O/T Scotland and the EU

[Christies Child]

No doubt Scotland will now have its own further referendum about its future, but what are the chances of them staying in the EU without a renegotiating of it entry as they may well be regarded as a new entrant and involve a substantial and time consuming period of negotiations. Also what does Scotland have to offer the EU to make the Scottish leadership so confident that they will be able to remain.

For me the best outcome would be a resounding vote again in not becoming an independent country but failing that that the EU reject any application for continuance of its membership to the European club.

The only good thing if they get independence is that we will no longer will have to fund them and that at long last they will have to be totally self funding....and sink or swim like the rest of us.

[RedRedWine]

The price of Oil is tanking, they will bide their time.

[George Dawes]

Spain will VETO them, the Basques in Nothern Spain want there own Independence , and the Spanish are totally against this idea, leading Spanish MPs have said no way will they vote for Scotland.

so Scotland in theory could get every other vote in Europe, but it's all irrelevant if Spain VETO them.

[black morse]

Surely they need the agreement of Westminster before they can hold another referendum?

[KenH]

I think it will act as a wake up call to the London political elite to start to respect the regions more and hopefully bring the Union together as one again. All these botched devolutions have been smoke and mirrors and not really tackled the underlying issues which is basically a London that doesn't give a toss about anywhere else in the UK.

[slackAlice2]

Scotland and the SNP need to accept the results of the Referendum;the majority voted to remain as part of the U.K. And yesterday the majority of the U.K. Voted to leave the EU. That's democracy, the will of the people. You can't keep having Referendums in the hope you get a result that agrees with your view.

[Christies Child]

Scotland and the SNP need to accept the results of the Referendum;the majority voted to remain as part of the U.K. And yesterday the majority of the U.K. Voted to leave the EU. That's democracy, the will of the people. You can't keep having Referendums in the hope you get a result that agrees with your view.

Serve that bitch right if they get vetoed by Spain.....

We've got friends in Scotland, one who was the Chief of Police in a certain force and the tales he tells about her and her cronies go to show that she's in it for her own self glory....

[Phil Anderer]

Scotland and the SNP need to accept the results of the Referendum;the majority voted to remain as part of the U.K. And yesterday the majority of the U.K. Voted to leave the EU. That's democracy, the will of the people. You can't keep having Referendums in the hope you get a result that agrees with your view.

Yesterday 52% of 72% of the electorate, or just under 37.5%, voted to leave. I agree it is a mandate, but not a comprehensive, unquestionable one. By contrast, just over 34.5% voted to stay, while 28% couldn't care less. I'm disappointed, but not despondent. Don't overstate the case.

[marky No.1]

I don't think the 28% will care less now. Half of them would moan either way even when they havn't voted.
Can't believe the number of people that have voted out because they thought it would be 'in' anyway and were then surprised at today's events

[black morse]

I'd wager that at least 10% who are eligible to vote haven't a clue there's even been a referendum (or what a referendum is!)

[jon MFC fan]

i dont understand am i scottish or english where my whole family are scottish i was born over in the dark side of the lune

[George Dawes]

i dont understand am i scottish or english where my whole family are scottish i was born over in the dark side of the lune

Good point that, when asked my nationality, most of the time i say British, got Scottish Irish English in me, loads of people will think like this

[jon MFC fan]

but what is even weirder is that i often use scottish words when speaking and also i have been researching it as my roots in scotland also leads to ireland and ive asked on reddit about it a i have replys saying i should get a british passport atm and then get a scottish one in the future

[seasonsinthesun]

Well, the next referendum is taking place in Yorkshire with the questions: Do you wish Yorkshire to remain part of the United Kingdom or to leave the United Kingdom?
As I was born in Bradford, I may have to apply for a Yorkshire passport.

[John L]

Well, the next referendum is taking place in Yorkshire with the questions: Do you wish Yorkshire to remain part of the United Kingdom or to leave the United Kingdom?
As I was born in Bradford, I may have to apply for a Yorkshire passport.

You will, otherwise you won't be able to fly with Yorkshire Airlines...
https://youtu.be/Rm6VC5gdaFA

[George Dawes]

Well, the next referendum is taking place in Yorkshire with the questions: Do you wish Yorkshire to remain part of the United Kingdom or to leave the United Kingdom?
As I was born in Bradford, I may have to apply for a Yorkshire passport.

fair point, seriously where do people draw the line?

Cornwall had their own King and realm and language and independence, from England aswell.

i use that argument with Scotish people who want to leave(based on oil), saying Scotland is just a jumped up county, not country, with no borders.(they go mental btw)

however the Irish have a valid argument as their an Island and how would we feel if somebody crossed over water and invaded us, we'll the Normans and Romans did, and others have tried and failed.

[Singapore Shrimp]

Well, the next referendum is taking place in Yorkshire with the questions: Do you wish Yorkshire to remain part of the United Kingdom or to leave the United Kingdom?
As I was born in Bradford, I may have to apply for a Yorkshire passport.

fair point, seriously where do people draw the line?

Cornwall had their own King and realm and language and independence, from England aswell.

i use that argument with Scotish people who want to leave(based on oil), saying Scotland is just a jumped up county, not country, with no borders.(they go mental btw)

however the Irish have a valid argument as their an Island and how would we feel if somebody crossed over water and invaded us, we'll the Normans and Romans did, and others have tried and failed.

other areas also had their own kings ( Northumbria, Mercia, East Anglia, Essex, Kent, Sussex, and Wessex). Cornwall is not special in that respect. And as far as language goes how many of them can actually speak it?

[mrpotatohead]

from roman times right up to the 20th century we've been ruled by Invaders either by occupation or royal marriage, (our royal family have a greek as head of the house in phil at the moment), all this nationalism is a load of codswallop, the real thoroughbred brits live in places like Aspatria, Bentham, Barra, Skipton etc.and are all inbred idiots.

[Zip It Shrimpy]

Yesterday 52% of 72% of the electorate, or just under 37.5%, voted to leave. I agree it is a mandate, but not a comprehensive, unquestionable one. By contrast, just over 34.5% voted to stay, while 28% couldn't care less. I'm disappointed, but not despondent. Don't overstate the case.

How many millions weren't allowed to vote? My wife for example has lived here all her adult life and , over the last 25 years has paid a quarter of a million pounds (£250,000) in taxes. Not allowed to vote because she doesn't have a British passport.

[Phil Anderer]

Yesterday 52% of 72% of the electorate, or just under 37.5%, voted to leave. I agree it is a mandate, but not a comprehensive, unquestionable one. By contrast, just over 34.5% voted to stay, while 28% couldn't care less. I'm disappointed, but not despondent. Don't overstate the case.

How many millions weren't allowed to vote? My wife for example has lived here all her adult life and , over the last 25 years has paid a quarter of a million pounds (£250,000) in taxes. Not allowed to vote because she doesn't have a British passport.

You and she have my sympathies. British people living overseas only had to be there for I think 14 years before they were excluded from the vote, whilst a foreign-born individual living and paying taxes here for 25 years is also excluded. For my money that's pandering to the right-wing Europhobes, who if these people had had the vote and it had been for Remain, would have been up in arms.

[Gnasher]

Yesterday 52% of 72% of the electorate, or just under 37.5%, voted to leave. I agree it is a mandate, but not a comprehensive, unquestionable one. By contrast, just over 34.5% voted to stay, while 28% couldn't care less. I'm disappointed, but not despondent. Don't overstate the case.

How many millions weren't allowed to vote? My wife for example has lived here all her adult life and , over the last 25 years has paid a quarter of a million pounds (£250,000) in taxes. Not allowed to vote because she doesn't have a British passport.

Why doesn't she have a British passport?

[Zip It Shrimpy]

She would only get one if she gave up her Spanish nationality. Oh, and pay £1,000; rather a lot when she has a perfectly good passport that works with no disadvantage over my UK one wherever in the world we've wanted to go.

[Gnasher]

£250K tax over 25 years averages £10K per year.That puts her salary at least £40K per year. 25 years ago that was a hell of a lot of money and I doubt it was actually anything like that which means the current salary is much higher. And you can't afford the cost of a british vote?

[mrpotatohead]

aahh, hello Mark....

not wanting one and not being able to have one are a bit different aren't they.

[marky No.1]

Mark? he's Brian??

Yes, changing from a Spanish passport is rather expensive!