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Postby Keith » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:24 pm

Hmmm... from that freeze frame, I don't think there's any point in appealing because you can understand the ref's 'interpretation' from that angle. If both feet are off the ground, then you are 'out of control'. In that case, the FA will back the ref :cry:
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Postby broadwayshrimp » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:08 pm

Though it pains me to say it, credit where credit's due. On this performance Accy look a good side and I would expect them to be up there challenging for a play off place come the end of the season. If it wasn't for some wayward finishing and good saves by Baz the score could have been much worse.
That said there were some key moments in the game and how the ref didn't give a penalty when McGowan went down god only knows. I know it's very early in the season but my concern at the moment is that we have always got off to a good start each season and bagged most of our points early on. I just hope with the squad we've got that we can sustain a level of performance and pick up enough points throughout the season to stave off any relegation fears.
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Postby black morse » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:10 pm

Looks a red to me but you'd need to see it from all angles. Certainly both feet of the ground and a forceful lunge. We'll never get that recinded.
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Postby Freez » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:28 pm

I don't believe the club are going to challenge the decision simply because the camera angle makes it look worse. All of us on the main stand side saw it in real time and and it didn't look in anyway like that.
The second goal, Jackson was marginally off, and it's millimetres but it's very tight when it's headed to him and the liner isn't in line, so you can see why he hasn't flagged.

Accy played well, we battled well and with time to gel, Oliver, Thommo Campbell and MCGurk could have potential.
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Postby George Dawes » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:16 pm

just seen Accys first goal, I first thought Barry could have moved across better but having seen it again now maybe te thought it was going wide of the post?

after H/T swapping ends the Stanley Fan were straight on Barry's case, I heard one Stanley fan shout out (Barry Roche Acrrngton Stanley's lucky Mascot) followed by laughter from the other Stanley fans.
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Postby ChrisC » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:23 pm

I wasn't there today but have seen all the previous games that Oliver has played at the globe and my thoughts after the first two games were that "he's got a few sendings off in him"
I don't think he is a dirty player but his tackles seem so,ewhat clumsy. Agree the freeze frame makes it look unarguable.
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Postby Christies Child » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:12 pm

Unless we change our tactics and get rid of the persistent use of the long ball with no apparent plan B then it's going to be a long hard season.

Oliver needs to have someone working alongside of him but it appears that that's not our game plan. It looks a red to me having seen the still but have to say that the ref gave every 50:50 decision to Stanley who to be fair played well and played it mainly on the ground.

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Postby halfwayprawn » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:46 pm

We should have been beaten by 5 goals.Well played Accy.
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Postby Westgate Wanderer » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:53 am

Christies Child wrote:Unless we change our tactics and get rid of the persistent use of the long ball with no apparent plan B then it's going to be a long hard season.

Oliver needs to have someone working alongside of him but it appears that that's not our game plan. It looks a red to me having seen the still but have to say that the ref gave every 50:50 decision to Stanley who to be fair played well and played it mainly on the ground.

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I would like to know what plan A is? Doing our best not to lose? Until Olivier was sent off the ref was average, but we should have been behind by more than one at that point to a well organised Accy side. Clear penalty when Aaron had his back leg kicked from under him. The linesman should have seen it but he didn't now which way to flag for any throw-ins until the ref indicated! My main worry is a total lack of attempts at goal or any wide play or any pressure on the opposing sides goal. At the moment we have a very feeble goal threat. How Thommo didn't get mom is a strange one, one of the oldest players but did more running and harrassing than anyone else
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Postby accybeme » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:25 am

(from an accy fans prospective) thought we were much the better team first half could have been four goal up at half time, on the sending off which was right in front of us in the main stand Oliver was out of control a one foot lunge with both feet off the ground so no argument the red, then down to 10 men they seemed to double their commitment chased every ball down, they had a big shout for a penalty at the far end which from our position was impossible to see, thought we got a host of decisions go our way from the ref. that was a big change, then the ever green big Kev gets on the score sheet bless him, as yonmon said the game looks completely different to each set of supporters I guess we are all bios when we watch our team play,
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Postby BerlinWaller » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:41 am

I have just sat through Coley's post match interview and you can not help notice the difference from the stuff we normally hear. 10pts from 15 is satisfactory, keep this up and we will get promoted and not happy with just the two goals, should have been 6 up.
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Postby Gone_Shrimping » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:44 am

accybeme wrote:(from an accy fans prospective) thought we were much the better team first half could have been four goal up at half time, on the sending off which was right in front of us in the main stand Oliver was out of control a one foot lunge with both feet off the ground so no argument the red, then down to 10 men they seemed to double their commitment chased every ball down, they had a big shout for a penalty at the far end which from our position was impossible to see, thought we got a host of decisions go our way from the ref. that was a big change, then the ever green big Kev gets on the score sheet bless him, as yonmon said the game looks completely different to each set of supporters I guess we are all bios when we watch our team play,



The ref ignored 2 nailed on penalties. The first was a blatant handball which played the ball back to the keeper and the second was when McGowan was tripped on the right side of the area. Although we didn't deserve much those decisions could have changed the match. You will have to get a better keeper than the replacement one , he was shocking.
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Postby BerlinWaller » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:47 am

It is amazing how quick football changes. A two footed lunge was a straight red but now a one footed lunge can get you sent off. Oliver looks very much in control and makes a clear attempt to win the ball. The only rule broken is by Accrington with the hounding of the Ref.
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Postby Morecambe Jack » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:55 am

Atrocious referring yet again, I have never been more confident of a penalty decision as the one on McGowan and equally the handball one would have definitely been given had it been at the other end.

That aside, the game should have been much closer to 5-1 to Accy than 2-2. One shot in target in the game according to the BBC which is really poor.
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Postby Little Shrimp » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:45 am

broadwayshrimp wrote:I know it's very early in the season but my concern at the moment is that we have always got off to a good start each season and bagged most of our points early on. I just hope with the squad we've got that we can sustain a level of performance and pick up enough points throughout the season to stave off any relegation fears.


I had the same ominous feeling too. However, most years Jim manages to get his tight squad assembled early on, often with the aid of loan signings from the back end of the previous season becoming permanent (Wildig, Conlan, Devitt, Stockton, Edwards, Barkhuizen off the top of my head) which has often given our squad a full summer to gel properly. This recent window has gone a bit differently with Jim adding players over the length of the summer, with more players signing on in August than usual, Max Muller coming in pretty late and then two deadline day signings. I think (hope!) that this will have helped add a bit more quality in depth in the squad which should hopefully see us through the whole season. Hopefully just in need of a bit more gel time.
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Postby Christies Child » Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:07 pm

Problem for me is that on the evidence of yesterday we are a long way off being a contender for even a play off place. This will not popular but for me Accy looked streets ahead of us in team work and style.
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Postby black morse » Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:13 pm

Christies Child wrote:Problem for me is that on the evidence of yesterday we are a long way off being a contender for even a play off place. This will not popular but for me Accy looked streets ahead of us in team work and style.


After last seasons traumas on and off the field I'm not even thinking about a play off place and will be very happy with a mid table position. Jim says that this summer has been his hardest in bringing players in that he has targeted so let's not get carried away with our expectations just yet.
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Postby George Dawes » Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:30 pm

black morse wrote:
Christies Child wrote:Problem for me is that on the evidence of yesterday we are a long way off being a contender for even a play off place. This will not popular but for me Accy looked streets ahead of us in team work and style.


After last seasons traumas on and off the field I'm not even thinking about a play off place and will be very happy with a mid table position. Jim says that this summer has been his hardest in bringing players in that he has targeted so let's not get carried away with our expectations just yet.

same here.

for me our priority must be HOME FORM, it's been ongoing for nearly six seasons now, and it would be nice for a change if all our best football what's played away from home every season, for once have our home form keeping us in L2

its where most of our own fans watch Morecambe and difference in gate recipts and going bankrupt.
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Postby steve mfc » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:47 pm

Well I suppose we shouldn't be the least bit surprised with what transpired yesterday, if we were to have a game where a referee was going to make such awful decisions against us then of course it would have to be against them and of course the usual performance.

For once the preseason was a good guide of what we would see in the season proper, we don't look as fluid or effective going forward as in previous years the lack of chance's created in the games so far is a real worry, accy looked like a team yesterday where as we looked like a bunch of strangers playing together for the first time, lets hope it is just a question of time before the team gels.
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Postby parceldave » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:50 pm

Westgate Wanderer wrote:
Christies Child wrote:Unless we change our tactics and get rid of the persistent use of the long ball with no apparent plan B then it's going to be a long hard season.

Oliver needs to have someone working alongside of him but it appears that that's not our game plan. It looks a red to me having seen the still but have to say that the ref gave every 50:50 decision to Stanley who to be fair played well and played it mainly on the ground.

:( :( :(
I would like to know what plan A is? Doing our best not to lose? Until Olivier was sent off the ref was average, but we should have been behind by more than one at that point to a well organised Accy side. Clear penalty when Aaron had his back leg kicked from under him. The linesman should have seen it but he didn't now which way to flag for any throw-ins until the ref indicated! My main worry is a total lack of attempts at goal or any wide play or any pressure on the opposing sides goal. At the moment we have a very feeble goal threat. How Thommo didn't get mom is a strange one, one of the oldest players but did more running and harrassing than anyone else


Totally agree with that assessment , i think even in the game we won that Cheltenham had more shots on goal. I think the changing position of our players confuses them more than it does the opposition and because they close us down that much quicker then we revert to the long ball passing out of panic. No excuses now about squad size, Jim needs to find his best 11 and pretty quick before we get left behind ,
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