Stanley to league 1

[Morecambe Jack]

OK.One last time. It is true that money doesn't always build a top team in whatever league. Even if we had a few million to spend it wouldn't guarantee success. We would need a top class manager as well. Accrington have got a top class manager at this level and have had money from halfway through the season. We don't have a top class manager in Jim and we've no money. Hence Jim has been unable, on numerous occasions, to get the players that he really wants.

Exeter have (as I understand it) one of the highest paid managers in League 2 yet I still can''t see they are much better than us, certainly didn't make the play offs and many of their fans have been calling for Tisdale's head for years. They, again, are a club that have had (and probably still have) financial problems. If enough money comes into the club (IF it does) it still won't make Jim a top class manager but it will enable us to see what he can do if he can bring the players he wants into the team AND get a decent sized squad.

It is widely documented that Accrington are not spending the money on the playing squad, though I agree with all your other points.

As I have said elsewhere, we are unlikely to ever be a team with a big budget so we need a strategy to deal with it rather than moan about it at every opportunity.

[Freez]

It's widely documented? where?

I'm not repeating myself and I'm not making it up either.

Believe what you want to believe to suit your argument, but Accy's budget is now away above ours since they signed all players in the January loan window!!

If we had signed six or seven from a higher league on decent money on loan, Nobody can says what would have happened!!

End of!

[George Dawes]

It's widely documented? where?

I'm not repeating myself and I'm not making it up either.

Believe what you want to believe to suit your argument, but Accy's budget is now away above ours since they signed all players in the January loan window!!

If we had signed six or seven from a higher league on decent money on loan, Nobody can says what would have happened!!

End of!

with all due respect, have you also got evidence to dismis all this?

you should go on the Stanley forums.

the wages these extra loan players are on, who knows what there being paid? don't think their own fans know.

[mrpotatohead]

I love Freeze to bits ,a smashing bloke , but objectivity ,when it comes to the shrimps is beyond him, the ''party line'' is always going to come first, as with most of our media tarts, he ,over the years, has developed strong friendships with club management etc, so comments , although welcome , have to be taken as, ''from the establishment''.

[Keith]

OK.One last time. It is true that money doesn't always build a top team in whatever league. Even if we had a few million to spend it wouldn't guarantee success. We would need a top class manager as well. Accrington have got a top class manager at this level and have had money from halfway through the season. We don't have a top class manager in Jim and we've no money. Hence Jim has been unable, on numerous occasions, to get the players that he really wants.

Exeter have (as I understand it) one of the highest paid managers in League 2 yet I still can''t see they are much better than us, certainly didn't make the play offs and many of their fans have been calling for Tisdale's head for years. They, again, are a club that have had (and probably still have) financial problems. If enough money comes into the club (IF it does) it still won't make Jim a top class manager but it will enable us to see what he can do if he can bring the players he wants into the team AND get a decent sized squad.

I agree with all of this. What I keep trying to say, is it is ridiculous to say, "budget doesn't come in to it". Of course it does! As indeed, you've said in this post.

Have we under performed this season? In my opinion, yes, massively. Is that ALL down to budget? No, we have, in my opinion, a squad that should be doing much better than they have. Is ANY OF IT down to budget? Yes, budget has a role to play.

We are the smallest club in the Football League. Have Accrington, one of the other small clubs 'over performed'? Yes, massively. And fair play to them. To be above a team that pull in 16,000+ fans for a home game is a remarkable achievement. But if we'd finished eighth and Stanley were second, would we have had a failed season simply because they were above us, or would you have compared us favourably with the clubs in 9th, 10th, 11th...?

[Freez]

Lee, please don't patronise my view, it's mine, nobody else's. I volunteer and will always say what I see, on and off the pitch! I'm definitively not the establishment, anymore than anyone else. You are entitled to that opinion, but in mine, it's bollocks!
I'm a fan, have been so since a child, as you well know, just because I don't agree with anyone or everyone doesn't make my opinion more or less valid than any other.
If I didn't volunteer every again, I would be a fan and still hold exactly the same opinion. Right or wrong!!

George is also right, nobody knows how much the Accy players are being paid, or for that matter where the money is coming from.
And I'm not saying they haven't done well, they have done brilliantly.
But that doesn't change the fact that they have signed them and it's made a big difference.
We will never know if us doing the same would have changed anything.

But I hope there is change coming for us!

[mrpotatohead]

BOOM!!

Like taking candy off a baby

fook me that was easy!

[Seasider9601]

Stanley MIGHT well be heading to League 1.

Didn't beat us this season though did they eh?? Home or away.

[black morse]

Stanley MIGHT well be heading to League 1.

Didn't beat us this season though did they eh?? Home or away.

Now here's a guy who can see light in the darkness

[Freez]

Just for that Lee, I hope QPR beat YOU tomorrow D

[Posh]

BOOM!!

Like taking candy off a baby

fook me that was easy!

[Keith]

Lee, please don't patronise my view...

Yeah, that's my job!

Told Elaine you want QPR to win tomorrow. Oh dear... the greenhouse is available for TT, bring a sleeping bag.

[shrimpinho]

apples to oranges.

Well done to Accy and John Coleman, superb season.

At the end of the day, regardless of budgets, Accy have been brilliant whilst we have been shambolic.

Of course budgets dictate to some degree the type of quality we can afford to bring in. However, regardless of what you say, budgets cannot dictate that absolute sh*t show that has been Morecambe FC for the past 6 months. That is down to the coaching and playing staff and I am afraid, in this climate, blame is usually laid at the managers feet.

[Morecambe Jack]

It's widely documented? where?

I'm not repeating myself and I'm not making it up either.

Believe what you want to believe to suit your argument, but Accy's budget is now away above ours since they signed all players in the January loan window!!

If we had signed six or seven from a higher league on decent money on loan, Nobody can says what would have happened!!

End of!

Is this the most hypocritical post of the season on Shrimpsvoices? Freez you have absolutely nothing to prove what Accrington's budget was, is, or will be so to throw in that comment is a little bit rich. I suspect you don't even know what our budget is, either.

Coleman said in an article this week that they have the lowest budget in the league still.

So you keep believing what you want to suit your argument.

[Freez]

You are quite rightly entitled to your opinion. As a I said believe what you want.
I'm not arguing,

[Teams like Morecambe]

'We won't see an immediate increase in the budget' - John Coleman 29/10/15

FACT

[sandgrown]

apples to oranges.

Well done to Accy and John Coleman, superb season.

At the end of the day, regardless of budgets, Accy have been brilliant whilst we have been shambolic.

Of course budgets dictate to some degree the type of quality we can afford to bring in. However, regardless of what you say, budgets cannot dictate that absolute sh*t show that has been Morecambe FC for the past 6 months. That is down to the coaching and playing staff and I am afraid, in this climate, blame is usually laid at the managers feet.

spot on !

[Kendalshrimp]

I love Freeze to bits ,a smashing bloke , but objectivity ,when it comes to the shrimps is beyond him, the ''party line'' is always going to come first, as with most of our media tarts, he ,over the years, has developed strong friendships with club management etc, so comments , although welcome , have to be taken as, ''from the establishment''.

Basically freez what he's saying is, get out of jims arse and stop being scared to criticise him for being a clueless clown

[Freez]

Firstly, if you have the intelligence to read you will see my reply to Lee. Secondly, he is a wind up merchant.
Thirdly, where do I mention Jim in this thread?
This was about the Accy budget.
I know Lee very well, and have done for years, he would say this to my face, and we would laugh.

You have the better of me, as I don't know who you are, and you certainly don't know the first thing about me, so please don't make assumptions based on nothing.
It's all opinions and banter on here, that's what it's for, surely?

Your view and mine maybe different but there is no need to get personal.

[mrpotatohead]

I think Freeze is confusing me with someone else, my name is not Lee its Darren Lock.

[marky No.1]

....and there's me thinking that punk was dead

[Christies Child]

I think Freeze is confusing me with someone else, my name is not Lee its Darren Lock.

......and he's a SADARSE too....

[marky No.1]

Windass hits out

Windass Snr, 47, said: “The way Josh was playing at the time, and getting a lot of attention from a lot of football clubs, Accrington made the mistake by not giving him a big, long-term contract.

“They offered a contract but it wasn’t that good. If they were to give him a contract on a three-year deal then they could have asked what they liked for him.

“They offered him a contract which wasn’t appealing to his agent, to me and to Josh. And that’s why I said don’t sign that contract because it’s not worth it.

“I blame Accrington in that sense. It’s a bit of naivety from their point of view.”

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... fault.html

[John L]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11776/10262670/the-rise-of-accrington-stanley-how-the-club-with-the-smallest-budget-in-the-football-league-are-on-the-verge-of-promotion

Coley says:

"We've officially got the lowest budget in the Football League, and that's confirmed."

"Our budget will be a fraction of what a Luton or a Portsmouth would spend and perhaps rightly so because we get a fraction of their crowds."

"But it's not about money here. Nobody is coming to play for Accrington for the money or for the glory of playing for the club - they're here because they're hungry and because they're honest."

"It really all boils down to enthusiasm. Our training facilities are awful, so we can't attract players that way either. We have one council Astroturf pitch which we use for all of our training - and that's if the Football in the Community people don't need it."

"So we have to target hungry players who are good footballers and who want to play for us because they love football. Money is never going to be a motivation for the players we sign."

"Character is everything and you're reliant on word of mouth to know that about a person. Sometimes it's a punt but we get more right than we get wrong."

Plenty more to read by clicking on the link!

ENTHUSIASM

[George Dawes]

... thanks for the above quote, I'm gonna save that for next season, so when people play the budget argument(excuse) I can quote this.