Jim interview post forest green

[MFC-Manc]

https://audioboom.com/posts/6437341-we- ... ation-zone

[Keith]

An honest interview.

[Moose]

On what grounds has the two year extension been given? You seriously think nobody would want the position or the opportunity to give this team a new direction? It's not working, it hasn't worked and it's not going to. That's not from just this season. Maybe it's his set up that is causing the errors.

[broadwayshrimp]

On what grounds has the two year extension been given? You seriously think nobody would want the position or the opportunity to give this team a new direction? It's not working, it hasn't worked and it's not going to. That's not from just this season. Maybe it's his set up that is causing the errors.

Is it a coincidence that Jim's contract extension came at a time when there is talk of new owners coming in. I've posted this elsewhere but I do think Jim was given a contract extension because of the continued uncertainty about the future ownership of the club. Imo it's a thank you to Jim for all his efforts both as a player and manager should any new owner decide to dispense with his services. It certainly can't have been given for entertaining performances or results.

[Bare Grills]

On what grounds has the two year extension been given? You seriously think nobody would want the position or the opportunity to give this team a new direction? It's not working, it hasn't worked and it's not going to. That's not from just this season. Maybe it's his set up that is causing the errors.

Is it a coincidence that Jim's contract extension came at a time when there is talk of new owners coming in. I've posted this elsewhere but I do think Jim was given a contract extension because of the continued uncertainty about the future ownership of the club. Imo it's a thank you to Jim for all his efforts both as a player and manager should any new owner decide to dispense with his services. It certainly can't have been given for entertaining performances or results.

I see the logic in that but it's a very very expensive thank you. Crap performance, crap attendances, less revenue, less attractive to a new buyer. If you want to sell something, you make it look it's best.

[red shrimp]

Broken record! Sick of hearing the same old crap week in week out. NO doubt about it, jim will relegate us. The club needs to wake up. Whoever choice it was to "reward" him with a new contract seriously need to have a look at themselves. I don't blame any fan who doesn't turn up any more. We are dreadful under his leadership and have been for years. JIM OUT!!

[Gone_Shrimping]

We are 2nd to the bottom , Accrington are 2nd to the top.

I understand Accrington's budget may be a bit more than ours but is it 22 places better

[red shrimp]

We are 2nd to the bottom , Accrington are 2nd to the top.

I understand Accrington's budget may be a bit more than ours but is it 22 places better

Because they have a manager who believes In them , a manager that doesn't spout on about fine lines, and punching above our weight. Coleman expects that team to go out and win every game. We go out to not concede n hopefully get a draw. Coleman would get this team up the table In no time , him and Bentley are worlds apart.

[Keith]

Coleman would get this team up the table In no time , him and Bentley are worlds apart.

Just like he did at Rochdale.

[red shrimp]

Coleman would get this team up the table In no time , him and Bentley are worlds apart.

Just like he did at Rochdale.

That's irrelevant. What he's done at Stanley is brilliant! 1 bad season at Rochdale, whereas jims had 5 bad seasons at morecambe.

[BerlinWaller]

Coleman would get this team up the table In no time , him and Bentley are worlds apart.

Just like he did at Rochdale.

So his years of overachieving at Stanley are over shadowed by 1 bad season at Rochdale? Your attempts at polishing a turd are admirable Keith but I think you are pissing in the wind.

[Little Shrimp]

Got to say while I've always found Coleman irritating, I am really beginning to admire him more as a manager. As has been said, he tells his players they are going to win and seems to install a sheer unwavering confidence into the players. I honestly thought after that brief foray into the play-offs with Windass and co. leaving that they'd be back in the doldrums and but now they're bloody second! I can't help but feel that's a lot down to the immense belief that they're going to win every game, rather than the tepid 'try not to lose attitude' we always have.

[BerlinWaller]

Got to say while I've always found Coleman irritating, I am really beginning to admire him more as a manager. As has been said, he tells his players they are going to win and seems to install a sheer unwavering confidence into the players. I honestly thought after that brief foray into the play-offs with Windass and co. leaving that they'd be back in the doldrums and but now they're bloody second! I can't help but feel that's a lot down to the immense belief that they're going to win every game, rather than the tepid 'try not to lose attitude' we always have.

The Acci players would probably run through a brick wall for Coleman and Bell. They are not world beaters or super talented players but they have a manager who makes them feel 10ft tall and lets them play with no fear. Acci don't have a fancy training ground or super facilities at their ground but that isn't an excuse. Yes they have a guy running the club with a few bob but they are not splashing the cash on League 1 footballers. They fish in the same pond as us but Coley finds better players more often thsn Jim does.

Jim on the other hand......

[Freez]

Not really a fair comparison in my eyes.
Accy have had a much improved player budget two seasons running.
When we matched budgets, we matched performances on the pitch.

But that fact doesn't appear to matter??

This is a dire situation, there appears to be few options of a way out, maybe that's rolling the dice with some of the younger players and loanees and being more positive?

But whinging on about Accy again and again aint one of them.

Yes we are in the shit, but we can't change what Accy do anymore than we can only influence our team by our support.

Just saying....

[Gone_Shrimping]

Not really a fair comparison in my eyes.
Accy have had a much improved player budget two seasons running.
When we matched budgets, we matched performances on the pitch.

But that fact doesn't appear to matter??

This is a dire situation, there appears to be few options of a way out, maybe that's rolling the dice with some of the younger players and loanees and being more positive?

But whinging on about Accy again and again aint one of them.

Yes we are in the shit, but we can't change what Accy do anymore than we can only influence our team by our support.

Just saying....

To be fair I acknowledged that Accy's budget will be more than ours is now ( by how much though who know's). Their gate yesterday was only 1,400 and generally their gates are very similar to ours. Their chairman Mr Holt has re-iterated that he only takes commercial decisions when it comes to running Accrington Stanley i.e. not doing things that lose money so on that basis I wouldn't think their budget is massive although bigger than the MFC budget.
To be 2nd in the league above a lot of teams whose budgets will dwarf Accrington's such as Luton , Swindon , Coventry , Mansfield etc is a feather in Coley's cap.

[Morecambe Jack]

Out of interest, Freez, what supports your fact that Accrington have a bigger budget than us?

Their last filed account indicated a loss of £232k compared with our £575k loss. We obviously have a much larger non-football commercial side but if we presume that breaks even and isn't loss making, assume we get equal FL money, and the main expense is football wages - how can we possibly have a smaller budget but make a bigger loss?

Perhaps the May 17 accounts will show a completely different picture.

[Freez]

Just talk to an ex board member or current board member, they'll tell you what I have. I don't have access to the figures, but they do.
I did try and reply with a long and detailed post, but for some reason it wouldn't post!! DOH?

[BerlinWaller]

My point regarding Acci's playing budget is that they are unable to cherry pick footballers from higher divisions or pull the best talent out of non league like Pompey or Luton have. If they were doing this then I agree, it would be unfair to compare the clubs. They are still signing cast offs and players who have failed elsewhere.

[Phoenix Shrimp 2017]

I don't think this should descend to a Morecambe V Accrington debate. Coley has been a perfect match for them over the years, NW Counties to the brink of Division 1 with a very small club is nothing short of miraculous. I've no doubt he would have been a perfect fit for us also, but it never happened and lets face it as much as he has professed his love for us over the years it ain't going to happen now. We have to face the future, as uncertain as that maybe, for none of us really know what's going to unfold in the near future never mind the long term. If we did descend back to non league would it be a total disaster? My first 30 years watching the club were in non league and we had some great times. I think overall I enjoyed it much more than the drudgery that league football has become. The only redeeming factor has been the league cup where we've had some great nights that have been truly inspiring. Is Jim the man to lead us forward to better times? With a heavy heart I have to say no.Great, great player and on pitch leader in his day but hasn't quite cut the mustard as a manager and is certainly not in Coleys' league, but then again not many at this level are.

[Posh]

The big difference between us and Stanley is that they’re still a small club with wrinkly tin, small dressing rooms and bits of tinpottery but they keep tweaking and improving it. Whereas we decided to dump all that and try become all corporate with £22 wild boar steaks, an airport lounge for a fan’s bar, over £1 million spent on executive boxes that now sit empty and dressing rooms the opposition love coming to rather than hate like they did at Christie. They have a them spirit whereas we’ve had us and them for 8 years now. We do have directors who sort of understand this problem but they neither own it nor are the chairman. We sold our soul for the soulless, and we’ve been paying for it ever since. The day we finally get an owner and chairman who actually gives a shit about the town and the real fans we might start to get progress on the field too. Getting rid of Jim changes none of that.

[black morse]

[quote="Phoenix Shrimp 2017"]I don't think this should descend to a Morecambe V Accrington debate. Coley has been a perfect match for them over the years, NW Counties to the brink of Division 1 with a very small club is nothing short of miraculous. I've no doubt he would have been a perfect fit for us also, but it never happened and lets face it as much as he has professed his love for us over the years it ain't going to happen now. We have to face the future, as uncertain as that maybe, for none of us really know what's going to unfold in the near future never mind the long term. If we did descend back to non league would it be a total disaster? My first 30 years watching the club were in non league and we had some great times. I think overall I enjoyed it much more than the drudgery that league football has become. The only redeeming factor has been the league cup where we've had some great nights that have been truly inspiring. Is Jim the man to lead us forward to better times? With a heavy heart I have to say no.Great, great player and on pitch leader in his day but hasn't quite cut the mustard as a manager and is certainly not in Coleys' league, but then again not many at this level are.[/quote]

Exactly!
Totally agree with all this.

[HALMA 1983]

The big difference between us and Stanley is that they’re still a small club with wrinkly tin, small dressing rooms and bits of tinpottery but they keep tweaking and improving it. Whereas we decided to dump all that and try become all corporate with £22 wild boar steaks, an airport lounge for a fan’s bar, over £1 million spent on executive boxes that now sit empty and dressing rooms the opposition love coming to rather than hate like they did at Christie. They have a them spirit whereas we’ve had us and them for 8 years now. We do have directors who sort of understand this problem but they neither own it nor are the chairman. We sold our soul for the soulless, and we’ve been paying for it ever since. The day we finally get an owner and chairman who actually gives a shit about the town and the real fans we might start to get progress on the field too. Getting rid of Jim changes none of that.

ALL of this a hundred times over! would have hated using that away dressing room. I both cleaned and painted it numerous times over
It was bloody awful and perfect for Big timers more used to the finer trappings of wealth

[Seasider9601]

The big difference between us and Stanley is that they’re still a small club with wrinkly tin, small dressing rooms and bits of tinpottery but they keep tweaking and improving it. Whereas we decided to dump all that and try become all corporate with £22 wild boar steaks, an airport lounge for a fan’s bar, over £1 million spent on executive boxes that now sit empty and dressing rooms the opposition love coming to rather than hate like they did at Christie. They have a them spirit whereas we’ve had us and them for 8 years now. We do have directors who sort of understand this problem but they neither own it nor are the chairman. We sold our soul for the soulless, and we’ve been paying for it ever since. The day we finally get an owner and chairman who actually gives a shit about the town and the real fans we might start to get progress on the field too. Getting rid of Jim changes none of that.

Perfect.

Best thing I've read on here for ages.

[mrpotatohead]

Posh is spot on, unfortunately such a chairman is not on the horizon, I personally think PMG is totally to blame for the sad demise of our town team, making all major decisions regarding our IKEA type ''home'', creating our very uncertain future, for his own personal reasons, his got us up a level or two but so what?

Nobody can really say ,hand on heart , ''I love the globe arena , and I think the shrimps have a rosy future''.

we face years of uncertainty at best, and extinction at worst .

[KenH]

Their last filed account indicated a loss of £232k compared with our £575k loss. We obviously have a much larger non-football commercial side but if we presume that breaks even and isn't loss making, assume we get equal FL money, and the main expense is football wages - how can we possibly have a smaller budget but make a bigger loss?

Given Accrington's "turnover", i.e. sales is virtually the same as ours, on slightly lower attendances, it tends to suggest that our commercial side isn't "much larger" at all, and could well be loss making. Our bigger loss could well be down to the hospitality not breaking even and maybe even making a loss.