Bury away tickets 30/8/16

[Christies Child]

As for seeing Development Squads in a restructured league....I somehow think that the combined negativity of our league and its fan base will deter any such move. I'm totally against any such an attempt as I'm confident are the overwhelming thoughts of the clubs and their fan base.

The overwhelming thoughts of fans were against B teams being allowed in the FL Trophy, yet here we are with a competitive game against Stoke's U23's.

Fans weren't consulted on this, the decision was left to the clubs who having had some Premier League ££££ dangled in front of their eyes voted in favour of it, going against the vast majority of fans wishes.

It's up to us fans now to show the clubs / Football League that we don't want this and won't just swallow our pride and accept any old crap they decide to dream up. Boycotting the fixtures is the only way they will get the message.

Where is the evidence for that assumption....

One can't go by fans forums as the vast majority of fans don't contribute to forums such as ours as we all know. There are possibly no more than 20 who post on SVs....

Only a few have contributed to this thread. Is their opinion going to reflect the silent majority....

[Seasider9601]

Where is the evidence for that assumption....

One place for much evidence is Twitter where fans of ALL clubs voiced their disapproval for this re-structure.

It literally went into meltdown over the objections.

[Shrimpy]

Where is the evidence for that assumption....

This is a good place to start: http://www.againstleague3.co.uk/. MFC Manc may also find this useful if he needs explaining why B Teams in the League structure is a bad idea.

Also this quote: ""Our studies show over 75% of lower league fans are against the implementation of B teams." from this article: http://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/fan ... tory.shtml

Plenty more sources from supporter groups expressing their displeasure of the whole thing if you want to do some digging.

[MfcChris]

I will not be attending although it is only a matter of time before they bring them in the leagues.

Don't know if Spanish is comparable but some average attendances:

Celta Vigo A 16578
Sporting Gijón A 25540
Real Sociedad A 27220

Celta Vigo B 980
Sporting Gijón B 750
Real Sociedad B 667

[Christies Child]

Claims that 75% of fans are against depends of how many have been consulted or actually contributed to the discussion.

Would suggest that NOT 75% of our fans have expressed an opinion.

However have total respect for all those who have said the competition has been degraded by the inclusion of U21/U23 teams.

[Shrimpy]

Claims that 75% of fans are against depends of how many have been consulted or actually contributed to the discussion.

Would suggest that NOT 75% of our fans have expressed an opinion.

Whilst obviously you can't be sure I would be fairly confident in predicting that the overwhelming majority of fans of clubs in L1 and below would be against the idea of playing B teams in competitive fixtures based on polls such as the one above and the reactions to the proposals from both fans and the media.

If you think otherwise then I'm all for hearing your argument.

[Christies Child]

http://www.againstleague3.co.uk/bteamboycott-signup/

To date only 2,034 have actually voted on the above site....

Not really worth getting into an arguement one way or another with a fellow Shrimp fan. Just respect that other fans have different views on this subject than mine.

[John L]

Correct. No one should be planning on attending this fixture.

Everyone has the right to decide for themselves whether or not they want to attend this fixture based on their principles and beliefs, and should be allowed to attend if they wish.

Correct, people can choose to be a scab if they wish.

That's a pretty pathetic response, but if that's how you view your fellow fans, so be it.

[Shrimpy]

http://www.againstleague3.co.uk/bteamboycott-signup/

To date only 2,034 have actually voted on the above site....

Not really worth getting into an arguement one way or another with a fellow Shrimp fan. Just respect that other fans have different views on this subject than mine.

One minute you say that a poll conducted needs to be taken with a pinch of salt as there's no way of knowing who has and hasn't been consulted and next you're using a similar form of gauging opinion to support your argument!

[Christies Child]

http://www.againstleague3.co.uk/bteamboycott-signup/

To date only 2,034 have actually voted on the above site....

Not really worth getting into an arguement one way or another with a fellow Shrimp fan. Just respect that other fans have different views on this subject than mine.

One minute you say that a poll conducted needs to be taken with a pinch of salt as there's no way of knowing who has and hasn't been consulted and next you're using a similar form of gauging opinion to support your argument!

What I am suggesting is that a poll of only 2,034 replies can't be regarded as an overwhelming opinion of fans.

Let's not get into an arguement about this. I respect your opinion...respect mine...OK

[Shrimpy]

http://www.againstleague3.co.uk/bteamboycott-signup/

To date only 2,034 have actually voted on the above site....

Not really worth getting into an arguement one way or another with a fellow Shrimp fan. Just respect that other fans have different views on this subject than mine.

One minute you say that a poll conducted needs to be taken with a pinch of salt as there's no way of knowing who has and hasn't been consulted and next you're using a similar form of gauging opinion to support your argument!

What I am suggesting is that a poll of only 2,034 replies can't be regarded as an overwhelming opinion of fans.

Let's not get into an arguement about this. I respect your opinion...respect mine...OK

I'm not quite sure what your opinion is? Are you in favour of the proposals or not?

[Christies Child]

Totally 100% against the proposal of a league incorporating U21/ U23 teams.

But NOT in favour of boycotting the Cup because of the inclusion of U21/U23 teams.

Don't like it but not prepared to boycott it when it has a direct influence on our club's finances no matter how small the game contributes.

[Shrimpy]

But NOT in favour of boycotting the Cup because of the inclusion of U21/U23 teams.

Don't like it but not prepared to boycott it when it has a direct influence on our club's finances no matter how small the game contributes.

I've pointed this out to you on numerous occasions in the past though, it won't have any effect on the clubs finances if you hand over the money to them in other ways such as purchasing items from the club shop or buying an extra ticket for a different game or just simply donating it to the club.

My view is having B teams / U21 teams / U23 teams in the EFL Trophy is just the thin end of the wedge and a successful "trial" this season will only lead to these teams being entered into the lower leagues which you've said you are totally against.

Doing nothing now and only choosing to act when this happens will be too late.

[Christies Child]

As I've stated previously, I respect your point of view. Just respect mine ( and others ) without reverting to insults such as calling me ( and those who choose to attend ) scabs.

[Shrimpy]

As I've stated previously, I respect your point of view. Just respect min ( and others ) without reverting to insults such as calling me (those who choose to attend ) scabs.

I'm just trying to understand your view point.

The only reason you've given for attending so far is that you don't want the club to lose out financially but when given alternative ways to put money into the club you just bury your head in the sand and ignore it.

[Christies Child]

As I've stated previously, I respect your point of view. Just respect min ( and others ) without reverting to insults such as calling me (those who choose to attend ) scabs.

I'm just trying to understand your view point.

The only reason you've given for attending so far is that you don't want the club to lose out financially but when given alternative ways to put money into the club you just bury your head in the sand and ignore it.

It's my choice to attend and therefore I will put money into the club that way. if you and others choose to donate then good on ya....

Plus of course I want to see our team in another match even if it is against an U21/U23 team. Probably more competitive than a pre season friendly which I assumed you attended.

[Shrimpy]

It's my choice to attend and therefore I will put money into the club that way. if you and others choose to donate then good on ya....

That's fine, but it goes against your previous statement of "Don't like it but not prepared to boycott it when it has a direct influence on our club's finances".

Essentially you don't agree with it but you're going to attend anyway because you want to watch a football match? Am I right?

[Christies Child]

I want to watch a football match that our club will be playing against another team, even if that team is an U21/U23....simple as that.

We could continue this discussion ( and disagree ) until the cows come home so let's call it a day and accept that we have different views.... at least we can agree that we both support our club.

[Shrimpy]

I want to watch a football match that our club will be playing against another team, even if that team is an U21/U23....simple as that.

We could continue this discussion ( and disagree ) until the cows come home so let's call it a day and accept that we have different views.... at least we can agree that we both support our club.

I'd rather fight for what I believe in and make a stand rather than just roll over and accept whatever rubbish the EFL dream up out of blind loyalty to the club but each to their own.

As I said, don't come crying to me when the club ends up playing a dozen or so league fixtures against Premier League B teams every season in front of crowds of a few hundred in glorified training grounds.

[Christies Child]

I want to watch a football match that our club will be playing against another team, even if that team is an U21/U23....simple as that.

We could continue this discussion ( and disagree ) until the cows come home so let's call it a day and accept that we have different views.... at least we can agree that we both support our club.

I'd rather fight for what I believe in and make a stand rather than just roll over and accept whatever rubbish the EFL dream up out of blind loyalty to the club but each to their own.

As I said, don't come crying to me when the club ends up playing a dozen or so league fixtures against Premier League B teams every season in front of crowds of a few hundred in glorified training grounds.

I really do admire your passion and commitment in opposing the thought of an introduction of U21/U23 teams.

[Phil Anderer]

I want to watch a football match that our club will be playing against another team, even if that team is an U21/U23....simple as that.

We could continue this discussion ( and disagree ) until the cows come home so let's call it a day and accept that we have different views.... at least we can agree that we both support our club.

I'd rather fight for what I believe in and make a stand rather than just roll over and accept whatever rubbish the EFL dream up out of blind loyalty to the club but each to their own.

As I said, don't come crying to me when the club ends up playing a dozen or so league fixtures against Premier League B teams every season in front of crowds of a few hundred in glorified training grounds.

How likely is that though? If the premier league teams get their B/U21/U23 teams into the league, other teams will have to make way for them, this will have a knock-on effect well down into lower league, and we could be one of the first kicked down, given our average finishing position. That is another strong argument in my opinion for boycotting this and instead giving money to the club some other way. In doing so you're actually standing up not just for your own club, but for all those in the Bananarama leagues etc who could end up being negatively affected. This is about potentially hundreds of thousands of fans being affected. If all 20 Premiership teams are allowed to field B teams, that's 20 extra teams relegated somewhere along the line. The Prem clubs won't give a toss about the turnouts, since they only get a fraction of their income from fans actually turning up. That is so much more important to clubs like ours, and actually why it is therefore so important NOT to buy tickets for this tournament (but I'm not going to resort to name-calling).

[morecambegeek]

It's a stupid pointless tournament.

It's being made even more stupid and pointless.

Anyone who actively wants to see us playing Premier League reserve sides is a moron.

[Christies Child]

So that's a SCAB and a MORON all in the same thread.....

[Gone_Shrimping]

It's a stupid pointless tournament.

It's being made even more stupid and pointless.

Anyone who actively wants to see us playing Premier League reserve sides is a moron.

Its not a stupid pointless tournament IMHO.

Its our best opportunity of a day playing at Wembley.

What is stupid is admitting Premier League development sides. They should have gone for groups of 4 but restricted them to the EFL 48 clubs in divs 1 and 2.

[morecambegeek]

So that's a SCAB and a MORON all in the same thread.....

Says the poster whining about being entitled to his opinion. I'm entitled to mine too. 6 minutes to reply though, good for you.

Its not a stupid pointless tournament IMHO.

Its our best opportunity of a day playing at Wembley.

I've zero interest in this competition. I've no idea how many matches are involved in getting to Wembley - almost 10 I would guess. We don't have the squad to play 10 extra matches.