Morecambe 0 Crawley 1 LIVE iFollow Thread

[BerlinWaller]

As for upsetting people who do not share my views, give your head a wobble John.

Wow, you really are quite a troll behind your keyboard! It's remarks like yours that makes these forums a sour place. How about leaving the popcorn in the cupboard and having a decent discussion with parkyboy instead of being, as I said, condescending (not upsetting).

The thing is John, I agree with what Parkyboy was saying. The popcorn comment was because i knew that he would become a target for the vocal minority who can see no fault whatsoever with Jimbo.

A troll? Far from it i am afraid. I think you have taken issue with a couple of my comments in other posts.

[Keith]

If Kev actually did anything wrong, he should be dropped for the rest of the season.

I've got no idea where that quote came from, but I can categorically state that it wasn't what I said

What I actually said was:

If we'd played like this from the first minute, I think we'd have battered a dreadful Crawley. But until Kev scored for them, then got himself sent off, we were bloody awful. A forced change in system for the next three games may be a blessing in disguise. Then, I'd make Kev fight for his place back.

[Keith]

A troll? Far from it i am afraid. I think you have taken issue with a couple of my comments in other posts.

A troll? Of course you are. Your popcorn comment was a wind-up/condescending one. No sensible discussion because you've got a one eyed view. Even the fantastic save from their keeper was as a result of a "bad pass" as far as you are concerned. No comment on what should have been a clear red card after their lad went through the back of our player. How many Morecambe players got sent off for less? You think Crawley were a good side? Got to be a wind-up! They were awful. What I actually said was:

Considering Crawley have eleven men, they are as crap as we are with ten!

We probably deserve to be level, or more to the point, Crawley don't deserve to be winning!

Which you interpreted as:

You claim we were worthy of a point...

Clearly, my comment was that Crawley were equally crap. You thought they were Barcelona. But you were watching a different game.

[John L]

As for upsetting people who do not share my views, give your head a wobble John.

Wow, you really are quite a troll behind your keyboard! It's remarks like yours that makes these forums a sour place. How about leaving the popcorn in the cupboard and having a decent discussion with parkyboy instead of being, as I said, condescending (not upsetting).

The thing is John, I agree with what Parkyboy was saying. The popcorn comment was because i knew that he would become a target for the vocal minority who can see no fault whatsoever with Jimbo.

A troll? Far from it i am afraid. I think you have taken issue with a couple of my comments in other posts.

Maybe you'll understand with hindsight how your popcorn comment can be taken in a different way by people who don't know you or how you meant it? If I've taken issue with anything you've said in the past then please be assured it's because of what it was and nothing personal.

[BerlinWaller]

A troll? Far from it i am afraid. I think you have taken issue with a couple of my comments in other posts.

A troll? Of course you are. Your popcorn comment was a wind-up/condescending one. No sensible discussion because you've got a one eyed view. Even the fantastic save from their keeper was as a result of a "bad pass" as far as you are concerned. No comment on what should have been a clear red card after their lad went through the back of our player. How many Morecambe players got sent off for less? You think Crawley were a good side? Got to be a wind-up! They were awful. What I actually said was:

Considering Crawley have eleven men, they are as crap as we are with ten!

We probably deserve to be level, or more to the point, Crawley don't deserve to be winning!

Which you interpreted as:

You claim we were worthy of a point...

Clearly, my comment was that Crawley were equally crap. You thought they were Barcelona. But you were watching a different game.

Not sure where I claim that Crawley were anything like Barca but hey ho Keith, not like you to spout rubbish. Maybe the game does look different from a tv screen rather than being 5 yards from the pitch.

The popcorn comment was a joke, I knew the onslaught that was awaiting parkyboy. He dared to say what a lot of people are thinking but get shot down for saying on here.

No hard feelings John.

[jbcshrimp]

First chance I've had but, I thought tackling from behind and studs showing, as in the one on Oliver was automatic red, never mind refs discretion ?!

[red shrimp]

First chance I've had but, I thought tackling from behind and studs showing, as in the one on Oliver was automatic red, never mind refs discretion ?!

It was a lunge, straight through the back of Oliver. Should have been a red, but once again let down by poor officials.

[Freez]

Im still awaiting the "onslaught" expected by members on here for Parkyboy having an opinion??

Oh that's right, there wasn't one!!

Free speech is Ok as you as long as you agree with the poster?

[red shrimp]

I am surprised there hasn't been an onslaught, as in the past I have made negative comments toward management, and I have pretty much been branded a fool and a troll.

Still time yet.

[Freez]

If we lose at the Pro-Act.........

[fulwoodshrimp]

Supporters often feel uneasy criticising the management team as they are top blokes, loyal and committed to our club but....tactically we seem naive and negative against teams we should beat- Crawley is the latest example- a poor team there for the taking but we gave them too much respect at the start. Players seem unclear about what they are doing- I thought last Saturday on several occasions we won free kicks and no one seemed to know what was happening. I desperately want the management to turn it around but its going to take a lot of basic hard work to develop players playing as a team. The more points we drop and the closer we fall nearer the bottom of the league the more pressure they are under.

[George Dawes]

Im still awaiting the "onslaught" expected by members on here for Parkyboy having an opinion??

Oh that's right, there wasn't one!!

Free speech is Ok as you as long as you agree with the poster?

Parkyboy he's been attacked before though.

Freeze you came in for his defence pointing out to attackers that parkyboy is 80+ years old. as he's one of you fans on shrimpsplayer(I can root the thread out)

the attackers are normally people close to the club or ones go into the bar after games going right out if their way wanting to be best friends with Board Members & Players etc and defending them because they know they read on here and user names.

although to be fair, your pretty decent Freeze, you respect the opinions of others.

[Freez]

Thanks George, I do try and defend the right for anyone to have an opinion even if I don't agree with it.
I do recall Parkyboy being attacked on here now you mention it, we hopefully try and keep the peace, I know there are plenty who have said they do not come on here anymore as it's sometimes very negative or positive depending on your point of view.
However, the opinions on Facebook after last Saturdays defeat became even more vitriolic and personal, as there isn't really anyone moderating those, so those that have left here and prefer that were also complaining that this was the reason they don't post on here anymore!!
Sad state of affairs when we really do all want the best for the club!

It's funny but it goes quiet after a better performance or a win!!

I think Fulwood shrimp makes a fair point. There's will be a time when we won't have Jim n Ken in charge, and I just remember the 70's and 80's when a series of poor appointments resulted in us fighting re-election in the NPL, no money, no players and poor crowds of 200. So while I do understand to a certain extent the clamour for change, I do always remember those times and the series of awful managers who promised the earth and delivered nothing, so be careful what we wish for.

But that's me!

[Keith]

I've got no problem with people having a different opinion to me. I do have a problem, and will challenge people who are only ever negative and can't offer any balance. Offer balance and reasoning, then fine. Last Saturday I said we were "crap" but I also thought that Crawley were equally crap. They should have been down to ten men too, but weren't. Their keeper pulled off a fantastic save. They played against ten men for the majority of the game, but we had more shots on target and more corners. So when some people suggest that Crawley were better than us, and passed the ball around better and didn't see (or acknowledge) the assault on a Morecambe player, and even manage to say that what I saw as a 'fantastic save' was actually a 'poor pass', then yes, it should be challenged.

And when people never actually say what they think we should be achieving with our resources, but think a different random manager would automatically 'do better', rather than accept that they can frequently, actually do even worse, then that needs challenging too.

Yes, I get frustrated when Jim appears to set up to contain a side, rather than go at them. If you want to dig out the posts after the appalling FA Cup defeat to Dagenham & Redbridge, you'll see I was as critical as anyone. We SHOULD be going out to batter sides like Crawley, sod the clean sheet, just score more. But the key goal each season is to finish third from bottom or higher. Jim repeatedly achieves this. That should be recognised... in my opinion.

[al1]

That night against daggers was awful and for me was the performance from which point i lost my faith with the management team i am sorry to say.all in all our home performances over the last 5 seasons have been very poor and this is why we find ourselves struggling to get fans through the gates.this next month including the f a cup is a vital time for us,so lets hope we come through it well!

[Shrimpy]

all in all our home performances over the last 5 seasons have been very poor and this is why we find ourselves struggling to get fans through the gates.

The thing is, I don't think you'll get any argument from the likes of myself and Keith that home performances are crap and that it's the reason why we're losing fans.

The difference being is that we don't think changing the manager will make any difference and would in fact more than likely make things worse.

Yes, our home performances are crap
Yes, losing more often than we win is hard to watch
Yes, crowds are dropping because of our home performances / results
Yes, it's frustrating that year on year we lose the likes of Stockton, Devitt, Miller, Barkhuizen, Edwards

However, nothing that we can reasonably do will fix any of this. We are a smaller than small fish in a relatively very large pond and the only hope we have of any of this getting better is by finding a sugar daddy the likes of Andy Piley. It's not what you want to hear but this is the truth, money makes the world go round and we have none of it, even Accrington have far more than us these days.

I suspect people would be happier with us being in the Conference, being more competitive and finishing in the top half of the table year on year but I don't think even that would be guaranteed unless our crowds increased dramatically.

Without any financial backing at board level the club should really be operating at Conference North level with crowds around the 900 - 1000 mark. This may not be a popular opinion but I'd challenge anyone to prove otherwise. With that in mind I'm happy to "suffer" through losing more than we win and being in a relegation scrap more often than not in exchange for all the positives that come with being part of the Football League.

[marky No.1]

I suspect people would be happier with us being in the Conference, being more competitive and finishing in the top half of the table year on year

If we lost the Football League revenue (which we now pin our hopes on) and lose most of our current players, does anyone really think we would be regularly above the likes of:

Fylde
Eastleigh
Barrow
Leyton Orient
Tranmere
Hartlepool
Halifax
Aldershot
Dover
Wrexham
Macclesfield
Sutton
Woking

I don't

[Shrimpy]

I suspect people would be happier with us being in the Conference, being more competitive and finishing in the top half of the table year on year

If we lost the Football League revenue (which we now pin our hopes on) and lose most of our current players, does anyone really think we would be regularly above the likes of:

Fylde
Eastleigh
Barrow
Leyton Orient
Tranmere
Hartlepool
Halifax
Aldershot
Dover
Wrexham
Macclesfield
Sutton
Woking

I don't

Me either, hence my comment that the clubs natural level so to speak is in the Conference North.

[KenH]

The difference being is that we don't think changing the manager will make any difference and would in fact more than likely make things worse.

I think a lot of fans have the utmost respect for Jim and recognise his loyalty and hard work. That's not in doubt. But, more and more people are questioning his tactics, formation, selection choices, etc., which can often appear strange to say the least. I think that's where the frustration lies. Ideal world scenario for me would be for Jim to open his mind to playing differently, i.e. to go all out for attacking play rather than concentrating on a solid defence and hoping that hoofball and the occasional "stolen" goal from a mistake or whatever will win the occasional game. We're all set up about not losing rather than winning - it's been like that for years and that's the main reason for the frustration. If Jim can't change then I think inevitably we'll have to change managers at some point. I saw about half the Fleetwood reserve match yesterday and it was just so different, i.e. far more attacking - making them worry about us rather than us worrying about them - a very refreshing change. I said to the bloke next to me that Jim should choose that same squad for Saturday and he agreed!

[Freez]

The inherent problem in football is, and with us, is there are 11 players from the opposition who are hell bent on stopping us.

I don't think we set up in 4-2-3-1 as particularly defensive, and that's what we have been starting with recently, and I do think we try and play football, when allowed to. But we are all so one eyed that we forget that the opposing team have an influence on the game just as we try to.

We came good and played well against Newport, some lovely stuff played. We were obdurate against a decent Luton side and arguably could have nicked it late on as they ran out of steam and we didn't.
We went two up top against Crawley with ten men and while we lost, at least we had a go.

I do take the point that our record isn't great at home, however Id like us to be gung ho and have a go every game, but sometimes the other team are decent and don't let us, other times we do and miss chances and it doesn't come off. There is nothing wrong with being able to defend as well as attack, our habit currently is conceding a daft goal and then chasing the game, sometimes with ten!!
Goals change games, we are missing chances one end and then giving them away at the other.

However, its a fair shout to see go all out attack, but if we do leave ourselves wide open, the fans would soon be moaning at 4-0 down at home after 20 minutes ( Which it could have been against ACCY).
So I personally think both sides in this division try and play it cagey for the first 20 minutes and see what happens, its called game management and its the modern way.
If you call that being defensive, then all 24 teams are, initially at least. Its like a cagey chess match, unfortunately we keep sacrificing our Queen a bit early!! (crap metaphor).

Our weakness this season is a daft goal conceded, game chased. Notts County away was thus, nothing between the sides, we missed, they scored, they break away for another late on then we miss two glorious chances!! Frustrating as hell, but we weren't negative IMO.
Actually the game was pretty crap, but getting beat in a crap game is, winning a crap game its 3 points then forgotten.

We have only been hammered at Exeter, we have played a part in all the other games, being positive, Turner looked good last week and nearly had a hat trick yesterday, although it was only Fleetwood reserves, and hopefully McGurk and Thommo back for the weekend. Someone has to take the responsibility from Kev for scoring for the next three fixtures.

I repeat, I'd rather lose 3-2 having a go, but that's just me.

[marky No.1]

Unfortunately, however, it's a results game and we ain't getting any at the moment!

We have a great opportunity over the next 3 weeks to change this, against teams in a similar boat, including an FA Cup tie.

Hopefully missed chances, broken down coaches, poor referees, flooded training grounds, fine lines, bad luck and not getting what we deserved won't come into it

[black morse]

To me the stumbling block against taking the attitude 'we'll score more than you' is that we won't!!!
If you look at the stats of shots we have in a game it's not bad (which means we are not all defensive minded) but the number of goals actually scored is poor. We haven't got a real goalscorer. Kev should not be top scorer every year with the number he scores. The trouble is real goalscorers do not come cheap and, whilst some keep on about plucking gems from lower leagues, every team in the EFL are looking out for young promising goalscorers. What chance do we stand?

[Phil Anderer]

If I can take what Freez said and add my own slant, against Newport and Luton we did appear to go out and attack, and it made for entertaining games. The Luton game really belied the 0-0 scoreline in terms of entertainment. We have, in my time supporting the club, a habit of performing better against better sides, I suspect because they give us more space and allow us to play the way that suits us. Against the poorer sides, they seem to put a lot more effort into closing the man on the ball down, giving him less time to think and plan his next move or pass. This leads to hoofball, as the player under pressure seeks to release the ball rather than lose it. This is, I think, where we need to work on things in training, as I honestly believe the basics and the intent, both from players and management, are there. We simply need to be able to react better when the tougher sides try to shut our play down. I would add, before anybody says anything, that I am not 'in the know' and have never received a freebie. I also accept that I know precious little about football, I just form my opinions based on what I see.

[Christies Child]

Maybe if our manager would be a disciple of that old addage that attack is the best form of defence then the entertainment level would be higher.....which would hopefully attract more through the turnstyles rather than seeing an alarming decline.

[Phil Anderer]

Maybe if our manager would be a disciple of that old addage that attack is the best form of defence then the entertainment level would be higher.....which would hopefully attract more through the turnstyles rather than seeing an alarming decline.

Were you at the Newport and Luton games? Plenty of attack and entertainment on display at both those games