O/T Brexit

[Christies Child]

Just wondered how others on here feel about an unelected EU Official dictating terms of our Brexit negotiations before they even start.

I voted to stay but I can understand how many are totally against the EU unelected commission who appear to dictate how the EU countries have to operate.

[Wild Bill]

Just wondered how others on here feel about an unelected EU Official dictating terms of our Brexit negotiations

About as impressed as I am with an unelected PM also trying dictating terms with our biggest trading partner.

[Gone_Shrimping]

Just wondered how others on here feel about an unelected EU Official dictating terms of our Brexit negotiations

About as impressed as I am with an unelected PM also trying dictating terms with our biggest trading partner.

We don't elect Prime Ministers , we elect MPs and whoever has the most MPs select a leader who is the Prime Minister.

[marky]

Just wondered how others on here feel about an unelected EU Official dictating terms of our Brexit negotiations before they even start.

I voted to stay but I can understand how many are totally against the EU unelected commission who appear to dictate how the EU countries have to operate.

That's his job and he was basically providing the collective response as requested by all the remaining members. I don't know if you noticed, but only 1 of our 4 member negotiating team is an elected offical...

[Phil Anderer]

Unelected officials might actually be better qualified than someone elected with no appropriate qualifications or experience. Like you Neil, I voted to stay in, but the situation is what it is thanks to a small majority, and we have to make the best fist of it we can. I'm not as frightened as some, and I think we can stand on our own feet quite well, but I do think it's the wrong decision and we won't be as well off as we would have been staying in. I'm not a Bremoaner though, so let's get on with it and sort it out as best we can.

[Westgate Wanderer]

Can we have a Bexit?

[Posh]

Just wondered how others on here feel about an unelected EU Official dictating terms of our Brexit negotiations before they even start.

I voted to stay but I can understand how many are totally against the EU unelected commission who appear to dictate how the EU countries have to operate.

For two reasons that is utter nonsense.

The first is that the "unelected European Commission" is effectively Europe's civil service. In the UK the civil service isn't elected and is seen as independent. In Europe the commissioners are appointed by elected governments so at least there is some democratic accountability. In the EU legislation is proposed by the elected leaders of national governments, passed to commissioners to turn into legislation, which is then scrutinized and passed or not by the European Parliament. Additionally, on certain issues, national governments can veto that decision. If anything the EU is more democratic than the UK with its unelected head of state and second chamber (and Prime Minister!).

Secondly, the EU has every right to dictate the terms. Let's say I joined the Jubilee Working Men's Club and I'd paid in my subs for years but constantly moaned about access to the snooker tables, complained because someone from Bare got elected as Chairman and lied constantly to his wife at home about bent darts and non-fizzy tonic. So when I then leave the rules say sod off, you can't have your subs back and you have to pay treble to store your snooker cue, well tough. You wanted to leave. Argue with the 27 members of the committee and see how you get on,

Before long we'll be the homeless bloke scrounging a pint outside Weatherspoons and whose Scottish wife has left him and now with a younger model down the Jubilee.

[mrpotatohead]

Even me, your staunchest ally, fail to see the logic in your post ''PC'', You voted to stay in, but you now don't agree how they run things?

Peter Mcguigan was voted in as chairman of the local football team and look how that has ended up

[Wild Bill]

Just wondered how others on here feel about an unelected EU Official dictating terms of our Brexit negotiations

About as impressed as I am with an unelected PM also trying dictating terms with our biggest trading partner.

We don't elect Prime Ministers , we elect MPs and whoever has the most MPs select a leader who is the Prime Minister.

In theory you are correct, but in reality, whoever is running for PM has a very large influence on how local constituencies vote as well as overall results. If TM had any real respect for democracy she'd get her best Brexit deal on the table then call a general election.

[mrpotatohead]

wether people vote for the party, or party leader, in an election is debateable, but it is beyond doubt that a PM voted in mid term is not the choice of the electorate.

[marky]

She wasn't even voted for by her own party membership. Tory MPs pretty much conspired to leave her as the only candidate and winner by default.