So before all the hate commences following tonight

[Christies Child]

Don't disagree about the youth players. Wonder if it is worth the expense of a youth team at our level...even if we get a grant. It still costs us....

[Sakhalin Shrimp]

Exactly what we said about Charlie Bailey last season.

And Cowperthwaite
And Mwasile
And Parkinson
And Bondswell
And McGee
etc etc etc

I don't care about any glowing reviews players get from playing in the youth team until I see some evidence we're actually producing players good enough to play higher than Conference North.

Or in Charlie's case, Evo-Stik League 1st Division North.

Bondswell seems to have sunk without trace. Can't find any current season reference to him anywhere.

I believe Niall Cowperthwaite is working at the gym at the Netherwood hotel in Grange.

[Sam]

I think we should sign Ryan Heaney on a 6 month deal and let him bag the 30 goals we need to stay up!

[mfcbro]

Sorry i just couldnt resist making a comeback.I believe C.C. we played youth against Cambridge last season as you were banging on about themJust remind me of the result.As usual you cant remember your post after a day or two.I think if my memory serves me right it was 7-0
Quote C.C.
"Until our management give players like Hedley an opportunity of some first team action, we will never know if they have what it takes. The same applies to Massanka. To judge a player purely on his performance on the training ground we will never know if they have what it takes.

The manager made a big mistake in not using the EFL Cup games to give players like the above an opportunity to demonstrate their capabilities or otherwise.

Players such as Ryan Giggs at 17 where given an opportunity and took it both both feet and the rest is history.

Give 'em a go....a few of our regulars need a kick up their backsides to show that their starting places are not certain...despite what they may have done in the past, ie Kevin E....an excellent servant but way past his prime and more suited as an impact sub.

Of course the manager will continue to pick the tried, tested and in some cases past their best players instead of throwing down the gauntlet to our young guns."

[mrpotatohead]

thats because he knows we are in a big mess with precious little talent and nothing in the ''dry powder keg'' for january, so he's having to rely on experience, thats ''Nearly, but not really'' working.


The club is screwed through lack of investment in talent, simple.

[parkyboy]

Only 6 points ,2 wins , off play off place

[Christies Child]

Sorry i just couldnt resist making a comeback.I believe C.C. we played youth against Cambridge last season as you were banging on about themJust remind me of the result.As usual you cant remember your post after a day or two.I think if my memory serves me right it was 7-0
Quote C.C.
"Until our management give players like Hedley an opportunity of some first team action, we will never know if they have what it takes. The same applies to Massanka. To judge a player purely on his performance on the training ground we will never know if they have what it takes.

The manager made a big mistake in not using the EFL Cup games to give players like the above an opportunity to demonstrate their capabilities or otherwise.

Players such as Ryan Giggs at 17 where given an opportunity and took it both both feet and the rest is history.

Give 'em a go....a few of our regulars need a kick up their backsides to show that their starting places are not certain...despite what they may have done in the past, ie Kevin E....an excellent servant but way past his prime and more suited as an impact sub.

Of course the manager will continue to pick the tried, tested and in some cases past their best players instead of throwing down the gauntlet to our young guns."

Welcome back....

IF giving game time to the likes of Hedley and Massanka is classed as giving youth a go and then comparing their inclusion with the Cambridge result is the way you see it, then there's nothing I can say to change your thinking.

It would be interesting to see what your suggestions are as to what the management should do, but as you are so close to them it's probably asking too much.....

We all know that a lack of funds is the dominant factor in our current demise, but that shouldn't deter us from playing attacking football at The Globe rather than the sterile stuff that is driving fans away and is having a serious effect on the clubs finances.

We started the season like a house on fire resulting in a Manager of the Month Award and rightly so to the manager. What has changed from the bright and entertaining football we all enjoyed just a few months back...

[Shrimpy]

We started the season like a house on fire resulting in a Manager of the Month Award and rightly so to the manager. What has changed from the bright and entertaining football we all enjoyed just a few months back...

The players didn't get paid and then saw their best player, team mate and friend get flogged to Preston so that they could receive their wages.

I'd say personally if that happened in my work place it would be fairly demoralising!

[Christies Child]

Don't put the blame on our demise that's been going on from the beginning of October on the lack of payment in November.

Our fall from the heady heights at the top of League 2 is an annual event....the question is Why...

[KenH]

We started the season like a house on fire resulting in a Manager of the Month Award and rightly so to the manager. What has changed from the bright and entertaining football we all enjoyed just a few months back...

The players didn't get paid and then saw their best player, team mate and friend get flogged to Preston so that they could receive their wages.

The rot had set in long before then - Last half of September and all October were pretty dire.

Same happens every year - start off well with fluid play and then "something" changes and it ends up hoof-balling it from the back as the only tactic, staying back to defend but still leaking goals. It's the same every year.

[Christies Child]

We started the season like a house on fire resulting in a Manager of the Month Award and rightly so to the manager. What has changed from the bright and entertaining football we all enjoyed just a few months back...

The players didn't get paid and then saw their best player, team mate and friend get flogged to Preston so that they could receive their wages.

The rot had set in long before then - Last half of September and all October were pretty dire.

Same happens every year - start off well with fluid play and then "something" changes and it ends up hoof-balling it from the back as the only tactic, staying back to defend but still leaking goals. It's the same every year.

BUT WHY.......

[mfcbro]

What planet are you on ?when we were top of the league we had plenty of full fit players and a training ground that was fit to play on.Now we have lost barkhuizen.kenyon.flemming.dunn.whitmore.Murphy for most of the season.Wildig been missing most of season.Winnard not been fit for most of the season.How manydo you want me to name.No money all season which you now understand.maybe not.Cuts in the budget for the last 5 seasons and yet you cut no slack.All facts not excuses.

[parkyboy]

Well said MFCBRO

[Christies Child]

What planet are you on ?when we were top of the league we had plenty of full fit players and a training ground that was fit to play on.Now we have lost barkhuizen.kenyon.flemming.dunn.whitmore.Murphy for most of the season.Wildig been missing most of season.Winnard not been fit for most of the season.How manydo you want me to name.No money all season which you now understand.maybe not.Cuts in the budget for the last 5 seasons and yet you cut no slack.All facts not excuses.

I accept all that you have said about the above players missing at one time or another. My point is that in situations like that Jim should have been giving the likes of Hedley and Massanka sufficient game time to see if they had what it takes. The treatment of Massanka in particular is questionable especially it is claimed that we face a penalty from Burnley if he doesn't get enough time on the field. If Jim has deemed him not up to standard, then OK. Send the guy back to his parent club.

With regards to Barks, he's only been gone a couple of weeks so he was part of the team that has for some reason gone downhill since Jim won MoM.

What nobody seems to understand is why after such an excellent start we go downhill as per previous seasons. I'm sure Jim is as baffled as us all, but something obviously changes.....you agree

[Seasider9601]

The treatment of Massanka in particular is questionable especially it is claimed that we face a penalty from Burnley if he doesn't get enough time on the field.

Was that not just from Liverpool regarding Jack Dunn ?

Not seen any mention of Burnley imposing such a penalty ?

[mfcbro]

CC Quote:"What nobody seems to understand is why after such an excellent start we go downhill as per previous seasons. I'm sure Jim is as baffled as us all, but something obviously changes.....you agree"The only constant is they state of the training ground.Go and have a look and we havent had any really bad weather yet.Not able to train on grass vertually from October to March give or take an odd day has a massive effect on players.As for Massanka the bits i have seen him play,not for me.Big lad who doesnt compete.

[Christies Child]

CC Quote:"What nobody seems to understand is why after such an excellent start we go downhill as per previous seasons. I'm sure Jim is as baffled as us all, but something obviously changes.....you agree"The only constant is they state of the training ground.Go and have a look and we havent had any really bad weather yet.Not able to train on grass vertually from October to March give or take an odd day has a massive effect on players.As for Massanka the bits i have seen him play,not for me.Big lad who doesnt compete.

Let's assume that the training ground is not up to standard for the majority of the season. Why therefore was so much money spent on a perimeter fence funded in the main by supporters if the club knew of its problems? Surely those who paid for the fence could have been warned about it and put the money elsewhere.

I for one feel that a return to Preston is the only logical move going forward as there appears to be little if any suitable areas to develop in the town or close to, suitable for a training ground.

If as you suggest Massanka isn't up to it, then he should be sent back to Burnley. What's the point of being on the bench just to make the numbers up if its deemed that he's not good enough.

[Freez]

So Training starts in June, its been unplayable at Turners Field for the past two weeks because of torrential rain in Morecambe (must have a better climate in Storth??) and the training ground is unusable for most of the season???

Sometimes you really do shoot yourself in the foot don't you?
They have had 5 months use, two weeks no use??? DOH!

Its not ideal, but it didn't drain well in the 70's when I was at school, however, more investment instead of paying for expensive facilities which are no better at Preston would be the sensible way forward. Problem one was public access to the training ground, which the completed fence has hopefully stopped.
Then Ken wont have to trog round every day picking up dog mess. And the players don't feel like nomads anymore as they train together in the area, eat together and have a laugh and chat afterwards not all meet up at a hired facility then slope off after a shower!!

Just talk to the players in the bar, people like Flemo will tell you its better now than it was, and bit by bit, despite the financial constraints, a lot of people behind the scenes are putting a lot of time into it.

But that doesn't matter when there is an ill informed opinion from a keyboard warrior who has the all the answers!!!


Drainage and soil condition are being tackled, but other things like money keep getting in the way.

[Christies Child]

Freez it was mfcbro who said that Turners was virtually unusable from October until March...that's 6 months of a season.

Not living near Turners or even Morecambe I've no way of knowing IF IT IS or IS NOT usable and can only go by what in this case mfcbro has posted.

I think it's mfcbro you should be challenging about what he claimed.

[mrpotatohead]

You are now suggesting you think Massanka isn't ''up to it'' CC, you were clamouring for him to be selected a few weeks ago, are 2 people using your I.D?

[Keith]

You are now suggesting you think Massanka isn't ''up to it'' CC, you were clamouring for him to be selected a few weeks ago, are 2 people using your I.D?

TBF...

If Jim has deemed him not up to standard, then OK. Send the guy back to his parent club.

CC is more than capable of getting people's dander flowing with the things he actually says without misquoting him!