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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby Christies Child » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:50 pm

Morecambe Jack wrote:Something is not better than nothing if its counter-productive. A Facebook post costs nothing, posters to stick around all the town's dirty takeaways costs time, money, effort. The former is much more likely to get read, get read by more people, and actually result in more people coming to a game.

Get with the times.


I wonder how many actually use social media on a regular basis to find out about forthcoming games at The Globe :?: :?: :?:

If I'm prepared to put the time effort and money to do something to promote our club why be so bloody critical..,, :?: :?: :?:

As for Geek, no mention of the take over but can always find time to slag me off. Maybe if he took the time to be constructive with some ideas he'd gain some respect amongst other fans.
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby morecambegeek » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:05 pm

So you're not going to answer my question about why calendars instead of other forms of promotion?

Posters didn't work, so why are calendars in exactly the same location going to work?

Looking forward to my question being ignored as usual in favour of you moaning about the fact someone has the audacity to question you.

As for the takeover, what do you want me to say? It hasn't gone through yet, and no one knows anything about the potential new owners plans. So it's premature for anyone to say if it's good or bad.

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Christies Child wrote: Maybe if he took the time to be constructive with some ideas he'd gain some respect amongst other fans.


What puts you in a position to be able to make a comment like this?
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby shrimpnsave » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:32 pm

morecambegeek wrote:[EDIT] Don't go quoting him!

Handbags are out again! :roll: :lol:
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby Morecambe Jack » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:57 pm

A lot more than would use a poster in their local chippy? I'm being constructively critical. You have suggested something that I think is nonsense, I am suggesting something which is more appropriate.
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby marky No.1 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:12 pm

Gone_Shrimping wrote:
marky No.1 wrote:Im all for promoting Callenders, sounds like a plan.
I have to write her one out every time the fixtures are announced.



Reg would have loved promoting Callenders :lol:

Did you get 18CYL


Yes thanks it's here and out and about in all it's glory... are you Heysham Shrimp in disguise - he seems to have disappeared?

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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby Gone_Shrimping » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:17 pm

marky No.1 wrote:
Gone_Shrimping wrote:
marky No.1 wrote:Im all for promoting Callenders, sounds like a plan.
I have to write her one out every time the fixtures are announced.



Reg would have loved promoting Callenders :lol:

Did you get 18CYL


Yes thanks it's here and out and about in all it's glory... are you Heysham Shrimp in disguise - he seems to have disappeared?

Let's hope Diego passes the test then we can move on


Yes , something went wrong with my computer and it wouldn't let me log on as H S so I started a new username.

The EFL is a very thorough body and examines these things very closely as evidenced by them approving The Venkys , The Oystons and Stephen Vaughan. It should be a formality.
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby shrimpnsave » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:38 pm

shrimpnsave wrote:
morecambegeek wrote:[EDIT] Don't go quoting him!

Handbags are out again! :roll: :lol:

:lol: but he has an eloquence of words!!
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby marky No.1 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:48 pm

marky No.1 wrote: are you Heysham Shrimp in disguise - he seems to have disappeared?


Yes , something went wrong with my computer and it wouldn't let me log on as H S so I started a new username.[/quote]


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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby shrimpnsave » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:54 pm

no shit sherlock :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby SupermarketShrimp » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:56 am

Christies Child wrote:Will take issue with the thinking that nobody wants a calendar or Wall Planner.

My suggestion of it being used in Take Aways, Shops and Offices is still valid despite the negativity of the above post.

:evil: :evil: :evil:

I'll take it for granted that when they are issued FOC to whoever wants one you will decline.... :roll:


Just out of interest neil, how do expect people to see these when since just eat, deliveroo etc made going to takeaway pointless, the expansion of working from home away from offices, and the expansion of online shopping?

Save the money, get a professional in and pay them a wage. We once got some marketing folk from the university free of charge in the late 90s early 2000s
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby Phil Anderer » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:45 am

Whilst I personally don't use social media, except of course Shrimpsvoices, I do work from home, and the only calendar I use is the one in Outlook, and I do agree that the way forward for promoting the club is through social media; it's cheap, immediate, and it gets to the younger generations, who are the ones we need to hook and get coming to the ground. I wouldn't say there is no place for more traditional forms of promotion, but the cost does have to be weighed against the effectiveness, as it is considerably more labour and money intensive than Fakebook, Tw@tter etc.
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby Gnasher » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:02 pm

Like it or not, digital is the way forward. Let's say 100 people each take notice of a poster in a shop, to reach the 23,377 that would see a post by MFC on Facebook would take 234 posters. Facebook & Twitter, free. How much would it cost to design, print and deliver 234 posters?

What seems to be lacking is someone managing this full-time, which is what it needs to be effective.
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby New_Ground_Watcher » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:55 pm

MFC have over 20,000 followers on Twitter so with Facebook there are 43,000+ people interested in Morecambe Football Club! Pity only 1,000 - 1,500 turn up on match days.
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby Gnasher » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:52 pm

I'd suggest the majority of people follow both Facebook and Twitter so it's nowhere near the combined figure.
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby Keith » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:20 pm

Gnasher wrote:I'd suggest the majority of people follow both Facebook and Twitter so it's nowhere near the combined figure.


And a huge number live outside of the area too.
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby SupermarketShrimp » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:08 pm

Gnasher wrote:Like it or not, digital is the way forward. Let's say 100 people each take notice of a poster in a shop, to reach the 23,377 that would see a post by MFC on Facebook would take 234 posters. Facebook & Twitter, free. How much would it cost to design, print and deliver 234 posters?

What seems to be lacking is someone managing this full-time, which is what it needs to be effective.


Yup. Either make it a proper full time commercial job or farm it out to the university who'll use it in some project of some description.
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby Phil Anderer » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:02 pm

Keith wrote:
Gnasher wrote:I'd suggest the majority of people follow both Facebook and Twitter so it's nowhere near the combined figure.


And a huge number live outside of the area too.


Keith, I'm sure you're man enough to take it, but you've just committed one of my grammar faux pas, on the grounds I view it as an Americanism. 'Outside of'? In English that's just 'outside'. I fully appreciate that language evolves, but I reserve the right to defend my mother tongue against the influx from across the pond. No intent to offend, but I do love language, particularly my own, and frequently bite my tongue on here (metaphorically speaking), with some of the spelling and grammar used. I am not perfect myself so feel free to take aim. I'll start the grammar nazi thread another week.
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby Freez » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:53 pm

Keep the torch burning for Shrimper!! :D
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby Keith » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:29 pm

Phil Anderer wrote:'Outside of'? In English that's just 'outside'.


Bloody pedant.

Freez wrote:Keep the torch burning for Shrimper!! :D


Bloody pedant.

8-)

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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby Posh » Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:43 am

The most important thing for the club is not promoting individual games and offers but to engrain the club in the heart and soul of the community. Yes offers play a part but often it devalues the core product rather than creates a genuinely new customer. Offers should be targeted outside the area and to those like students, supporters of other clubs, people with children interested in football. These need to be long-term programmes though.

To engrain the club needs visibility. "Wow, so many people support their local team".

As part of this physical promotion such as posters are invaluable. Back in 2001 I used to distribute posters for forthcoming matches to every pub and busy premises in Morecambe and surrounding areas. It took half a day to do and they lasted for months. They weren't focused on one game but on passionate appeals for people to back their local club. Constantly reinforcing a simple brand message works and gets seen over and over again.

To do this we should have a couple of big poster sites on key roads where people pass all the time; I'd give away free car stickers to every supporter so a message gets seen hundreds of thousands of times; I'd sponsor the Service to Youth League with over 2,000 local kids playing and promote joint working and discounted kit offers; I'd discount kids football kits from the moment they go on sale; and I'd sell second hand kids kit to keep them out there. Impact, impact, impact.

Secondly, social media. Most of our followers are outside the local community (about 55% on Facebook). Let's take Facebook and forget the rest. Facebook is by far and away the most powerful promotional medium - higher usage, higher dwell times etc. Morecambe FC are one of the worst clubs at social. This starts because the Chairman and General Manager don't use social media. Secondly because there isn't a dedicated Marketing and PR Exec. Thankfully volunteers such as Freez and Mark have filled the void, as well as Matt's great videos and graphics. However from my experience it is incredibly painful. There is no strategy because it is difficult to do one when you've got no idea how to develop one.

Facebook's Page algorithms are specifically designed to limit the impact of standard organic posts. So if the club put up a next match announcement it will typically be viewed by a small hardcore who engage with the club, some of whom then share it - roughly six people on average. Not much.

As a result, you have to be smart. One of those is using Facebook Live, which Mark and Freez have. Facebook want people using Live so the algorithm puts it on far more followers timelines currently than organic posts.

The second is paying for ads or sponsored posts. These are incredibly effective. It has the ability to target on very tight geography and demographics. For example, you could offer a £5 a ticket offer with a download to say people 30+ with children and above average incomes who live in Kirkby Stephen only. The costs are still very cheap and they could deliver powerful campaigns for say £20 a week. On campaigns I deliver we can get 250,000 page impressions and a 1,000 engagements (likes, clicks etc.) for less than £100.

The only way to capitalise on organic posts is a like an share offer to promote a specific service. E.g. Give away a table in hospitality with a few cheap to deliver bells and whistles. These can often build up huge momentum if done right. One give away we did got 11.5 million page impressions and over 50,000 engagements for free.

Ignorance is bliss though. Let's hope Diego has a marketing strategy.
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby marky No.1 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:31 am

In 3 words

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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby Posh » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:32 am

P.S. Sorry I was wrong about the Facebook figures. These are the top locations of our Facebook followers:

Morecambe 1,626
Lancaster 834
Accra, Ghana 374
Yangon, China? 374
Bangkok 361
Heysham 322

41% are men between 18 and 24.

Morecambe posts last week - 9
Carlisle - 68
Fleetwood - 75
Stevenage - 29
Hartlepool - 21
Accrington - 10
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Re: MFC Wall planners / Calenders

Postby marky No.1 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:37 am

Yangon is Burma between China and Thailand, not sure if they have Sugar Puffs, but I am sure Curly will fill you in later :lol:
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