools are deemed by Ofsted to be failing. The proportion of academies with the poorest performance level has risen in the last three years.

The cost to the public of academisation of secondary and public schools is estimated at £1/2 a billion. Money purely to support a political ideology and not a proven method of educational improvement. The impact on head teachers and their senior staff in transferring their school to an academy will have a significant negative impact on their pupil's education - and that's from a government commissioned report.

The Academy system that sees over £30 billion in public assets transferred to unaccountable organisations on ridiculously long leases for free. In theory Morecambe High School as an academy could sell all its land, transfer the money to the holding trust and shove in an offshore bank account with the public not seeing a penny.

In January, the Financial Times reported that eight academies in financial difficulty had been bailed out by a Department for Education quango over the past 18 months, at a cost to the taxpayer of almost £11m. "Civil servants are increasingly worried about the lack of close supervision and sustained support for the schools.

[KenH]

The Academy system that sees over £30 billion in public assets transferred to unaccountable organisations on ridiculously long leases for free. In theory Morecambe High School as an academy could sell all its land, transfer the money to the holding trust and shove in an offshore bank account with the public not seeing a penny.

That's a myth peddled all over the internet on various fora at the moment.

The freehold of the land remains in public ownership (local authority or govt). What has been "given" to each academy is a leasehold of the land at peppercorn rent, but the academy can't do as it wants with it, it can't sell it (the land is worthless to anyone else), it can only use it as a school. Any future sale of the land will need to be agreed by the LA/govt and the proceeds belong to the LA/govt. Basically, the LA/govt remain in control of what happens to the land!

In fact, it's just like Morecambe golf club. The council own the land. MGC have a long term lease to run it as a golf club - the annual rent, rather than a peppercorn, is a golf ball according to the original lease! MGC can't sell the land or do anything with it other than provide a golf club, except by agreement with the freehold owners, i.e. the council!

In fact, not much different to Christie Park. The land was given to the club under strict usage conditions, so they had to jump through hoops to be able to sell it, a condition of which was the land at Westgate which is now, again, under strict usage controls for the future.

[Keith]

So while Mr Morris is able to keep track of his £75,624.43 expenses, down to the last 43 pence, he struggles with keeping track of expenses enough to comply with the Representation of the People Act?

Could he have been elected illegally?

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/to ... ws-7467576
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/03/29/cons ... -election/

[George Dawes]

hmmmm, the Irony

1) them links the Conservatives are merely being accused, mainly by UKIP a party who you have Keith in political threads in the past mocked saying they don't have any other agenda than Borders,

Allegations of criminal conspiracy

UKIP has gone further. As The Canary previously reported, a Channel 4 News investigation unearthed evidence that the Conservatives overspent in three key by-elections they fought against UKIP. Since then, Channel 4 has found evidence that one of the 24 MPs covered in The Mirror‘s investigation, Craig Mackinlay, failed to declare at least £21,151 in expenses, including accommodation and campaign buses, in his general election campaign. Mackinlay ended up beating Nigel Farage by 2,812 votes in Thanet South.

2) The Daily Mirror is a anti right wing paper, so typical Daily Mail readers eh?


3) yeah lets get rid of SolentShrimp he just wants to argue with one sided with politics

[Keith]

:roll: hmmmm, the Irony

1) them links the Conservatives are merely being accused, mainly by UKIP a party who you have Keith in political threads in the past mocked saying they don't have any other agenda than Borders,

Sorry, I read that a few times and still don't understand your point? The Channel 4 News investigation was a good one, fair & thorough. Did it mean that UKIP should have won in Thanet? Yes, probably. Do I prefer the Tories to UKIP? Probably, by the most uncomfortable of margins. Do I think UKIP should have won Thanet? Yes, it would appear so.

Do I support democracy more than a political ideology? Yes.

I don't think David Morris is a good MP.
I didn't think Geraldine Smith was a good MP either.

If Labour had offered up a decent, local, candidate at the General Election, Mr Morris would probably have struggled. The candidate the Labour Party parachuted in, wasn't local enough and made it clear her roots would have remained in Manchester not Morecambe & Lunesdale.

[Keith]

Especially for Posh, and anyone else who needs 'academies' explaining to them... Jonathan Pie explains to a five year old...

[Keith]

So while Mr Morris is able to keep track of his £75,624.43 expenses, down to the last 43 pence, he struggles with keeping track of expenses enough to comply with the Representation of the People Act?

Could he have been elected illegally?

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/to ... ws-7467576
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/03/29/cons ... -election/

Channel 4 News mentioning Mr Morris this evening. He (along with the other 18 Tories involved) were invited on to the programme to be interviewed but he (along with the other 18 Tories involved) declined to do so.

Didn't know Mr Morris was shy?

[Joel Ninety]

He's at it again, all heart http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 01016.html

[black morse]

Keith - Can't you just allow Solent Shrimp back for this thread only?

[halfwayprawn]

Second that

[George Dawes]

i met David Morris in the Midland hotel last night, chatted to him about politics for a good hour.

I liked him at face value, talked to him about Morecambe and the empty shops, the motorway link road, Fracking whom we both are in favour of with the N/W being one of the richest areas in Europe and the reason why oil prices being so low with USA producing their own gas due to the success with Fracking.

was also talking about these Junior Docters and the NHS, I put my point to him about doing away with the health service and doing away with it, and people having a tax reduction and taking their own health insurance out like in Australia and USA, problem solved.

I felt he was open, but you can tell he's very career minded.

[Gone_Shrimping]

Second that

I 3rd that and not just for this thread but all threads.

Free speech and all that.

[Gone_Shrimping]

i met David Morris in the Midland hotel last night, chatted to him about politics for a good hour.

I liked him at face value, talked to him about Morecambe and the empty shops, the motorway link road, Fracking whom we both are in favour of with the N/W being one of the richest areas in Europe and the reason why oil prices being so low with USA producing their own gas due to the success with Fracking.

was also talking about these Junior Docters and the NHS, I put my point to him about doing away with the health service and doing away with it, and people having a tax reduction and taking their own health insurance out like in Australia and USA, problem solved.

I felt he was open, but you can tell he's very career minded.

I've emailed him on a number of matters and always had a prompt answer.

[Keith]

i met David Morris in the Midland hotel last night, chatted to him about politics for a good hour.

I liked him at face value, talked to him about Morecambe and the empty shops, the motorway link road, Fracking whom we both are in favour of with the N/W being one of the richest areas in Europe and the reason why oil prices being so low with USA producing their own gas due to the success with Fracking.

was also talking about these Junior Docters and the NHS, I put my point to him about doing away with the health service and doing away with it, and people having a tax reduction and taking their own health insurance out like in Australia and USA, problem solved.

I felt he was open, but you can tell he's very career minded.

He probably thought you were far too right wing for him...

[Keith]

Especially for Posh, and anyone else who needs 'academies' explaining to them... Jonathan Pie explains to a five year old...

Only just noticed that I missed the link out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vge5v5T718I

[George Dawes]

i met David Morris in the Midland hotel last night, chatted to him about politics for a good hour.

I liked him at face value, talked to him about Morecambe and the empty shops, the motorway link road, Fracking whom we both are in favour of with the N/W being one of the richest areas in Europe and the reason why oil prices being so low with USA producing their own gas due to the success with Fracking.

was also talking about these Junior Docters and the NHS, I put my point to him about doing away with the health service and doing away with it, and people having a tax reduction and taking their own health insurance out like in Australia and USA, problem solved.

I felt he was open, but you can tell he's very career minded.

He probably thought you were far too right wing for him...

nah, quite the opposite, compared to what others were saying to him, made me look like somebody who was prepared to listen, and respect the opinion of others.

problem with politics you have left and right both claiming to be middle of the road.

[seasonsinthesun]

He's at it again, all heart http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 01016.html

You have every right Joel Ninety to point out and disagree with the the way our local MP has voted on this particular issue.
My view on this is that in a free vote in the House of Commons David Morris is entitled to vote how he wishes, even if many people may disagree with him. This is the society we live in and this is one of the very reasons we should celebrate living in the UK.
Another example for me is Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader. I admit I was surprised that he was elected as Labour leader last September and thought it would be a disaster for Labour.
Now I think a little differently having followed his progress and how he has responded to events since then and I feel more positive about Labour's prospects.

[marky No.1]

David Morris PM? Still glad Cameron has gone?

http://m.thevisitor.co.uk/news/local/mo ... -1-7981075