Had Enough after 25 years

[morecambegeek]

And we've still won as many matches as Leyton Orient and Newport combined.

Whilst I assume you're saying "it could be worse", it kind of misses the point of this thread completely.

A lot of people have had enough.

Results away from home are generally good, no one is disputing that. But for the vast majority of people who don't go to many or any away matches, what they have seen over the last three and a bit seasons, has, for the largest part, been absolutely woeful, and they don't want to pay to see it anymore.

A small group of posters on here can sit in judgement, think they are better supporters for turning up week in week out, call them glory hunters, but that doesn't solve the issue.

If you are wanting Joe Average to part with £17 every week, just being in League 2 isn't enough. All the arguments about outperforming our budget, whilst true, aren't enough. What has been trotted out at the Globe over the last few years has been almost universally crap, and it feels like it's getting worse.

People have put up with it for long enough, have voted with their feet, and will take a lot of persuading to come back, and every rubbish performance makes persuading them more difficult.

Just look at the board - this should be one of the most exciting periods in the clubs history and we're all miserable as sin because we're watching such absolute pish every other week.

[shrimpinho]

Spot on MG.

To add to that... at the moment, we are essentially asking people (who have had enough and are unwilling to pay for the garbage that has been shown over the last few seasons) to wait it out till January and a. hope that there will be an increase in playing budget, b. hope that Jim can turn it around with (if we get one) it. I do admire people's continued faith but it seems like a growing number of people are finally losing it.

[parceldave]

Yeh good post Geek.

[Christies Child]

Have to agree....excellent post by mg

[George Dawes]

yes, credit where it's due, great post by morecambegeek sums up exactly how I feel and many more in the hundreds we've lost since the move.

[halftimeresults]

Great post by MG

[marky No.1]

Sounds harsh, if not brutal, but it is true.
Not many people like hearing the truth.

Big question now is will there be change and not just 3p.

[Seasider9601]

I've been up to watch Kendal Town play tonight.

Good to see a home team in full control, attacking constantly and entertaining their (albeit small) fan base.

Charlie Bailey in great form and everyone went home happy.

[SupermarketShrimp]

I do love it when fans throw their toys out of the pram like this.

Morecambe Football Club has never been relegated and in essence has only ever had continued success.

The minute the going has got tough, and we are in essence Icarus flying too close to the sun, everyone runs for the hills.

Thank god for the loyal ones, whatever happens, there will be a football club in the town of some description.

[Seasider9601]

I'm certainly not running for the hills.

I'm not deserting my club.

I will attend all games even if we were to be relegated through the system and end up in the North West Counties League.

Your club is for life - not just Wembley and the visit of Newcastle United.

COYS

[SupermarketShrimp]

So John boy, would you come back if the team started winning, or godforbid getting promoted under the management of Jim Bentley.Fans of Exeter have 466 pages of trying to get rid of Tisdale,yet our fans compare our manager with him.Tisdale has a lot bigger squad and larger catchment area and yet we are still above Exeter.Before we moved to the new ground we were asked how we wanted the ground to be built and and what to be included,but all that was ignored and now we are reaping the benefit's or lack of,high prices and very tight budgets/advertising and and strained relationship with fans.Now with a new regime,who will be looking at all parts of the club and seeing what's needed can you not give Jim and the team till January to get things sorted and if they can't fair enough, but till then keep supporting our team.

A lot of people would come back if the team started winning or actually playing to a standard that was worth watching.

Some might call not turning up to watch this shower of piss every other week disloyal, but lots of the casual fans, the ones we need to turn up more often than not, simply have found better things to do with their time rather than spend £17 week after week to walk away bitterly dissapointed more often than not.

I'd a season ticket since the year Twiss signed up to the start of this season. Had enough after last season, went to a few matches at the start of this seasonand enjoyed it, we started to play crap again and I don't miss spending an hour and a half of my Saturday regretting turning up.

5 home wins in the league this calendar year. It's shit.

So in summary, now we are no longer a big fish in a small pond and skint you don't give a monkeys anymore.

[RapidShrimp]

After that great post from MG, I just still can't believe how many people are still saying the word "loyal." This is NOT all about loyalty! This is about people just getting fed up of spending hundreds of pounds a season to see Jim slump in the dugout and the players running around like headless chickens! Whether you like it or not, people are upping and leaving (potentially never returning) and there needs to be a change. However loyal people are, this is a lot of money we're talking about and most would and never will be able to go to an away game. It doesn't matter how well we do on the road (even if we got into league 1) people wouldn't go out of their way to spend £17 to most likely see their team lose. It's sad but we need a change.

[SupermarketShrimp]

After that great post from MG, I just still can't believe how many people are still saying the word "loyal." This is NOT all about loyalty! This is about people just getting fed up of spending hundreds of pounds a season to see Jim slump in the dugout and the players running around like headless chickens! Whether you like it or not, people are upping and leaving (potentially never returning) and there needs to be a change. However loyal people are, this is a lot of money we're talking about and most would and never will be able to go to an away game. It doesn't matter how well we do on the road (even if we got into league 1) people wouldn't go out of their way to spend £17 to most likely see their team lose. It's sad but we need a change.

Great, have you got a million quid or so?

[RapidShrimp]

I'm not saying I'm stopping coming, just I can see why people are and they have every right to with that kind of performance.

[morecambegeek]

So in summary, now we are no longer a big fish in a small pond and skint you don't give a monkeys anymore.

Not what I said at all. I said I'm sick, and believe a lot of others are too, of the rubbish standard of football Bentley is serving up at the Globe.

Look down your nose at me all you like, and pat yourself on the back for being so loyal, but your post exactly underlines the point I'm making, and doesn't solve anything.

Explain, if you will, why exactly those that are not "loyal" to Morecambe should continue to turn up at the GLobe and watch the rubbish that passes for football there.

[Shrimpy]

Explain, if you will, why exactly those that are not "loyal" to Morecambe should continue to turn up at the GLobe and watch the rubbish that passes for football there.

I suppose the argument would be that despite the fact it's utter garbage this is the best we can possibly put on the field with the budget we have and that we wouldn't get a manager who could operate within these constraints any better than Jim Bentley.

Those who support Bentley would argue that he's the best man for the job and any replacement we could realistically get would actually be worse in terms of results and quality of player he could bring to the club.

The bottom line is that without an increase in the playing budget we wouldn't be able to:

a) attract a better manager than Jim Bentley
b) attract better players than we currently have

So ultimately, yes it's absolutely shockingly shit at the moment and no one will disagree with you there but absolutely shockingly shit is the best we can hope for.

[Phil Anderer]

Explain, if you will, why exactly those that are not "loyal" to Morecambe should continue to turn up at the GLobe and watch the rubbish that passes for football there.

I suppose the argument would be that despite the fact it's utter garbage this is the best we can possibly put on the field with the budget we have and that we wouldn't get a manager who could operate within these constraints any better than Jim Bentley.

Those who support Bentley would argue that he's the best man for the job and any replacement we could realistically get would actually be worse in terms of results and quality of player he could bring to the club.

The bottom line is that without an increase in the playing budget we wouldn't be able to:

a) attract a better manager than Jim Bentley
b) attract better players than we currently have

So ultimately, yes it's absolutely shockingly shit at the moment and no one will disagree with you there but absolutely shockingly shit is the best we can hope for.

That's going to bring the floaters back, isn't it? Seriously though, as I've said on the Coventry prediction thread, Mrs A & I would rather install our new kitchen this weekend than fork out for seats to watch another dire performance. We will, however, continue to attend home league matches as we are season ticket holders. I think there is a difference between loyalty and blind loyalty. If we were all blindly loyal and crowds weren't dropping, would the management realise just how bad things were? I don't think it's fair to criticise those who say they are giving up on the club given what's being served up on the field. For most of us without contacts at the club it's the only way to get the message across of how thoroughly disappointed we are at the moment. These hints/suggestions that there might not actually be any more money coming only makes matters worse. The problem is, most of us have seen the players who are turning out and playing so poorly at the moment play much better, even this season, so that I think does give real cause for complaint, as well as concern. A little less 'holier than thou' and a little more understanding might go down better.

[Shrimpy]

That's going to bring the floaters back, isn't it?

Of course it won't but as Posh has said elsewhere "we're f**ked".

If, for the sake of argument, we say that Jim is the best manager we can afford / attract and the current set of players are the best we can afford / attract and getting rid of Jim would actually see things get worse than they are now then what can the club actually do to improve things?

Nothing.

We're f**ked.

[Freez]

It's not a good situation for any fan.
And it may well get better but could get worse before it does.
We have no money, we cannot buy a win at the Globe.
While we are in this predicament, we need to take a leaf out of Christie the Cats book and back the team, whether at the match or on here.
We all want us to do well and take pleasure in us winning, nobody can win every game but one would be nice, starting with Coventry. Please???

Wins will get people onside and interested again, but to do that the negative cycle has to be broken on the pitch and terraces!!
Here is hoping.

[SupermarketShrimp]

So in summary, now we are no longer a big fish in a small pond and skint you don't give a monkeys anymore.

Not what I said at all. I said I'm sick, and believe a lot of others are too, of the rubbish standard of football Bentley is serving up at the Globe.

Look down your nose at me all you like, and pat yourself on the back for being so loyal, but your post exactly underlines the point I'm making, and doesn't solve anything.

Explain, if you will, why exactly those that are not "loyal" to Morecambe should continue to turn up at the GLobe and watch the rubbish that passes for football there.

You probably go to more than I do, I go when I can in my life. I'm always going to be a Morecambe fan. I listen every week on player, knowing 9/10 we will probably get beat this season.

It's seasons like this you back the club back its management and players so you can enjoy the highs. The football is shit because the players are probably the worst in the division. The fact Jim gets them to 50 points is remarkable.

People really need to look at the positives to be honest. If you don't want to go, that's fine, but wake up and realise that it's because you're doing it on a glory hunting mission and will return when we are winning. Doesn't make you a bad person. Just don't kid yourself. When we finished 4th the football was the most agricultural style you could imagine, it was horrible, but we gave zero fucks as we won most week.s

[SupermarketShrimp]

Explain, if you will, why exactly those that are not "loyal" to Morecambe should continue to turn up at the GLobe and watch the rubbish that passes for football there.

I suppose the argument would be that despite the fact it's utter garbage this is the best we can possibly put on the field with the budget we have and that we wouldn't get a manager who could operate within these constraints any better than Jim Bentley.

Those who support Bentley would argue that he's the best man for the job and any replacement we could realistically get would actually be worse in terms of results and quality of player he could bring to the club.

The bottom line is that without an increase in the playing budget we wouldn't be able to:

a) attract a better manager than Jim Bentley
b) attract better players than we currently have

So ultimately, yes it's absolutely shockingly shit at the moment and no one will disagree with you there but absolutely shockingly shit is the best we can hope for.

This is the exact point. So you either fight or you sack it off as a bad idea. Me, I'd prefer to fight for it.

[SupermarketShrimp]

It's not a good situation for any fan.
And it may well get better but could get worse before it does.
We have no money, we cannot buy a win at the Globe.
While we are in this predicament, we need to take a leaf out of Christie the Cats book and back the team, whether at the match or on here.
We all want us to do well and take pleasure in us winning, nobody can win every game but one would be nice, starting with Coventry. Please???

Wins will get people onside and interested again, but to do that the negative cycle has to be broken on the pitch and terraces!!
Here is hoping.

That side is good enough to stay up. I'm confident in that, and as ever, it's all we can feasibly hope for until we have someone who can spend some brass they don't expect to get back.

[morecambegeek]

People really need to look at the positives to be honest.

What positives? Some people want to turn up and watch a decent football match. What positives for them?

I asked you to explain why you think the casual fan should turn up week in, week out, to watch a team who can't defend and who appear to be getting worse with every match rather than showing any kind of improvement?

As I said, you can call me a glory hunter all you like, but I stopped enjoying it a long time ago. I still support Morecambe, I want them to do well, but I don't enjoy it any more. I, and may others, fail to see why we should continue to pay to do something we are starting to hate.

It's all very well about talking about backs to the wall and a fight - but if the players are showing no appetite for the fight, if the management are incapable of turning things round, why do the supporter have to put up with it week in week out?

You say you don't go to every match - how many matches have you been to this season/last season? Your reasons for not going are your business, but listening isn't the same as going, nor walking away from the ground questioning why you paid £17 to watch that garbage again.

[Shrimpy]

why do the supporter have to put up with it week in week out?

Other than win more games what do you feel the club isn't doing that is contributing to you not attending?

Sacking the manager? Signing new players?

[Seasider9601]

why do the supporter have to put up with it week in week out?

Other than win more games what do you feel the club isn't doing that is contributing to you not attending?

Sacking the manager? Signing new players?

Improving facilities ???

Making the bar a "football fan" bar ??