Bury away tickets 30/8/16

[Teams like Morecambe]

The introduction of u23 teams in to the EFL Trophy is a sign of things to come. The water is being tested through a competition that has little importance even to the smaller clubs like ourselves. This isn't about the EFL Trophy, it's about the bigger picture, the possibility of playing B teams on a regular basis in the league. Unless we unite against these youth teams then this possibility might become a reality. I'm not sure whether to just boycott the game(s) against the u23 teams or the entire competition. It's not really the competition that I disagree with its the acne infested rich clubs kids teams that we have to face.

AGAINST MODERN FOOTBALL

[Westgate Wanderer]

Back in the distant past didn't we play A and B teams in the Lancashire League? Man Utd, City, Everton and Liverpool? Before this became the league our reserves played in? Didn't we win the Lancashire League? Didn't we beat a Burnley A team in the Lancashire Senior Cup Final? Just wondering what the difference is

[SupermarketShrimp]

I'm going but I'm not paying. Where does that leave me?

[Gone_Shrimping]

Back in the distant past didn't we play A and B teams in the Lancashire League? Man Utd, City, Everton and Liverpool? Before this became the league our reserves played in? Didn't we win the Lancashire League? Didn't we beat a Burnley A team in the Lancashire Senior Cup Final? Just wondering what the difference is

The A and B teams were playing our reserves , not against our first team.

I think we beat Burnley in the Lancashire Senior Cup final , not Burnley A.

[Seasider9601]

Back in the distant past didn't we play A and B teams in the Lancashire League? Man Utd, City, Everton and Liverpool? Before this became the league our reserves played in? Didn't we win the Lancashire League? Didn't we beat a Burnley A team in the Lancashire Senior Cup Final? Just wondering what the difference is

We did play against A and B teams in the Lancashire League yes. Our Reserves. Whilst our first team competed in the Northern Premier League and Conference.

And our Reserves did win the Lancashire League yes. Playing against other Reserve sides, yes.

I'm wholly against this introducing of Reserve sides (or Development Squads as they call them in this modern day and age of football ) into our Cup Competitions and even more against the formation of a new division to incorporate them.

This is the Football League proper, not the local North Lancashire League.

[John L]

I'm going but I'm not paying. Where does that leave me?

At the turnstile?

[Keith]

I think we beat Burnley in the Lancashire Senior Cup final , not Burnley A.

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Burnley had at least one England international playing that night.

[Seasider9601]

Yep, Ralph Coates.

And nope, I'm not old enough to have been there.....!!

[Richard Head]

Yep, Ralph Coates.

And nope, I'm not old enough to have been there.....!!

Sadly I am old enough to have been there, what a night. Didnt we get to the Senior Cup final again in 1974? I seem to remember a fixture backlog because of the FA Trophy run and beating a Man United team then losing to Man City in the final both at Christie soon after the Wembley final

[Keith]

Sadly I am old enough to have been there, what a night. Didnt we get to the Senior Cup final again in 1974? I seem to remember a fixture backlog because of the FA Trophy run and beating a Man United team then losing to Man City in the final both at Christie soon after the Wembley final

That's correct. Was Joe Corrigan in nets and a dart was thrown at him, getting stuck in the post? They kept the trophy for many years, as it was the last time it was played for a long time.

[Shrimpy]

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The competition becomes even more of a farce as it turns out it's no longer classed as a first team fixture so the PL players don't pick up suspensions. What a joke!

[JPH]

I don't agree at all with the development/u23 teams. Unless it's one of the big guns (who aren't involved) clubs like us are hit by ever poorer gates than usual..

HOWEVER. Opinion aside, we received £75,000 for entering. I believe we also receive an x number of thousand for winning (?10,000), drawing and losing and then progressing (if we did). Plus gates (which of course, granted, won't be much). So if we like it or not, this cup now IS important. And boy do we need the money. Let's support the lads.

[Christies Child]

I don't agree at all with the development/u23 teams. Unless it's one of the big guns (who aren't involved) clubs like us are hit by ever poorer gates than usual..

HOWEVER. Opinion aside, we received £75,000 for entering. I believe we also receive an x number of thousand for winning (?10,000), drawing and losing and then progressing (if we did). Plus gates (which of course, granted, won't be much). So if we like it or not, this cup now IS important. And boy do we need the money. Let's support the lads.

A good and welcome handout.

[marky No.1]

Yes, means we shouldnt lose money for a month

[shrimperteer]

Scabs never like being called scabs.

[Christies Child]

For the faithful who will be there remember it's a 7 pm ko.

[Arnside Red]

I remember the dart incident and also Morecambe scored with the last kick of the match, goal disallowed as ref said he had already blown his whistle..........

[Potted Shrimp]

The phrase "if i isn't broken then don't fix it" doesn't seem to apply to modern day football in terms of alterations to perfectly functioning football tournaments such as the Euros, Champions League or in this instance the 'Football League Trophy.'

A competition to give clubs in the lower tiers an opportunity to be competitive in a cup competition and enjoy a day at Wembley has now been ruined with a change in format similar to that of the Champions League and an inclusion of Premier League/Championship academy clubs. What these changes bring to the competition is beyond me and one hopes it is not a pre-cursor to the inclusion of Premier League B teams in the Football League.

In this country we the best league structure in world football, and hopefully ideas of a 100 team, 5 league tier do not come to fruition on the back of these changes. I am sure dire attendances and a general lack of interest in the competition will prevent this.

[steve mfc]

For the faithful who will be there remember it's a 7 pm ko.

So I take it you are implying that if you attend this competition then you are one of the faithful as opposed to those of us who don't attend out of principle because we don't believe it is right that under 23 sides should be in this competition and it will be used as a way of eventually introducing them into the football league.

If we don't take a stand then that's what will happen, they are testing the water if you are happy with that then fair enough, I have always attended these games in the past but I wont be doing as long as they persist with it in this format and it would appear from a quick look around the forums of other teams that a lot of other supporters feel the same way.

[Phil Anderer]

I'm not going to resort to unnecessary inflammatory language, and I do accept that people will see things differently, but in my opinion it is highly important for the fans NOT to support this competition, this year, in this format. Doing so legitimises the inclusion of the B teams, and strengthens the Prem clubs' argument for incorporating them into the league. The only reason they are in this tournament is because the Prem clubs have bought their way in, bribing the poorer clubs with their TV money. In actual fact, the club might be better off this year than last before any ticket sales are taken into account, due to that bribe. The best, and only, way we can express our dissatisfaction with the inclusion of the B teams is not to attend, and in that way we are actually supporting our club, because we're seeking to ensure this experiment isn't extended.

[RapidShrimp]

I'm not going to resort to unnecessary inflammatory language, and I do accept that people will see things differently, but in my opinion it is highly important for the fans NOT to support this competition, this year, in this format. Doing so legitimises the inclusion of the B teams, and strengthens the Prem clubs' argument for incorporating them into the league. The only reason they are in this tournament is because the Prem clubs have bought their way in, bribing the poorer clubs with their TV money. In actual fact, the club might be better off this year than last before any ticket sales are taken into account, due to that bribe. The best, and only, way we can express our dissatisfaction with the inclusion of the B teams is not to attend, and in that way we are actually supporting our club, because we're seeking to ensure this experiment isn't extended.

The idea of having tables to qualify for the knockout stages is great but I completely agree, lets get some money while we can in the short term but try and shut out the long term problems that may happen.

The problem is though, if you don't attend any of the three matches, it will just look like that is our regular attendance, but if only the Stoke game is missed by people, then it will be far more obvious in what we want.

There should be some sort of vote carried out for fans and staff across leagues 1 & 2 that gives us an oportunity to voice our opinion to the FA. Petitions are often unreliable because you don't know exactly what people want as only one side of the arguement is shown. No way do I think any sort of vote would happen as the FA have an idea and they will want to stick with it. Lets just enjoy the matches and enjoy the money while it lasts and listening on Player is often more fun than actually being there!

[Shrimpy]

The problem is though, if you don't attend any of the three matches, it will just look like that is our regular attendance, but if only the Stoke game is missed by people, then it will be far more obvious in what we want.

Not really as you will be able to compare the attendance figures with previous seasons.

[John L]

Alternatively, you could just boycott the games which involve the B teams, in this case Stoke at home, which may make a clearer point. That way, the League One and Two clubs still get your much-needed income from the other games. Due to work commitments I can't attend any of the group games but that's what I'd do if I could.

[Christies Child]

As one of those scabs and morons who will be attending these HOME games my reasoning has been well documented and doesn't sit well with a growing number of fellow SVers which I accept. However the article on the competition in this weeks Football League Paper by John Lyons quotes the thoughts of EFL Chief Executive Shaun Harvey who states that the original Johnstone's paint Trophy was not working and that this revised format met with the approval of the involved clubs on the basis that the competition needed rejuvenating and that he's sure it will be a success going forward.

I doubt very much that neither he nor his fellow executive committee members will ever admit that they got it wrong and will persevere with the competition in its present format regardless of the thoughts of the fans who it would appear have not been consulted and have little chance of either being so or affecting the competition format going forward irrespective of gate figures.

Sad but unfortunately true.....

[Shrimpy]

Despite originally saying there will never be B teams in League fixtures at least one chairman of a Football League club has come out in recent says essentially saying "never say never" so you can't trust the people in charge as far as you can throw them!