Players going backwards

[Jettyson]

Early in the season we won games whilst conceding.
Look at now andhow the same players have gone downhill:
McGowan
Beeley
Moly
Mullin
Kev
Paz
Dugdale
Flemmo
Goodall
Barky

in fact it wuld be easier to list those who haven't gone backwards.

Is it being coached out of them?
Play this way or not at all?

[George Dawes]

get the impression, that Jim and Ken just work on fitness, and do very little with the technical side of things, just look at our corner routine, and lack of movement supporting players with the ball, running into space, triangle passing etc.

[bill ding]

[quote="Jettyson"]Early in the season we won games whilst conceding.
Look at now andhow the same players have gone downhill:
McGowan
Beeley
Moly
Mullin
Kev
Paz
Dugdale
Flemmo
Goodall
Barky

in fact it wuld be easier to list those who haven't gone backwards.

Is it being coached out of them?
Play this way or not at all?[/quot

You have missed Edwards off the list mind you I think he has been poor all season .

[Jettyson]

Bill,
I got to 10 and gave up.............

[bill ding]

Fair doos

[marky No.1]

"Players going backwards"

Maybe we could put their names on the front of their shirts!

[Westgate Wanderer]

Some of em don't get far enough up the field to go backwards!

[Gone_Shrimping]

Easier to count the ones who have gone forward in improvement or even stood still,

Baz stood still

Devitt stood still

Miller gone forward

[KenH]

get the impression, that Jim and Ken just work on fitness, and do very little with the technical side of things

Having watched several training sessions, that's exactly how I see it too! It's all about fitness and very little about skills. Lots of heading, short passing drills, usually ending with a short game (say on a third of the pitch using say 5 or 7 aside). More of a pre-match warm up rather than any real technical/tactical practising! The other thing clearly noticeable is that they all look as if they're having fun, and joking around with Ken and Jim - more like a jolly day out than any kind of proper, intensive training!

How many times has Jim said that a particular player has impressed in training, or that the team look good in training, and then when it comes to a proper game, they've looked completely lost and as if they've never played together before. No wonder as playing around on a 5 a side short pitch is nothing like a proper sized pitch against a proper opposition.

I'm often at the Globe maybe an hour early and tend to watch the opposition team warming up and they nearly all do a much more comprehensive and disciplined warm-up schedule. When you watch Morecambe do it, it's more like a group of lads having a Sunday morning kickabout for fun. Not to mention we do exactly the same thing every week, i.e. the kicking to the subbie keeper - look at what opposition do, they do a similar drill, but do it several different ways, i.e. a turnaround before the kick - we just do simple kicks game after game after game. (and of course, Kev is sooo good at kicking at goal, he never even joins in for the pre-match goal practices!!!!)

[BerlinWaller]

I used to get down early when Lillis was here just to watch his pre match routine. It was really intense and I enjoyed how he interacted with the players. He would be at them, getting them going with encouragement and a bit of banter. I remember before our first ever League game he was chasing the players around with a countdown, 20mins to until footy league, 10 mins etc. He created a buzz! I have never seen KMC do that! I agree that it looks like a Sunday league warm up these days, a can of Carling and a fag are the only things missing!

[Christies Child]

get the impression, that Jim and Ken just work on fitness, and do very little with the technical side of things

Having watched several training sessions, that's exactly how I see it too! It's all about fitness and very little about skills. Lots of heading, short passing drills, usually ending with a short game (say on a third of the pitch using say 5 or 7 aside). More of a pre-match warm up rather than any real technical/tactical practising! The other thing clearly noticeable is that they all look as if they're having fun, and joking around with Ken and Jim - more like a jolly day out than any kind of proper, intensive training!

How many times has Jim said that a particular player has impressed in training, or that the team look good in training, and then when it comes to a proper game, they've looked completely lost and as if they've never played together before. No wonder as playing around on a 5 a side short pitch is nothing like a proper sized pitch against a proper opposition.

I'm often at the Globe maybe an hour early and tend to watch the opposition team warming up and they nearly all do a much more comprehensive and disciplined warm-up schedule. When you watch Morecambe do it, it's more like a group of lads having a Sunday morning kickabout for fun. Not to mention we do exactly the same thing every week, i.e. the kicking to the subbie keeper - look at what opposition do, they do a similar drill, but do it several different ways, i.e. a turnaround before the kick - we just do simple kicks game after game after game. (and of course, Kev is sooo good at kicking at goal, he never even joins in for the pre-match goal practices!!!!)

Good assessment and exactly how I've witnessed it myself. Our pre game warm up is a joke compared with that of the opposition.

[Shrimpy]

get the impression, that Jim and Ken just work on fitness, and do very little with the technical side of things

Having watched several training sessions, that's exactly how I see it too! It's all about fitness and very little about skills. Lots of heading, short passing drills, usually ending with a short game (say on a third of the pitch using say 5 or 7 aside). More of a pre-match warm up rather than any real technical/tactical practising! The other thing clearly noticeable is that they all look as if they're having fun, and joking around with Ken and Jim - more like a jolly day out than any kind of proper, intensive training!

How many times has Jim said that a particular player has impressed in training, or that the team look good in training, and then when it comes to a proper game, they've looked completely lost and as if they've never played together before. No wonder as playing around on a 5 a side short pitch is nothing like a proper sized pitch against a proper opposition.

I'm often at the Globe maybe an hour early and tend to watch the opposition team warming up and they nearly all do a much more comprehensive and disciplined warm-up schedule. When you watch Morecambe do it, it's more like a group of lads having a Sunday morning kickabout for fun. Not to mention we do exactly the same thing every week, i.e. the kicking to the subbie keeper - look at what opposition do, they do a similar drill, but do it several different ways, i.e. a turnaround before the kick - we just do simple kicks game after game after game. (and of course, Kev is sooo good at kicking at goal, he never even joins in for the pre-match goal practices!!!!)

Good assessment and exactly how I've witnessed it myself. Our pre game warm up is a joke compared with that of the opposition.

There are some very highly qualified coaches in this thread.

[Freez]

Some of you lot are bloody incredible!!!

Have you honestly read what you have typed??

BHS is collapsing today apparently, I suppose PMG is at fault for that?
Have you people got something in your lives outside MFC making you all the miserable know all nit pickers?

Show me your coaching badges?
Some of the teams who warm up far better than we do we have managed to beat, how shit must they be?

We have a collection of bruised ego's, badly long term injured pros alongside young hopefuls with few of lads who have been around the block a while as a squad.
The lads we signed as bruised and injured, Jim and Ken have nurtured back to something like form. Think Devitt, whom nobody would touch on a free from Chesterfield, Miller after a serious knee injury, Wildig not considered good enough at Shrewsbury after injury, Molyneux after his release from Crewe? He's not done it as we would like but he has potential.
Murphy we have been unlucky with but we don't know what we have missed yet?

The kids are learning, the older pros are winding down, the lads above are all trying to rebuild careers and that's what we have got?
Based on what we accept is the second lowest budget in the division, and considerably lower than about 8 teams in the Bananarama desperate to get out, can we really expect to compete week in and out with Portsmouth on 14,000 crowds and Plymouth on 9,000?
Accy are, you say, but their budget is way ahead of ours following the takeover, and they are doing exceptionally well. Good luck to them.
Perhaps the fact that Accy are doing so well is the one thing that is driving the negativity about every single thing being wrong?

Minute scrutiny can help sometimes but come on?

Reading these threads after the recent run I can understand and share the feeling of hurt and questions being asked, its has been awful.
But the constant ways some of you keep coming up with to bloody moan is bordering on suicidal, and some of you just wind each other up to a frenzy, for crying out loud do Samaritans hang up on you??

We all support the club, we all want us to do better, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, as am I, and this persistent whinging over every little detail isn't doing anyone or anything any good.

But nothing will change, I just wanted to have a moan at the moaners.

Which makes me a moaner too!!! AAAAGH

[marky No.1]

BHS is collapsing today apparently,

I will miss Blackpool Shrimp, hope he is ok

[Freez]

Haha, like it.

See what you did there!

[Christies Child]

Quite a bit has been posted about the training of our lads and the possible shortage of coaching by the management team.

I like a few others have attended a few training sessions and have noticed how little there is in terms of actual team coaching compared with the methods adopted under Jim Harvey.

He used to regularly walk through different game situations that the team would likely face in a real time match. It required using the total pitch area and two teams of 11 made up of equal attackers and defenders. I always got the impression during these sessions that the players took everything on board and having witnessed the coaching it was apparent how certain game time moves had been gone through in the coaching sessions with considerable success on match days. One of the major players to gain considerable experience from such input was Jim Bentley which surprises me that the management team appear not to undertake similar coaching on a regular basis.

As others have pointed out the present training seems to concentrate on fitness and set play routines (particularly corners) which do not appear to have brought about the return one would have expected. Compared with other clubs I would suspect that the goals scored from corners are well below the average. The goals against from oppositions corner routines is probably far higher than the average.