Morecambe 0 Plymouth 2 Live PLAYER thread

[Shrimpman]

If Jimbo hadn't been a good player for us in the past
I bet 80 percent of fans would be calling for him to go weeks ago

some did but were shot down in flames by the Bentley is genius brigade! I know 2 longstanding fans who won't attend while he is still here. They are fed up with the dire football, lack of any entertainment due to so much negative play or hoofball! The "who would we get" question is always raised but i see every other team who sacks their manager quickly gets a replacement. There are plenty of out of work or wanting to break into management out there!! Loyalty is all very well but at some stage something has to give

Correct Mr.WW. I will return but not until changes are made.

[parkyboy]

but why are they out of work ,whats the point in taking someone else on at probably more money with no guarantee that the fans wont want him sacked at the end of next season

[Wild Bill]

Really poor yesterday. How many times do I have to say that? I am a season ticket holder and I have seen three league wins all season. Pathetic.

Without drastic changes in the summer we will lose TB, Miller and Devitt, arguably three of the most talented attacking players we have ever had. The service they are currently getting is very poor and you can see the frustration in their faces.

For me though our defense is an absolute shambles. You'd think Jim would be able to organise them better and teach them to attack balls better in the box. This should be happening at both ends of the pitch.

Without a new owner though I worry we will be stuck with what we have got (minus 2-3 of our best players from the current squad) and a serious relegation battle next season.

[black morse]

I too am beginning to think It's time for a change. I believe Jim has got the players to make a really good team (as proved early in the season) but he got cold feet with us letting in so many goals, switched back to the old defence comes first mode and things went to pieces. We've had the odd good performance (which shows it can be done by this team) but the players confidence is gone. An excellent example of that is Paz. MOTM several times last year but can't get into the team this year through poor performances.

As has been said many times before on SVs Jim has got a negative outlook. I thought he would change when he saw the damage it was having on the team (never mind the supporters). I now believe he can't change. Sadly it's time for him to go or we will only have one more season in the Football League. and not sure that our finances could stand the drop.

[slackAlice2]

It is pretty depressing. I made a return yesterday after a long lay off but regretted it soon into the game. You want to go and support your local team for all the right reasons , but who is going to keep paying good money to watch lacklustre and poor quality football.
Would the current management / players / staff pay £16 plus to watch a performance like yesterdays ?
The only entertaining thing for me was the folk around me going apoplectic about the sh*t passing and every refs decision that went against us. The ref got the first one wrong but you've just got to get on with it , like any sport, show some resilience and spirit.
After 38 games , your 18th and that well worn saying is correct 'the league doesn't lie'.

[Posh]

Big decisions went against us yesterday and it's fair for Jim to mention those as a reason for the outcome of the game. If they did have a player sent off with a few minutes gone then it could / should have been a very different game. If Barky's volley in the first 10 mins had gone a foot either side we'd have had a different game. And, as has been said, the Plymouth players intimidated the ref into changing his mind over the Kenyon tackle. We were fined for surrounding the ref at Oxford and they should get the same. Lastly Plymouth have five times our income and if people are blind to that fact then it makes it difficult to be objective.

However having said all that this is arguably the best squad we've had in the Football League, possibly bar our first season yet the sum of our parts is much worse than the individuals. That has to come down to the manager. Playing Molyneaux yesterday when he's been poor all season, probably on the basis that he 'runs about a lot', was a dreadful decision. The news yesterday that Andy Parrish is definitely leaving and didn't even make the bench is another awful decision when you see just how poor Edwards was yesterday, but he has his days and his up and down unlike Dugdale who is shockingly awful. Yet the decisions to buy Dugdale and put Edwards on a two year cost us the best defender of the three. Presumably we're looking to keep Chris 'Not Ready' Doyle who has been head and shoulders better than Edwards or Dugdale since he came into the side. I could go on but I'm starting to think that Jim and Ken's bunker mentality means we may never escape from the hole we find ourselves in. We're in a spiral of decline and I worry for the future.

[Christies Child]

What's the betting due to his friendship with Mck that the clown Dugdale is still with us next season Unless there is a much needed change in the management's style of negativity both on and off the field.

[Morecambe Jack]

Agree with that second paragraph Posh. The biggest thing for me is that nothing is changing. We could revisit a thread from February, January, December, November or October and it will be the same comments. Has Jim run out of ideas? Because a lot of people are certainly running out of patience watching the turd we get served up most weeks.

Plus we are weeks away from an absolute mauling at the hands of Accrington.

[Posh]

In the 'I could go on' from the above I am going on.

One thing that continues to surprise me is the absence of Wildig from the side. At the start of the season he linked up play really well and I thought he was one of the reasons we were doing so well. Presumably he's one of those that Jim thought weren't pulling their weight.

Also the first half tactics of playing on the break at home with our poor defence and trying to hit Barky with a long ball worked a couple of times with two great chances. However the array of over hit long balls showed it was also prone to failure and very limited.

Yet Plymouth had come into the game on a run of 1 win in 5. Teams had been getting at them and shown themselves vulnerable. Surely knowing their recent form getting at them from the off would have been a better tactic.

You may sense some frustration.

[Phil Anderer]

I'm actually utterly fed up with Jim's complaints about budget. The simple fact is he is one of the principle architects of the falling budget, due to the negative tactics he employs at home driving the fans away and the budget down. Something has to change, either Jim himself or he needs to make way for someone with a more entertaining approach to football. You can't keep making excuses when you're creating the problem you're using as an excuse.

[John L]

Another excuse I heard today was that some players arrived late for the game! shambles,are they not aware it is a bank holiday they should be given strict instructions to be extra early,very unprofessional this sums the club up at the moment

To be fair, the M6 seemed to be an absolute nightmare yesterday morning with the A6 not much better. Manchester/Merseyside based players stopping over only adds to costs we evidently struggle to cover.

[John L]

highlight of today was meeting Jack 'Pie Face' McDermott in the pub before the game

Mine was meeting Gary Johnson!

[jon MFC fan]

There is a rule in referees guide that the Plymouth team did [/quote] Harassment:
• Running towards the referee in an
aggressive manner.
• Players surrounding the referee to
protest a decision.
• Repeatedly asking questions about
decisions in an attempt to influence
the referee or undermine his/her
responsibilities.[/quote]

[Christies Child]

Do you? Straight answer please.

It gives me no pleasure in having to say this but it is time for a change. Preferably in the Assistant Manager who from his touchline performances seems to prefer the ball over the top but failing that then a complete change in managerial direction.

If I was any new owner looking to invest in our club I wouldn't feel happy about investing in new players with the current managment team in control.

Sad, very sad.

Maybe Telford will be looking for a new manager......

[bill ding]

highlight of today was meeting Jack 'Pie Face' McDermott in the pub before the game

Mine was meeting Gary Johnson!

Bouncy castle until they realized I was over 40 and they threw me off

Maybe turn the globe into a family fun park which we seem good at and play footy in the car park

[morecambegeek]

Do you? Straight answer please.

It gives me no pleasure in having to say this but it is time for a change. Preferably in the Assistant Manager who from his touchline performances seems to prefer the ball over the top but failing that then a complete change in managerial direction.

So we're back to you saying it's all Ken McKenna's fault?

[morecambegeek]

If Barky's volley in the first 10 mins had gone a foot either side we'd have had a different game.

To many if's and but's this season - if we created more chances, we wouldn't have to dwell on the ones that didn't go in from the handful we create.

[Phil Anderer]

Do you? Straight answer please.

It gives me no pleasure in having to say this but it is time for a change. Preferably in the Assistant Manager who from his touchline performances seems to prefer the ball over the top but failing that then a complete change in managerial direction.

If I was any new owner looking to invest in our club I wouldn't feel happy about investing in new players with the current managment team in control.

Sad, very sad.

Maybe Telford will be looking for a new manager......

Neil, if Jim isn't strong enough to overrule his assistant, he isn't strong enough to be manager. Therefore you have to assume he agrees.

[Christies Child]

I get no pleasure in having to say that it's time for a change. The club are about(hopefully) to start a new era ....maybe a new management team too.....

[Westgate Wanderer]

How the hell can you say sack the assistant manager?? It's the organ grinder that calls the tune!! They should both go asap. Ronnie Moore isn't busy and he's good at keepin teams up and has a similar accent!

[jona77]

To be honest you'd have to have a pretty blinkered outlook on the season to think anything but it's been well below average. As most posters have already said Jim has had a pretty good squad to choose from but his team selection,substitutes and formation have been wrong on too many occasions.

I hate to say this but it needs a complete overhaul of the club from top to bottom which some new owners can hopefully bring. Jim has to admit that he has been as directly responsible as anyone for the diminishing crowds for the crap that's been served up over the season. Unfortunately this season has shown up his unwillingness to change things and his lack of tactical awareness. I'm just glad we have a York City and a Dagenham and Redbridge in our league this year otherwise we would be deep in the brown stuff!

[Gone_Shrimping]

Just watched the highlights and the sending off. I think Kenyon should appeal , he had a trailing leg and his studs appeared to be down.

How did Molly miss that header ?

[sandgrown]

Molyneux is one of the worst players I have seen. It is a joke he gets to play.

+1

[sandgrown]

"No commitment and effort though, Molyneux, Barkhuizen and Edwards just did not look at all bothered. "

I must have been at a different game, but Molyneux is dogshit and stealing a living.Unfortunately effort alone is not enough.

+1

[sandgrown]

Do you? Straight answer please.

I do !